Hogties said:

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My question is, is he the messiah or the antichrist. The antichrist won't be Damien like. It is really high quality TV I think.

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Or a terrorist.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So what is the biggest question? (Unless it's a spoiler.)

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I think it's either, "Does it even matter if he is/isn't if the message is correct" and "Just how strong is your faith".

So many initial believers are quick to turn on him when things don't go the way they expect.

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Sounds normal.

Finished this season and I really enjoyed it. A lot. In fact I'm going to rewatch the finale again to see if I picked up on everything.

I have a friend who was a professional social engineer for the NSA and a lot of the things he talks about are being practiced. Very interesting stuff.

Duncan Idaho said:

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I just wanted to warn them....it isnt Trump PBUH but it could be enough to trigger some of the snowflakes

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As in, it makes a GOP'er out as something other than the next Hitler and will trigger the left? Or it makes the GOP'er out as the villain and will annoy the right? Genuinely curious.

I am guessing they make the GOP'er a villain because that has been the standard formula in Hollywood for decades. I am sure there have been a few exceptions.

Haven't watched it but if anything by the critics reviews it might have triggered the left this time and not the right.

Boo Weekley said:

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Duncan Idaho said:

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I just wanted to warn them....it isnt Trump PBUH but it could be enough to trigger some of the snowflakes

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As in, it makes a GOP'er out as something other than the next Hitler and will trigger the left? Or it makes the GOP'er out as the villain and will annoy the right? Genuinely curious.

I am guessing they make the GOP'er a villain because that has been the standard formula in Hollywood for decades. I am sure there have been a few exceptions.

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You guessed wrong. Womp womp womp.

This isn't really a spoiler.

Hogties said:

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Finished this season and I really enjoyed it. A lot. In fact I'm going to rewatch the finale again to see if I picked up on everything.

I have a friend who was a professional social engineer for the NSA and a lot of the things he talks about are being practiced. Very interesting stuff.

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Please expand

Social engineering tricks like taking a bit of publicly available information, hint that you know the whole story, and let the target fill in the blanks. How to ingratiate yourself to the target by finding (or fabricating) a connection. Typical tricks that charlatan mediums use.

The Messiah character certainly seems to be a social engineer in that sense.

Episode 6.

Just finished it. It's nuts. So many questions.

There better be a season 2 cause I need answers.

So the prevailing theory I'm seeing online is that Al-Masih is the Antichrist, and Jibril is the real Messiah. Thoughts?

I can definitely see where they purposely make you see that if you're looking for it.

Oddly, that's exactly why I didn't want a season 2 - this show is about the questions and how we react to them, like a giant "what if" and Rorschach test, and they have all been asked effectively. Answers only spoil that, or turn it into a very different show.
Jmo.

Not seeking a spoiler per-se, but does the premise end up bringing in any emissary from the Pope or the Oecumenical Patriarch, either one? Any kind of `vetting' explored in one of the episodes? Or even a layman ask a historical question his answer might tell you something?

It is only mentioned that the Vatican is looking into him in a news report. The investigation of him we are shown is only done by the main CIA agent and her sources.

You think that is would have been a bigger thing in the mini series.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So the prevailing theory I'm seeing online is that Al-Masih is the Antichrist, and Jibril is the real Messiah. Thoughts?

I can definitely see where they purposely make you see that if you're looking for it.

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Jibril being the Arabic version of the Archangel Gabriel and the fact that Al-Masih ad-dajjal is usually what the Islamic antichrist is called (as opposed to Jesus and the unnamed Mahdi, the two eschatological savior figures) seems to hint that this is the likely endgame just drawing inferences from the name clues

canadiaggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So the prevailing theory I'm seeing online is that Al-Masih is the Antichrist, and Jibril is the real Messiah. Thoughts?

I can definitely see where they purposely make you see that if you're looking for it.

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Jibril being the Arabic version of the Archangel Gabriel and the fact that Al-Masih ad-dajjal is usually what the Islamic antichrist is called (as opposed to Jesus and the unnamed Mahdi, the two eschatological savior figures) seems to hint that this is the likely endgame just drawing inferences from the name clues

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Islamic antichrist? In Shi'ia or Sunni conception? Or do they both recognize him, as they do Gabriel.

I enjoyed it, but I'm not sure how they are going to do the long game.

If it turns into some sort of endgame-like battle between Messiah and anti-Christ that would be LAME. If they go all in on him being a Messiah, then what are they going to do? Show him preaching a Netflix rendition of the Bible for 3 seasons? That won't go over well with Christian viewers because it won't be from the real Bible. Nor would it go over well from agnostics/athiests viewers because they don't want to get preached from a real religion nevermind a fake one. I'm concerned that they have written themselves in a corner. Hope they have Breaking Bad writing skills and are able to write themselves out of it.

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canadiaggie said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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So the prevailing theory I'm seeing online is that Al-Masih is the Antichrist, and Jibril is the real Messiah. Thoughts?

I can definitely see where they purposely make you see that if you're looking for it.

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Jibril being the Arabic version of the Archangel Gabriel and the fact that Al-Masih ad-dajjal is usually what the Islamic antichrist is called (as opposed to Jesus and the unnamed Mahdi, the two eschatological savior figures) seems to hint that this is the likely endgame just drawing inferences from the name clues

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Islamic antichrist? In Shi'ia or Sunni conception? Or do they both recognize him, as they do Gabriel.

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Almost all sects recognise the a thing that will be al masih al dajjal but have different conceptions of what that entails. I can clarify over on R&P if you make a thread there

Show masih seems to skew towards orthodox Sunni conception

I thought it was ok. I agree the premise is cool w/the questions answered/unanswered. I felt the pacing was too slow. If they cut the clips of people slowly walking or staring into the distance it could cut the show be a few episodes.

corleoneAg99 said:

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Two episodes in and so far for me it's like half Homeland, half The Leftovers. Looking forward to knocking out the rest of it this weekend.

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This is awesome. i literally described it to my brother as a combo of these two shows

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Nowhere really to go with season 2, other than more of the same.

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Disagree strongly. I think they set it up to take a bunch of possible interesting directions.

Also, can somebody please tell me what PBUH is??

Peace be upon him?

I just binge watched it over the last few days.

I definitely recommend it.

I liked wondering how I would respond if I was living my current life and such a person suddenly showed up like that. I'm usually skeptical of everything but I found myself wanting to believe he was legit on the show which makes me think I might do the same IRL.

Got into this show late and just finished last night.

My favorite thing about this show is how they constantly give enough to allow doubt to stay in the viewer's mind. He has known details about people he's never met, apparently survived through 2 natural weather disasters, walked on water, and lived through a plane crash....

and yet...been in a mental hospital, cozied up with anti-American terrorists, grew up learning from a street magician. Even in the final scene Aviram is told he was dead by a child whom the show went out of its way to show likes to make up stories.

So, I have one question that probably isn't really important. The CIA characters assumed he took the private jet to Mexico, but we - as the audience - were never given hard evidence on that. Are we supposed to believe that he actually flew to Mexico before showing up in Texas?

I think it's fair to think that it happened. The CIA has been right about most other things with him and it wasn't a big plot line. Was just the show trying to throw one more curveball on who he is or isn't.

Adam Ag 98 said:

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I thought it was ok. I agree the premise is cool w/the questions answered/unanswered. I felt the pacing was too slow. If they cut the clips of people slowly walking or staring into the distance it could cut the show be a few episodes.

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It definitely was not for me. So slow. Nothing ever happens. The anti-binge show.

I agree that it dragged at time.

Cancelled.

Really surprised by this, I wonder if the logistics of all the shows they have in process that are delayed right now played into this.


https://deadline.com/2020/03/messiah-canceled-netflix-one-season-1202893659/amp/