If I remember and understand correctly, I think this was one of the safety features of the Chernobyl reactor. Residual steam would provide power during a shutdown for the ~45 seconds it took the diesel generators to come online and reach full power. But they found in practice that it didn't really work properly and provide enough power, and that was one of the reasons they were testing it when it exploded.Shelton98 said:dlance said:Yes, General Electric. ***ushima is just another example of ignoring safety warnings. The ***ushima reactors went into automatic shutdown due to the earthquake as designed. The problem was the emergency power generators running the pumps to cool the decay heat were destroyed by the tsunami. TEPCO was warned about this vulnerability 20 years prior to the accident and ignored it.Joseph Parrish said:I believe ***ushima was a US design.cbr said:
I believe us reactors are all 'fail safe' designs - if you do nothing it shuts down instead of melting down or blowing up.
Seems like turbine driven back up pumps might have worked better in that particular situation.
HBO's Chernobyl Mini-series drops next week.
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That is correct
The earthquake talks reminded me of san onofre in san clemente right ocean in california. Surfed near here a couple times and though not in operation...they have started transferring nuclear waste...
https://www.kusi.com/san-onofre-nuclear-power-plant-can-resume-transfers-of-nuclear-waste/
https://www.kusi.com/san-onofre-nuclear-power-plant-can-resume-transfers-of-nuclear-waste/
So is this why both (sorry can't remember names for ****) of the scientists got a "oh ****" look when they found out they they had pressed the shut-down right before the explosion? Is it because they are realizing that there is a huge system flaw? I couldn't really sort that one out.double aught said:If I remember and understand correctly, I think this was one of the safety features of the Chernobyl reactor. Residual steam would provide power during a shutdown for the ~45 seconds it took the diesel generators to come online and reach full power. But they found in practice that it didn't really work properly and provide enough power, and that was one of the reasons they were testing it when it exploded.Shelton98 said:dlance said:Yes, General Electric. ***ushima is just another example of ignoring safety warnings. The ***ushima reactors went into automatic shutdown due to the earthquake as designed. The problem was the emergency power generators running the pumps to cool the decay heat were destroyed by the tsunami. TEPCO was warned about this vulnerability 20 years prior to the accident and ignored it.Joseph Parrish said:I believe ***ushima was a US design.cbr said:
I believe us reactors are all 'fail safe' designs - if you do nothing it shuts down instead of melting down or blowing up.
Seems like turbine driven back up pumps might have worked better in that particular situation.
At that point they had no idea what made it explode
in the podcast mazin hints that there was a glimmer of recognition from legasov that this might come back to bite him.gomerschlep said:So is this why both (sorry can't remember names for ****) of the scientists got a "oh ****" look when they found out they they had pressed the shut-down right before the explosion? Is it because they are realizing that there is a huge system flaw? I couldn't really sort that one out.double aught said:If I remember and understand correctly, I think this was one of the safety features of the Chernobyl reactor. Residual steam would provide power during a shutdown for the ~45 seconds it took the diesel generators to come online and reach full power. But they found in practice that it didn't really work properly and provide enough power, and that was one of the reasons they were testing it when it exploded.Shelton98 said:dlance said:Yes, General Electric. ***ushima is just another example of ignoring safety warnings. The ***ushima reactors went into automatic shutdown due to the earthquake as designed. The problem was the emergency power generators running the pumps to cool the decay heat were destroyed by the tsunami. TEPCO was warned about this vulnerability 20 years prior to the accident and ignored it.Joseph Parrish said:I believe ***ushima was a US design.cbr said:
I believe us reactors are all 'fail safe' designs - if you do nothing it shuts down instead of melting down or blowing up.
Seems like turbine driven back up pumps might have worked better in that particular situation.
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After 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl, growing up I swore we were all going to get radiated at some point.
The interesting thing is just how little of an issue Three Mile Island was compared to its repercussions.
Muy said:
After 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl, growing up I swore we were all going to get radiated at some point.
Well, you aren't wrong.
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this show is full of amazing and disturbing visuals.
i wish i had time to go and screen grab in episode 2 when pikalov returns from getting the readings by driving up next to the reactor in the truck. they're hosing him and the truck off and he's looking back at legasov and shcherbina while wearing the all white radiation suit. so damn haunting and post-apocalyptic.
i wish i had time to go and screen grab in episode 2 when pikalov returns from getting the readings by driving up next to the reactor in the truck. they're hosing him and the truck off and he's looking back at legasov and shcherbina while wearing the all white radiation suit. so damn haunting and post-apocalyptic.
fascinating how the books describe their practical observations about radiation.ruddyduck said:
this show is full of amazing and disturbing visuals.
i wish i had time to go and screen grab in episode 2 when pikalov returns from getting the readings by driving up next to the reactor in the truck. they're hosing him and the truck off and he's looking back at legasov and shcherbina while wearing the all white radiation suit. so damn haunting and post-apocalyptic.
the cherenkov blue light - that's freaking scary looking in a working reactor.... not to mention shooting straight into the sky when the thing blows up.
smelling ozone, numb teeth, sparklies in your eyes, dry mouth being the only real indicators of massive dosages while its happening. the invisible nature of it is just the scariest part.
the semi random seeming effects - certain isotopes binding in certain organs, is fascinating. if you can load your organs up with non-radioactive iodine and some other minerals, and wear goggles and a filter mask, you can really avoid the most hazardous effects.
apparently, inebriation significantly helps gamma exposure, several of the firemen were ****faced when they showed up to work and made full recoveries. not really sure how that works.
the propensity of some particles to embed in skin, clothes, even asphalt, versus others that just float away.
all very interesting, and not intuitive at all unless you are a serious chemist/phsyicist.
It's also fascinating that there's stuff that happened after the explosion that they still can't really explain. They have some theories, but because it's only happened this particular way once in human history they don't know for sure.
Can you give some examples? I have been trying to read everything I can since I started watching this show to educate myself more on the event. If someone had asked me before this show what happened at Cherynobl, i basically only knew that it blew up and was abandoned.
frog_killer said:
Can you give some examples? I have been trying to read everything I can since I started watching this show to educate myself more on the event. If someone had asked me before this show what happened at Cherynobl, i basically only knew that it blew up and was abandoned.
For example, there was a second explosion shortly after the first explosion destroyed the reactor. There are conflicting theories whether this was a hydrogen explosion, a criticality event, etc.
Wow. Very strong cold opening scene to set the tone.
Pretty dark episode this week.
Damn
Hug your dogs
That scene with the dog was harder to watch than the humans radiation sickness last week.
It's hard to imagine a more soul crushing job. Poor Pavel.
aTmAg said:
Hug your dogs
Mine was whining so I put him in his kennel before the episode. As soon as they started hunting the dogs I got him out and curled up with him on the couch.
As far as the plant in Matagorda and it's prep for Harvey, the plant ran through it with its storm crew. That facility is designed to still be safe with the entire site under 15' of water from a dam failure. Below is an article that even has positive comments about their prep from the Union of Concerned Scientists who are usually anti nuke.
https://www.tpr.org/post/how-did-south-texas-project-nuclear-power-plant-weather-harvey
https://www.tpr.org/post/how-did-south-texas-project-nuclear-power-plant-weather-harvey
I don't know about anyone else, but I have no idea how they can wrap this all up in one more episode. The trial will take a while, but many people will want to have the after-story (what happened to the characters, what happened next at the site, how did the disintegration of the Soviet Union affect it, etc.) and be brought up to present day. It has been a great series so far, but they have a tall task in front of them for next week!
This was one of those episodes where I was like "Worst job ever!", then they'd get to the next one and I was like, "Wait, nevermind on that last one, THIS is the worst job ever!"
The scene with the puppies got me
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Door to door
The bravery of the men that went out on those roofs is incredible. I would probably rather take the bullet than go out there and die horribly over 3 or 4 weeks.
I bleed maroon said:
I don't know about anyone else, but I have no idea how they can wrap this all up in one more episode. The trial will take a while, but many people will want to have the after-story (what happened to the characters, what happened next at the site, how did the disintegration of the Soviet Union affect it, etc.) and be brought up to present day. It has been a great series so far, but they have a tall task in front of them for next week!
They definitely have a lot to cover, but we know the shows main ending bc we started with it.
Definitely brave but their 90 second dosage was below ars threshold, much less death. Now, if they got stuck somehow... but iirc none of these workers died.bonfarr said:
The bravery of the men that went out on those roofs is incredible. I would probably rather take the bullet than go out there and die horribly over 3 or 4 weeks.
Here is what part is true and what part is dramatic license.
https://screenrant.com/chernobyl-hbo-true-story-characters-aftermath-explained/
Wow. Bleak. Dark. Compelling. One of a kind miniseries for sure.
https://screenrant.com/chernobyl-hbo-true-story-characters-aftermath-explained/
Wow. Bleak. Dark. Compelling. One of a kind miniseries for sure.
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However, unlike what happens in HBO's Chernobyl, Lyudmilla had gone into labor while visiting Vasily at the cemetery.
This is even more depressing than the show, I'm surprised they didn't show this...
Between this and Anatoly Sitnikov(go look at the core that's not there and get your face burned off because your bosses are in denial but also have absolute power over you),
I think these are the most tragic stories of the show. Lyudmilla was blinded by love and Anatoly died pointlessly(because they still denied what he saw with his own eyes, that being an exposed burning core
This has been a great series. For me, the hour flies by each episode. I'd say it's up there with season 1 of True Detective.
they have definitely garnered enough interest for a miniseries about the fall of USSR.I bleed maroon said:
I don't know about anyone else, but I have no idea how they can wrap this all up in one more episode. The trial will take a while, but many people will want to have the after-story (what happened to the characters, what happened next at the site, how did the disintegration of the Soviet Union affect it, etc.) and be brought up to present day. It has been a great series so far, but they have a tall task in front of them for next week!
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