bobinator said:

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Yeah but any of his good ol' standby spells would have done the trick also.

I did say almost, I'm just pointing out that Harry goes against everyone's advice on multiple occasions and escapes through a combination of luck and Hermoine being one of the best witches of all time.

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He admits as much at least. If he was a cocky ****** about it, that would be different. But he says its mainly luck, his friends, and his wand acting of its own accord that has saved the day.

He does prove to be an advanced wizard though, even at a young age

-Flying skills
-Conjuring massive patronuses
-Surviving the triwizard tournament (yes he had help, but he still had to face a dragon and voldemort)
-Leadership of the DA. Not magical but still a great skill
-Using less than lethal means to incapacitate the bad guys. Thats hard to do when they are sending killing curses at you

Swarely said:

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Scott Pilgrim

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I'd lean more towards Ramona Flowers. In fact, they both kinda deserve each other.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Frodo.

Look, I get it. It took courage to even try to take the ring to Mordor. But he was just so whiny along the way. It's like he says in Two Towers, Frodo wouldn't have gotten far without Sam. He saves Frodo's ass time and time again, freaking throws Frodo over his shoulder and carries him up Mount Doom, only to see Frodo try to keep the ring.

Samwise is the most heroic character in that trilogy.

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The films sort of turned Frodo into a whiny *****.

Not that Sam isn't the hero of the story but Frodo is so much more proactive and bold in the books.

Seth Brundle

I think the case of Frodo and many other protagonists having faults and weaknesses is just part of the typical "hero's journey" story arc.

They don't start as heroes. They are normal people/beings with faults and weaknesses. They (often begrudgingly) answer a call, gain a mentor, go through challenges which expose them as being mortal/weak, overcome their faults to rise to the challenge, and come out better for it on the other side.

I don't think that makes them bad protagonists, just normal ones.

Walter White for sure. I started to root against him in the end. I know that that's part of the character, and not really a hot take, but it's interesting when you actively root against the main character of a series.

Trish Walker from seasons 2 and 3 of Jessica Jones is an interesting one. She kind of toes the line between protagonist and antagonist. In the end, she's definitely into antagonist territory. But even as a protagonist, they really botched her character in 2 and 3. She was super annoying.

Daenerys obviously became an antagonist, but I was pretty over her starting in season 4. The show really leaned into her whole destiny, and all the titles she had, and all that stuff. I found it to be very pompous. She earned some of those titles in seasons 1 and 3, but I didn't feel that she did a whole lot beyond that. Fireproof plot armor and a dragon really carried her to a lot of unfair success.

In S7 when she went to war with the Lannisters, I was kind of rooting for the Lannisters. That was probably a first, for the whole series.

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Jordan Belfort from Wolf of Wall Street. Overall scumbag and unlikable person, but I guess that's the point of the story.

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Is Jordan the anti-heroic protagonist or is he the antagonist playing a hero?

The guy is a people person that got caught up in the game. He knows it and does not shy away from it; I do appreciate his honesty and he's a completely different type of person now.

The Asian chick from that star wars film from 2 years ago

Batman
Gotham is the most crimeridden city ever and he doesn't truly make it safer. All of his enemies plans usually revolve around getting revenge on Batman.

I would argue that if Batman left Gotham.to live far out in the country, Gotham would be safer.

GrayMatter said:

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Jordan Belfort from Wolf of Wall Street. Overall scumbag and unlikable person, but I guess that's the point of the story.

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Is Jordan the anti-heroic protagonist or is he the antagonist playing a hero?

The guy is a people person that got caught up in the game. He knows it and does not shy away from it; I do appreciate his honesty and he's a completely different type of person now.

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He's not different. He's trash. He's already said he will probably make more from his current racket than he ever did scamming people. You think anyone he owes money will see any of that? He has a $9 million dollar home in California. That would piss me off if he owed me money.

Logan from Logan's Run. Spends his time hunting, killing runners and laughing about it. Turns 30, and runs. Hypocrite.

James Holden - The Expanse

Maybe he doesn't come off so unlikable in the books, but man he's a chode in the show. I'm pretty sure Amos is supposed to be the dick, but he's way cooler and more likable than Holden.

H.I.

Sex Panther said:

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James Holden - The Expanse

Maybe he doesn't come off so unlikable in the books, but man he's a chode in the show. I'm pretty sure Amos is supposed to be the dick, but he's way cooler and more likable than Holden.

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Holden in the books is just as self-righteous, but they have a lot more added episodic drama in the show (especially in the pre-amazon seasons) that adds to him being kind of miserable all the time.

In the books, it's a much better format to show how much of a physical beating all of them, but especially Holden, take trying to do what he thinks is the right thing. He hates playing the politics, so most of the other world leaders think he's an ahole.

In the books, Amos is pretty much a psychopath that recognizes how close he is to being a monster, so he chooses to follow people who won't allow him to be bad. First Naomi, and then Holden because of his unflinching moral code.

I don't think its a coincidence his name is Holden and he comes off as an angsty dbag

cr0wbar said:

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The Asian chick from that star wars film from 2 years ago

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Yes, Rose is terrible. I'd rather watch 2 hours of Jar Jar than another minute of that dumb b, she better die in the next movie