I actually wish Redstone would have spoiled this for me like he did the season 3 finale of Lost that way I wouldn't have watched it.
***Man in the High Castle- Final Season*** SPOILER ALERT
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Such an interesting series and season 5 was excellent, well except the ridiculous ending.tv1113 said:
I can overlook his character arc issues, but good lord that portal scene made no sense whatsoever. Everyone just walking through like no big deal to walk through a portal to another world.
The portal scene was so bizarre.
I don't get the ending at all.
That season could have been two seasons and been just as fast paced and riveting. They definitely rushed it. Got tired of writing for it and just gave up. Big FU to the fans. I hope everyone who had a part in writing / directing / producing the final season ends up wearing that like a scarlet letter. Absolutely pathetic attempt to wrap up an amazing show.
This is an actual quote from the final season show runner I pulled from an entertainment weekly article discussing the final season.
The people making decisions for this show are completely unhinged. Why does every show or movie now have to be some sort of indictment on current political climate? Here I was, enjoying the hell out of one my favorite shows, praising them along the way for how they meticulously handled a very difficult source material.. and there they go, interjecting their political fantasies and propaganda.
Quote:
"Each one of these characters has a very specific story that we're telling but, given where we are in 2019 and the shape of the politics of the country, the world has changed under the feet of the producers since this show premiered," he says. MITHC first debuted on Amazon at a time when Donald Trump was just announcing his candidacy for president. Then came President Donald Trump, then came Charlottesville, then came immigrant children in cages at detention centers. "The idea of Nazism in America was a purely fanciful one. It was pure alt-history," Scarpa continues. "Over the course of the next four years, we've seen that become a much more uncomfortable, plausible reality."
The people making decisions for this show are completely unhinged. Why does every show or movie now have to be some sort of indictment on current political climate? Here I was, enjoying the hell out of one my favorite shows, praising them along the way for how they meticulously handled a very difficult source material.. and there they go, interjecting their political fantasies and propaganda.
That's exactly how I felt about it.mazag08 said:
That season could have been two seasons and been just as fast paced and riveting. They definitely rushed it. Got tired of writing for it and just gave up. Big FU to the fans. I hope everyone who had a part in writing / directing / producing the final season ends up wearing that like a scarlet letter. Absolutely pathetic attempt to wrap up an amazing show.
The fact that they did an Orange Man Bad is why most people in this country think that Hollywood is filled with a bunch of idiots.
mazag08 said:
This is an actual quote from the final season show runner I pulled from an entertainment weekly article discussing the final season.Quote:
"Each one of these characters has a very specific story that we're telling but, given where we are in 2019 and the shape of the politics of the country, the world has changed under the feet of the producers since this show premiered," he says. MITHC first debuted on Amazon at a time when Donald Trump was just announcing his candidacy for president. Then came President Donald Trump, then came Charlottesville, then came immigrant children in cages at detention centers. "The idea of Nazism in America was a purely fanciful one. It was pure alt-history," Scarpa continues. "Over the course of the next four years, we've seen that become a much more uncomfortable, plausible reality."
The people making decisions for this show are completely unhinged. Why does every show or movie now have to be some sort of indictment on current political climate? Here I was, enjoying the hell out of one my favorite shows, praising them along the way for how they meticulously handled a very difficult source material.. and there they go, interjecting their political fantasies and propaganda.
Naw man, you're just being a right wing snowflake nut job. You're a fool to point out hamfisted moralizing from Hollywood painting the people of this country largely as a bigoted and primitive caricature.
I felt bad for the BCM lady that wanted a nice house for once but her boyfriend would rather bunk 10 comrades in the master bedroom.
Bregxit said:I felt a bit of irony was in that scene. Her goals and end vision was to try to make a better life for their people. His vision put them back in the same/similar living conditions (minus the slave part, maybe, because communist dictators) from slave days with multiple families living in single rooms.Canyon99 said:
I felt bad for the BCM lady that wanted a nice house for once but her boyfriend would rather bunk 10 comrades in the master bedroom.
Socialism, where everyone is equally poor.
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"Each one of these characters has a very specific story that we're telling but, given where we are in 2019 and the shape of the politics of the country, the world has changed under the feet of the producers since this show premiered," he says. MITHC first debuted on Amazon at a time when Donald Trump was just announcing his candidacy for president. Then came President Donald Trump, then came Charlottesville, then came immigrant children in cages at detention centers. "The idea of Nazism in America was a purely fanciful one. It was pure alt-history," Scarpa continues. "Over the course of the next four years, we've seen that become a much more uncomfortable, plausible reality."
Oh the irony.
This is a series that literally showed the Nazi's trying to erase history by tearing down monuments and starting over at year zero. Gee, where have we seen that recently...
mazag08 said:
This is an actual quote from the final season show runner I pulled from an entertainment weekly article discussing the final season.Quote:
"Each one of these characters has a very specific story that we're telling but, given where we are in 2019 and the shape of the politics of the country, the world has changed under the feet of the producers since this show premiered," he says. MITHC first debuted on Amazon at a time when Donald Trump was just announcing his candidacy for president. Then came President Donald Trump, then came Charlottesville, then came immigrant children in cages at detention centers. "The idea of Nazism in America was a purely fanciful one. It was pure alt-history," Scarpa continues. "Over the course of the next four years, we've seen that become a much more uncomfortable, plausible reality."
Jesus fkn Christ
Just finished... absolutely loved this show, but I'm with all of you. I just didn't understand the final scene.
The ending wasn't great, but I haven't seen anyone commenting on the end of episode 9. That was one of the most badass and jaw dropping scenes I've seen in quite a while. Didn't see that coming at all.
And I'm fine with John Smith's end... I was completely guessing up until the end whether he would redeem himself or not. Part of me thought he'd end up in our reality raising his son, and another part thought he would go full evil. Either way, Rufus Sewell was fantastic and John Smith is one of the best characters in the last few years. Absolutely phenomenal.
The ending wasn't great, but I haven't seen anyone commenting on the end of episode 9. That was one of the most badass and jaw dropping scenes I've seen in quite a while. Didn't see that coming at all.
And I'm fine with John Smith's end... I was completely guessing up until the end whether he would redeem himself or not. Part of me thought he'd end up in our reality raising his son, and another part thought he would go full evil. Either way, Rufus Sewell was fantastic and John Smith is one of the best characters in the last few years. Absolutely phenomenal.
Agreed. The season was fantastic and John was the easiest villain to root for.
Sex Panther said:
The ending wasn't great, but I haven't seen anyone commenting on the end of episode 9. That was one of the most badass and jaw dropping scenes I've seen in quite a while. Didn't see that coming at all.
Right before he left Himmler's office, he kind of paused before opening the door so i was thinking whoa now what, how does he deal with what just happened? And when the doors opened and i saw...i literally stood up off the couch saying "wtf? Wtf?" And rewound it and watched it again. Best scene I've seen for anything on tv in years.
Just finished it a couple of nights ago. It was a great series and the perfect number of seasons.
Agree, the end of episode 9 was brilliant. "I saved Hoover for you". Epic!
I really did not get the ending either (why would anyone want to come to that world?) and was hoping for something a little more dramatic. Like our reality's US Marines coming through the portal with Thomas as a point man, who then caps his alt world reality Nazi father. It would bring everything full circle...because of the Reich's policies on "undesirables" that John Smith supports going full scale with the concentration camps, the Thomas of our world is able to enter to their world, leading to John's demise and the prevention of more atrocities.
The villains in the show were fantastically portrayed and humanized, both easy to root for and hate at the same time. I did not know whether I wanted Kido to get gassed or to escape.
Agree, the end of episode 9 was brilliant. "I saved Hoover for you". Epic!
I really did not get the ending either (why would anyone want to come to that world?) and was hoping for something a little more dramatic. Like our reality's US Marines coming through the portal with Thomas as a point man, who then caps his alt world reality Nazi father. It would bring everything full circle...because of the Reich's policies on "undesirables" that John Smith supports going full scale with the concentration camps, the Thomas of our world is able to enter to their world, leading to John's demise and the prevention of more atrocities.
The villains in the show were fantastically portrayed and humanized, both easy to root for and hate at the same time. I did not know whether I wanted Kido to get gassed or to escape.
Same here, but it started when killed Himmler. I was thinking "No way are they going to let him get gunned down before the final episode".superunknown said:Sex Panther said:
The ending wasn't great, but I haven't seen anyone commenting on the end of episode 9. That was one of the most badass and jaw dropping scenes I've seen in quite a while. Didn't see that coming at all.
Right before he left Himmler's office, he kind of paused before opening the door so i was thinking whoa now what, how does he deal with what just happened? And when the doors opened and i saw...i literally stood up off the couch saying "wtf? Wtf?" And rewound it and watched it again. Best scene I've seen for anything on tv in years.
The zyklon canister close up was a !!! moment and i didnt realize he set Himmler up until just then. I figured Smith saw a coughing fit and took advantage of it.
Also, Smith cleaning that knife he plunged into Hoover WITH HOOVER'S OWN HANDKERCHIEF was one of the most baller things I've ever seen.
Also, Smith cleaning that knife he plunged into Hoover WITH HOOVER'S OWN HANDKERCHIEF was one of the most baller things I've ever seen.
Kido..
Damn..
I just remembered how terribly they botched the final season for his arc.
Damn..
I just remembered how terribly they botched the final season for his arc.
I was hoping that if Smith died it would have been on the train crash.
Him in Berlin was amazing tv, and it created a huge let down for me in episode 10. With how episode 9 ended I almost would have preferred that Smith won in the end rather than the ending we got.
I lost my **** when Smith killed Himmler, then opened the door to see the murdered SS officers. It felt dirty rooting for a Nazi, but that's what made his character so great. To me was the epitome of "just doing my duty" thing that Nazis in real life used to justify carrying out Hitler's orders to rise to the top.
Him in Berlin was amazing tv, and it created a huge let down for me in episode 10. With how episode 9 ended I almost would have preferred that Smith won in the end rather than the ending we got.
I lost my **** when Smith killed Himmler, then opened the door to see the murdered SS officers. It felt dirty rooting for a Nazi, but that's what made his character so great. To me was the epitome of "just doing my duty" thing that Nazis in real life used to justify carrying out Hitler's orders to rise to the top.
Finally watched ep10.
My thoughts...
Helen was the absolute star of the show. John's duality at the end was striking. Yes he was going to "liberate" the western states in traditional Nazi fashion but i think it was all driven by his drive to reunite with Thomas, like either he didnt care about the soon to be atrocities or went along with it because he saw it all as a means to an end for Thomas. When Helen died he saw everything was going to end badly and he killed himself because he couldn't get Thomas back to her. Her speech to him about how they failed with all 3 kids absolutely annihilated him.
When Bill took off the iron cross/Nazi medallion thing and demanded to get Strategic Air Command on the phone...i fist pumped and stood up off the couch...seeing the planes veer off as the BCR braced for the bombing was chilling and very cool.
The ending...the actual ending with the randos coming out of the portal...i mean wtf. Almost feel like the writers felt the portal was definitely Chekhov's gun at that point. Maybe they wanted a happy, victorious scene like the alien ships coming down all over the world in "Independence Day". Whatever it was...very underwhelming and i kind of didnt even care. Really, the best part was Abendsen lurching towards the light and going against the flow. I'm sure he was off in search of his wife but in his character arc..well damn, that's what he does. He is a natural contrarian in the prime MITHC universe. What did you expect him to do? I freaking love Stephen Root.
Overall for the season...the BCR thread was interesting enough. I think they needed a way to escort Japan out of the storyline without having a confrontation with the Nazis. I think i enjoyed the BCR as a late add to the show way more than i would have enjoyed more of Ed and Bobby's Traveling Roadshow, so while I'm sure lots of people cared about Childan, i am glad his role in season 4 was limited. Much like Juliana, his character in season 4 just seemed to be a conduit to move the story along.
I too wish we could have gotten more Tagomi in season 4...was Juliana finding that rune whatever that made her flash back to the i ching the writer's way to try and give Tagomi's story some sort of nod or closure? I also am kinda interested in a spinoff show of Kido's Yakuza adventures. His story wrapped up kind of abruptly too.
I don't want to keep harping on the ending, but without another season or 2 to fill out some plotholes, what would a good ending even be? There were far too many directions to go, and I'm not sure you can tie up all the loose ends...so maybe we're all just basically wandering out of the portal and wondering wtf just happened.
My thoughts...
Helen was the absolute star of the show. John's duality at the end was striking. Yes he was going to "liberate" the western states in traditional Nazi fashion but i think it was all driven by his drive to reunite with Thomas, like either he didnt care about the soon to be atrocities or went along with it because he saw it all as a means to an end for Thomas. When Helen died he saw everything was going to end badly and he killed himself because he couldn't get Thomas back to her. Her speech to him about how they failed with all 3 kids absolutely annihilated him.
When Bill took off the iron cross/Nazi medallion thing and demanded to get Strategic Air Command on the phone...i fist pumped and stood up off the couch...seeing the planes veer off as the BCR braced for the bombing was chilling and very cool.
The ending...the actual ending with the randos coming out of the portal...i mean wtf. Almost feel like the writers felt the portal was definitely Chekhov's gun at that point. Maybe they wanted a happy, victorious scene like the alien ships coming down all over the world in "Independence Day". Whatever it was...very underwhelming and i kind of didnt even care. Really, the best part was Abendsen lurching towards the light and going against the flow. I'm sure he was off in search of his wife but in his character arc..well damn, that's what he does. He is a natural contrarian in the prime MITHC universe. What did you expect him to do? I freaking love Stephen Root.
Overall for the season...the BCR thread was interesting enough. I think they needed a way to escort Japan out of the storyline without having a confrontation with the Nazis. I think i enjoyed the BCR as a late add to the show way more than i would have enjoyed more of Ed and Bobby's Traveling Roadshow, so while I'm sure lots of people cared about Childan, i am glad his role in season 4 was limited. Much like Juliana, his character in season 4 just seemed to be a conduit to move the story along.
I too wish we could have gotten more Tagomi in season 4...was Juliana finding that rune whatever that made her flash back to the i ching the writer's way to try and give Tagomi's story some sort of nod or closure? I also am kinda interested in a spinoff show of Kido's Yakuza adventures. His story wrapped up kind of abruptly too.
I don't want to keep harping on the ending, but without another season or 2 to fill out some plotholes, what would a good ending even be? There were far too many directions to go, and I'm not sure you can tie up all the loose ends...so maybe we're all just basically wandering out of the portal and wondering wtf just happened.
Well the last season (EP 9 especially) was fantastic. Of course nobody understands the weird portal thing at the end so that was a bit of a bummer.
Joel De La Fuente (Kito) was nails. Completely dominated every scene he was in.
BCR coming out of nowhere to boot the Japanese with relative ease this season was a big stretch to me, especially after all the struggles Frank and friends, an entirely different group, had with them.
I just finished this and came looking for an explanation for the horrible ending to what was a really good show.
After reading the unhinged leftist post from the show runner someone posted above, I'm thinking that the portal was supposed to be a stand-in for the US border wall and now "everyone is coming" after the fascist leader dies. It fits the politics of the show runner a lot better than it fits the show.
There were several other plot points that showed some of those same tendencies, but the ending was by far the worst, because, you know, it's the ending. Lots of strange decisions in that last episode as well as the final season beyond just the final scene.
After reading the unhinged leftist post from the show runner someone posted above, I'm thinking that the portal was supposed to be a stand-in for the US border wall and now "everyone is coming" after the fascist leader dies. It fits the politics of the show runner a lot better than it fits the show.
There were several other plot points that showed some of those same tendencies, but the ending was by far the worst, because, you know, it's the ending. Lots of strange decisions in that last episode as well as the final season beyond just the final scene.
Just finished the series. Loved pretty much every minute of it for various reasons.
John Smith character is simply awesome. As was Tagomi and Kido, too.
To me the ambiguity with the ending scene could simply be a result of the vast # of different portals that existed. IF you remember the shiny portal replica room, there were countless other worlds so this leaves it open to wide interpretation. The folks walking through may not be from the Allies win the war world, but could be from any of hundreds of others (and for various reasons).
Would have liked the final season to go 12 episodes or something in order to better wrap things up as I agree much of it seemed sudden. And disappointed that DJ Qualls and Tagomi weren't in the final season. Contract dispute?
The BCR is a storyline that they could have easily sprinkled in during seasons 1 - 3 in order to set things up better b/c that really kind of came out of nowhere and is probably a result of the show producers political tendencies which is disappointing. Also, Johns General buddy seemed to come out of nowhere this season, too. He was nowhere and then all of a sudden was Smith's #2? OR did I miss something.
One thing I wondered about is when John tries to get Helen to go through the portal to see Thomas. What was his plan exactly for HOW to get here there since her alternate self would have had to be dead like his alternate self dying allowed him in?
John Smith character is simply awesome. As was Tagomi and Kido, too.
To me the ambiguity with the ending scene could simply be a result of the vast # of different portals that existed. IF you remember the shiny portal replica room, there were countless other worlds so this leaves it open to wide interpretation. The folks walking through may not be from the Allies win the war world, but could be from any of hundreds of others (and for various reasons).
Would have liked the final season to go 12 episodes or something in order to better wrap things up as I agree much of it seemed sudden. And disappointed that DJ Qualls and Tagomi weren't in the final season. Contract dispute?
The BCR is a storyline that they could have easily sprinkled in during seasons 1 - 3 in order to set things up better b/c that really kind of came out of nowhere and is probably a result of the show producers political tendencies which is disappointing. Also, Johns General buddy seemed to come out of nowhere this season, too. He was nowhere and then all of a sudden was Smith's #2? OR did I miss something.
One thing I wondered about is when John tries to get Helen to go through the portal to see Thomas. What was his plan exactly for HOW to get here there since her alternate self would have had to be dead like his alternate self dying allowed him in?
I finished it about the exact same time as you. Other than saying wtf when it went to black, amazing end.
Finished it about 2 am this morning. The John Smith story arc ended perfectly. I really feel bad for the Allies Win Helen. Her son abruptly left for Vietnam and her "husband" said he'd be back but he never will. She's the big loser in all this.
Side note, this could be a fantastic premise for a series without any of the sci fi.
The season wasn't bad, but the last couple episodes felt like a spring to the finish line. The whole season would have been about 3 seasons if they hadn't made up their mind to call it quits. It was rushed and it suffered because of it.
Totally agree. Odd they rushed it so much.
Bump for youbet
No ***** Finally watched this series and finished up last night.Sex Panther said:mazag08 said:
This is an actual quote from the final season show runner I pulled from an entertainment weekly article discussing the final season.Quote:
"Each one of these characters has a very specific story that we're telling but, given where we are in 2019 and the shape of the politics of the country, the world has changed under the feet of the producers since this show premiered," he says. MITHC first debuted on Amazon at a time when Donald Trump was just announcing his candidacy for president. Then came President Donald Trump, then came Charlottesville, then came immigrant children in cages at detention centers. "The idea of Nazism in America was a purely fanciful one. It was pure alt-history," Scarpa continues. "Over the course of the next four years, we've seen that become a much more uncomfortable, plausible reality."
Jesus fkn Christ
WTF
GoT treatment for sure. I was mad but reading that excerpt just pisses me off more. Really wished I had read this thread beforehand. I truly wish I had just never watched this whole series in the first place.
ETA: edited for some language. I was upset after that finale.
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