Think about our search for planets that can sustain life so far. I wouldn't say they are exactly vacation destinations; same thing in Interstellar. If you are looking to survive and only have so much time, 70% deadly component planet might actually be best case scenario.

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War of the worlds, all that advanced technology, and the aliens didn't know about bacteria??

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Kind of like in Signs - why would the aliens visit a planet that's covered in 70% of their greatest weakness?

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Alien home planet is dying and Earth is all they could find. If we were in the same situation, we wouldn't pass it up either.

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MSFC Aggie said:

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War of the worlds, all that advanced technology, and the aliens didn't know about bacteria??

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Kind of like in Signs - why would the aliens visit a planet that's covered in 70% of their greatest weakness?

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Alien home planet is dying and Earth is all they could find. If we were in the same situation, we wouldn't pass it up either.

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Granted, I have a familiarity bias, but knowing what insanity goes on down here, I would totally bypass Earth.

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MSFC Aggie said:

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War of the worlds, all that advanced technology, and the aliens didn't know about bacteria??

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Kind of like in Signs - why would the aliens visit a planet that's covered in 70% of their greatest weakness?

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Alien home planet is dying and Earth is all they could find. If we were in the same situation, we wouldn't pass it up either.

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Still you would think they would test out all the common elements found on the surface to see if any are harmful.

Seeing that H2O was fatal, they would probably put on suits or some type of protection. What if it started raining?

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War of the worlds, all that advanced technology, and the aliens didn't know about bacteria??

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The movie was simply following the plot set out in the H.G Well 1898 novel updated to modern times.

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War of the worlds, all that advanced technology, and the aliens didn't know about bacteria??

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Kind of like in Signs - why would the aliens visit a planet that's covered in 70% of their greatest weakness?

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If you've never encountered water, how would you know it would kill you?

I saw the water thing as an homage to War of the Worlds, something simple and everyday for us is the aliens undoing.

I have a complaint about people complaining about movies.

-That couldnt happen.
-Oh, really because it is a science fiction movie about an unknown alien entity terrorizing a crew.
-Still, it could never happen.
-GFY!

Heat, the whole "Slick" comment being the link to one of the robbers.

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Heat, the whole "Slick" comment being the link to one of the robbers.

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I'm probably in the minority here but for such a blockbuster and what's considered by many to be a near classic, that was an awfully forgettable movie for me.

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Heat, the whole "Slick" comment being the link to one of the robbers.

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I find that believable. I know a guy that calls every male they know "young man", regardless of their age. If there were a robbery suspect that was calling people "young man", he would be my first suspect.

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Heat, the whole "Slick" comment being the link to one of the robbers.

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I find that believable. I know a guy that calls every male they know "young man", regardless of their age. If there were a robbery suspect that was calling people "young man", he would be my first suspect.

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Yes, but would you refer to him as *young man" just because that's what he calls other people?

The scene in question.

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The scene in question.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=

NSFW language.

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I guess if I didnt know his name and I had to refer to him.... probably wouldn't but maybe.

Ok I have one. In the Netflix movie AMI (very low budget and terrible) the football players are wearing helmets and jerseys but no pads. That just irks me to no end and it's pretty funny to watch. But one of two things happened:

It was a foreign movie and they didn't know a lot about football; or

Their budget didn't allow for pads.

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Heat, the whole "Slick" comment being the link to one of the robbers.

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Agree. But at least they acknowledged it in a scene prior to the reveal with Tone Loc. He even mentioned running "Slick" through the database and how they'll get the phone book back.

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Heat, the whole "Slick" comment being the link to one of the robbers.

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I'm probably in the minority here but for such a blockbuster and what's considered by many to be a near classic, that was an awfully forgettable movie for me.

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Agreed. It needed an editor, severely.

The gunfight outside the bank downtown made that movie for me. Watching it for the first time on the big screen, is still the most in awe I've been at a gun battle in a movie.

Michael Mann movies almost always feature a few amazing scenes, but rarely hold up start to finish.

But when he is on his game (final scene of mohicans, about 2/3s of collateral, the gunfight in heat, etc) it is an immediate stop down if you're flipping channels.

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He isn't square at that point. He had the money to pay off KGB earlier, but KGB goaded him into putting it back on the table. So if Mike lost the last hand, he was out all of it and the deadline was that morning.

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So how did he turn $10,000 into $60,000?

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KGB reloaded after Mike busted him out. We didn't see a second reload, but it happened.

"Feel free to reload at any time"

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Gotcha. That's a major hole then.

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What I really love is that you started a thread about this several years ago... It was explained to you then, and you still don't get it.

Here

KGB keeps putting money into the game because he's got it. He reloads whenever he wants, but they don't show it because its not that important to the story.

Mike (after the game): Turned my 10 grand into just over 60. Paid 15 to Gramma. 6 went back to the Chesterfield. And as for Worm, well, I figure we're even. And after the 10 going back to the professor, I'm back where I started, with three stacks of high society.

He started with $10k and ended up with approximately $61k. $10k (Judge) + $15k (Gramma) + $6k (Chesterfield) + $30k (profit) = $61k

There is no hole except in your head. If at any time during the game, Mike goes busto, he's down to $0, not $20k. Technically, he would be back to -$15k with his debt.

The real question is what would they actually do if Mike busted. I guess KGB technically got $10k out of the deal via the game, but Mike isn't much good to them dead. My guess is they beat the crap out of him and stake him to make the money back.

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The gunfight outside the bank downtown made that movie for me. Watching it for the first time on the big screen, is still the most in awe I've been at a gun battle in a movie.

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Yes, it was one of the great action scenes ever.

The rest of the movie? Al Pacino's over-the-top Pacino-ness was almost comical. "GIVE ME ALL YOU GOT" "DON'T GO WASTING MY F'ING TIME" and the greatest "She's got a GREAT A$$, and you got your head ALL THE WAY UP IT!"

Then, the iconic and historic first ever scene with Pacino and De Niro together on screen, they almost ruin it trying to out-wop each other.

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And Pacino somehow shoots DeNiro in the end, despite being dead to rights...awful.

The ending of falling down

When Marty returns early to 1985, he watches himself leave from Lone Pine Mall, which confirms that Marty has returned to the altered timeline. The Marty he watches leave in the time machine grew up in the altered timeline with successful, wealthier parents in a happy household with different childhood memories and experiences. He is literally a different person. What happened to THAT Marty? I love BTTF dearly, but this has bugged me for 34 years.

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When Marty returns early to 1985, he watches himself leave from Lone Pine Mall, which confirms that Marty has returned to the altered timeline. The Marty he watches leave in the time machine grew up in the altered timeline with successful, wealthier parents in a happy household with different childhood memories and experiences. He is literally a different person. What happened to THAT Marty? I love BTTF dearly, but this has bugged me for 34 years.

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I think we will need an entirely new thread for time travel movie issues!

Basically any movie or tv show that tried to keep a caller on the line so they could "trace the call." Only problem is we know instantly where someone is calling from on a landline. It's a landline with a set phone number. There is no need figure out where they are calling from. We know based on the number.

Watching the Mummy last night on dvd. Why didn't the American dudes all just walk around with cats to protect since the Mummy was afraid of them?

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Not to mention Old Biff being able to return to the "original" 2015 after giving himself the almanac in 1955. He would have been taken to THAT future.

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there's a wishy-washy excuse for this. It is established by the photograph in the first movie that changes to the future are gradual. Marty's older brother and sister start to slowly fade away from the photo days before Marty does. One can then assume that things closer to the time of change (Marty's parents not getting together) are altered/fade away before things that are further away. Marty is the youngest, so he is the farthest away temporally from the change.

Biff giving himself the almanac in 1955 gives him a window of time to get back to the old 2015 before fading away.

Also, notice in BTTF2 that old Biff is in a lot of pain when he brings the delorean back. The extended scene in the DVD bonus features shows him hiding behind the trash can and fading out of existence.

Of course, BTTF3 shatters this theory, b/c Marty leaves 1885 and returns immediately to an altered 1985 where the ravine has changed from "Clayton Ravine," to "Eastwood Ravine." So named, b/c it is assumed by the 1885-ers that Clint Eastwood (Marty) dies when the train runs off the bridge. So in that instance, Marty travels immediately to an altered timeline, meaning old BTTF2 Biff should have returned to a changed 2015 as well.

Also throw in the fact that Jennifer was left in the "bad" 1985 on the porch swing for the entirety of BTTF2 and BTTF3, and Doc just says that the future will alter around her and she will be fine.

If we're going to chase the time paradox rabbit....

For storytelling sake I've found that the best way to look at time travel is that each traveller has their own personal timeline that is free from paradoxes. As time is based on perspective so it is for the traveller. For instance in the grandfather paradox you would still exist because for your personal timeline you'd still be alive because it was in your past, not the universe's(or collective timelines of all the other people's past that you changed). As such in the hypothetical grandfather paradox scenario you could return to the present after killing your grandfather but your family/friends wouldn't recognize you because you diverted the timeline for the perspectives of the people that knew you even though your own personal timeline remains the same as it happened in your past. So basically once we experience something it is permanent on the timeline from our perspective. So for the universe this would mean that there are infinite potential timelines but only one active timeline in said universe, which can change when the time traveller interferes and other's perspectives change. This even allows you to shift the timelines of your past self though that will be an entirely different person's perspective that lives in the universal timeline that you created.

Ironically they followed this in BTTF(might just be lazy time travel writing) as Marty still remember's his mom was overweight and his dad was a loser before the jump to the timeline where they were successful. Though it still does not explain why older Biff returned to 2015 as he should have jumped into the changed future and Marty's perspective should have changed.

Full disclosure I got this method of time travel explanation from my favorite show, Steins;Gate, an anime about time travel. It has a ton of references to other time travel shows like BTTF and Dr Who, they even call their time travel messages DeLorean Mail.

Also if anyone looking for the most technical time travel movie needs to checkout "Primer". Here's the flowchart if you've seen it:

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Michael Mann movies almost always feature a few amazing scenes, but rarely hold up start to finish.

But when he is on his game (final scene of mohicans, about 2/3s of collateral, the gunfight in heat, etc) it is an immediate stop down if you're flipping channels.

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i'm still pissed that he let Jamie Foxx ruin Miami Vice.

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expresswrittenconsent said:

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Michael Mann movies almost always feature a few amazing scenes, but rarely hold up start to finish.

But when he is on his game (final scene of mohicans, about 2/3s of collateral, the gunfight in heat, etc) it is an immediate stop down if you're flipping channels.

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i'm still pissed that he let Jamie Foxx ruin Miami Vice.

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I've got to admit that movie is a guilty pleasure of mine. I
Love it

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Basically any movie or tv show that tried to keep a caller on the line so they could "trace the call." Only problem is we know instantly where someone is calling from on a landline. It's a landline with a set phone number. There is no need figure out where they are calling from. We know based on the number.

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When I was a kid, caller id did not exist and tracing a call meant determining the phone number so you could locate the address. It took "X" minutes to decipher the number and then search the database for the address.