So...basic Hollywood.bam02 said:
Cromwell is full-on Hollywood wacko ******bag.
If animal testing results in medical breakthroughs that benefit mankind, there is no debate.oragator said:
I think a debate about the ethical value of using highly functioning animals is a fair one to have. It is also fair to ask whether ethically it's right to breed dogs you know will get the disease. Especially when some are bred to be euthanized at six months old. But like everything else PETA does, they live in an all or nothing world, and it's why their voice doesn't carry further.
If you want a reasonably fair look at both sides of the argument, this article has that.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/17/texas-sick-dogs-dystrophy/40164425/
I think if it could, they wouldn't be using animals. It's not like these are blood thirsty mad scientists looking to torture animals. They're trying to find cures that will help benefit mankind, and often times animals. You simply have to perform real world tests in studying and developing many cures/treatments, so unless you want to use human guinea pigs...which is crazy, all we have is animals for now.double aught said:
Generally, I agree. But there is still room for debate. "Can this research be accomplished via alternate means?" seems to be one of the more obvious questions.
I thought that debate had been settled years ago.Boo Weekley said:I think if it could, they wouldn't be using animals. It's not like these are blood thirsty mad scientists looking to torture animals. They're trying to find cures that will help benefit mankind, and often times animals. You simply have to perform real world tests in studying and developing many cures/treatments, so unless you want to use human guinea pigs...which is crazy, all we have is animals for now.double aught said:
Generally, I agree. But there is still room for debate. "Can this research be accomplished via alternate means?" seems to be one of the more obvious questions.
Trust me, it doesn't give anyone the warm fuzzies.
That's not a debate, that's a question with answers.double aught said:
Generally, I agree. But there is still room for debate. "Can this research be accomplished via alternate means?" seems to be one of the more obvious questions.
spanky said:
So do any of you folks know what it takes to do animal research at A&M? I think that is where A&M has failed in all of this. They had a great chance to detail the research approval process, and imho, they left a researcher that they recruited to A&M out to dry. To get to use any higher order animal model, you have to justify that the model chosen can't be replaced and get the same effects as a lower animal model. Also, why do people keep saying we should test in prisoners/humans? What do you think clinical trials are? We do test in humans as well.
If the research isn't carried out here in the U.S. humanely by folks that are indeed for the most part animal lovers, I guarantee you that it will happen somewhere else in a not so humane manner. Hopefully one day we won't need animal models, but until the the FDA says they aren't required, what is the point of the argument? You want no medical advances or care?
texasaggie04 said:spanky said:
So do any of you folks know what it takes to do animal research at A&M? I think that is where A&M has failed in all of this. They had a great chance to detail the research approval process, and imho, they left a researcher that they recruited to A&M out to dry. To get to use any higher order animal model, you have to justify that the model chosen can't be replaced and get the same effects as a lower animal model. Also, why do people keep saying we should test in prisoners/humans? What do you think clinical trials are? We do test in humans as well.
If the research isn't carried out here in the U.S. humanely by folks that are indeed for the most part animal lovers, I guarantee you that it will happen somewhere else in a not so humane manner. Hopefully one day we won't need animal models, but until the the FDA says they aren't required, what is the point of the argument? You want no medical advances or care?
A&M could share the IACUC forms for days but peta won't ever listen or consider it... It's a situation where everybody loses.
Unless this particular study is being conducted somewhere else, they're all part of the same facility....LARR...or at least they were in the late 90s when I worked there while going go school. I put in the sprinkler system out at the dog facility. My boss gave me a group of other student workers and told me to go rent some equipment at Home Depot and get it done. Fun summer.Duncan Idaho said:
Wait till they hear about the rat lab
