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*** Coronavirus Impact on the Entertainment Industry ***

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That was fun!
Malachi Constant
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Awesome read. Appreciate your perspective. Try sticking around the E-board for a while if you can stomach it!
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Yeah, this is great stuff. I know my part of the industry well, but I know next to nothing about how the chains actually operate when it comes to stuff like this. Do you/did you work in distribution?
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Thanks for all the positive feedback. It's nice to share ramblings of the minutia I spend most of my work day thinking about.

I'm in corporate accounting and finance on the theater side of the business. Most of what I shared can be derived from SEC filings for the majors (AMC, Cinemark, Regal, etc.), although Regal is now a subsidiary of Cineworld with UK filing requirements.

It's been painful to watch the last 9 months unfold. The relationship between the studios and the theaters has been generally positive over the years. The pandemic has really brought about uncertainty in the industry. OK, that's painfully obviousl. What isn't so obvious is whether the knee-jerk reactions of the studios has made sense. As I stated above, Disney has never been shy to put the theatrical experience high on their priority list. WB has demonstrated, correction...AT&T has demonstrated, that they don't really have a clue how the theatrical window is a kick-start to the downstream revenues. The canibalization of the VOD, instead of theatrical release followed by VOD, really doesn't make any sense. They are completely limiting their upside for a decent slate of films for 2021. At this point, the industry's best scenario when it comes to WB is cooler heads prevailing and bringing back the theatrical window with a deal similar to Universal (if the initial box office ins't above a certain threshhold, go ahead and release to VOD in X days).

The following, in my opinion, is the best path to blue skies for the industry:
  • WB rethinks their strategy and moves to a deal similar to Universal. The simultaneous streaming and theatrical release is canibalization for the studio/parent company and a cut for the theaters. Theaters will negotiate lower rent terms, but the studios ultimately will be less incentivized to put out decent product.
  • AMC files for bankruptcy. Yes, I said it. Their current financing structure (and the fact that they are almost completely drained of cash) just says that any form of support without a bankruptcy restructure means they'll be starting out further and further behind. And such a move would need to be quick so that structuring is complete before the blockbusters hit.

  • Along with AMC preserving their theater counts, other smaller chains and individuals can keep running (or get swooped up and reopened by other investors). Fewer operating theaters decreases the potential upside of a blockbuster. If the upside diminishes, then streaming becomes a more attractive option.
  • There is a reckoning among the streaming giants, and quickly. Membership for HBO Max, Disney Plus, Netflix, etc. has ballooned as people are stuck in doors. It makes the idea to just throw content into the mix more enticing (studios don't necessarily have to write-down their investments in the movies). Hopefully the subscriber base re-sets as people start paring back their spending. With a decrease in revenue on the streaming/VOD side, it will hopefully make the exclusive theatrical window more attractive.

Sorry, TLDR...I know. Just the musings of a guy with hopes the industry can survive. The move-going experience has been a significant part of our history as a country. In fact, it drives the industry world-wide as no other country has product that can rival Hollywood product. In fact, Bollywood represents less than 50% of the film box office in India.

OK...I'm done.
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Super interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. You've found a place where people find your rambling really insightful

I'm curious, how would the margins/business model of theaters like Alamo and the like differ from the big chain theaters, or not significantly?
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Yeah, no need to apologize. This is all incredibly insightful.

I absolutely agree that the Universal model is the future/best way forward, and if WB doesn't adopt something similar in 2021, they will in 2022. If feels like, going forward, as a said earlier in this thread, the theatrical run of a movie will essentially become the "ad campaign" for its eventual release on streaming. Where, like you said, if the initial box office isn't above a certain threshold, go ahead and release to VOD in X days. And for the blockbusters that are making bank, release those to VOD in six weeks or whatever. Either way, the idea that a movie first releases to theaters, then there's a gap of months where we can't see it again until it hits DVD/Blu-ray/streaming, is definitely dead. But that doesn't mean there isn't still a profitable model going forward for theaters, and I think a version of the Universal deal will meet that criteria, and be the sweet spot that satisfies all parties. The HBO Max strategy, on the other hand, is the opposite of that.

Overall, the more I listen to directors, producers, execs, etc, the more encouraged I am by where w're headed with theatrical. Imminently, there's certainly going to be more pain and dumb ass decisions and yeah, probably some big time bankruptcy as well. But in the long run, where all this lands in 2022 or so, is going to be so much better for everyone involved. Shorter theatrical windows, but more content being rotated in and out, more revenue streams with the chains getting a cut of streaming, etc. And then, for audiences, no more ridiculous gaps of movies being unavailable to see for a period of months after they leave theaters. In other words, more immediacy and options all around, and I honestly can't wait for it.
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Really interesting hearing your take on all of this.

I work on the design side of things for several different exhibitors and it's been a hard year for sure.

What I've heard is that the WB deal obviously threw a wrench into the theater companies. But the Disney announcement was a beacon of hope.

We're hopeful for 2021, but a lot of uncertainty for sure.
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jimscott85 said:




Sorry, TLDR...I know. Just the musings of a guy with hopes the industry can survive. The move-going experience has been a significant part of our history as a country. In fact, it drives the industry world-wide as no other country has product that can rival Hollywood product. In fact, Bollywood represents less than 50% of the film box office in India.

OK...I'm done.
Absolutely NOT TLDR! Very informative and helpful. Thanks so much for spending the time to write it.
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fig96 said:

Super interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. You've found a place where people find your rambling really insightful

I'm curious, how would the margins/business model of theaters like Alamo and the like differ from the big chain theaters, or not significantly?
Without full access to the financials for Alamo, it's really hard to say. A few thoughts:

  • Tickets - They may have some better margins overall on tickets simply because they do a lot of special "anniversary events" and independent film showings that generally have lower film rental. They aren't nearly as focused on the blockbuster films, which of course cost more per patron for film rental.
  • Concessions - I'm guessing their margins here are tighter than most venues with traditional concessions (popcorn, candy, soda). Food costs alone are just simply going to be higher for even a burger as compared to the retail price.
  • Aside from the concessions margin, which I generally only think about product costs, they are going to have higher wages for the servers, food prep, etc.
  • They don't show "advertisements" before films. While that may be a nice grab for some folks, it's a hit to the bottom line compared to the bigs or generally any other chain/individual that gets advertising revenue. The two major players here are National Cinemedia (where AMC, Regal and Cinemark were founding members) and Screenvision. They take in advertising revenues, show the ads on the screens at your local theater, and then pass on a portion of the advertising proceeds to the theater owners. It's a nice gimmick to say you don't show ads, but the lost revenue upside can be HUGE when you have high attendance during blockbuster seasons.
  • Location, location location...With many of their core locations in Austin and then several in other high-rent locations, it's a squeeze on the bottom line. You are dependent on relatively high attendance to clear fixed cost hurdles, and I do know Alamo is basically selling souvenirs for cash at this point.
  • The oddball here is franchising. I'm not sure of their franchise structure and whether that is providing significant cash flow. If you have a great brand and you can depend on your franchisees, the lower risk and overhead cost of just taking in franchise fees can be a significant upside. I just don't know enough about Alamo's scenario.

Studio Movie Grill would transform a shut down gentlemens club into one of their locations if they thought they could make it work. The issue here is lower quality that comes with it. They aren't trying to be an Alamo. They're filling the niche "I want a date night but I don't have time for dinner AND something else AFTER". But they seem to be filling that at a lower price point with what appears to be lower rent locations.

My general view is that the more you try to cram into the movie-going experience, the harder it is to maintain a respectable margin. Higher food costs, payrolls, rent, etc. make it a tougher hurdle to profitability when times get hard.

Let me just say that my views are based on a decade at one chain and observation/comparison to the other chains and the industry as a whole from where I stand. I do try to be unbiased, but I'm more than sure it's still in some of my ramblings. And I could be way off here and there, but if I am, it's simply because there's a fact pattern or situation I don't know about or haven't come across.
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Really interesting stuff, thanks for the insight.

My understanding from talking to a few people on the business side is that Alamo has operated more from a restaurant business model than a theater model so I'm curious if that changes how they approach things. They've gotten to the point where they're even building their own standalone theaters in places so business can't be too bad (pre-COVID that is).

Interesting observation on Studio Movie Grill though. I've seen a few locations very similar to what you're referring to, then they've also got a crazy upscale location in City Centre in Memorial that has to cost a fortune. Interesting paradox
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Wow, I just looked up that location at City Centre. I know the landlord there shopped the location with a few chains, if not all of them.

It looks like a very clean, upscale concept. What's interesting to me is the name....Studio Movie Grill....just like the others. You would think they'd differenciate the brand name in some way. Many of the other chains add in terms like "Bistro" or "Dine-In". Otherwise, it's like putting a TJ MAXX on Rodeo Drive.
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Yeah, we used to live near there and would go for dinner and a movie occasionally, it's a really nice spot and City Centre is a very upscale shopping center. I've been to a few others that are definitely a different experience

Good point on them not differentiating, seems like that would be valuable for locations like that one.
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https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-praises-stimulus-bill/
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I'd love to know/understand the corporate plan for these streaming services.

If my household is paying ten bucks a month for a studio's affiliated streaming service, is that more money (and more reliable money at that) than they could have gotten from us at the movie theater over the span of a normal year?


Exactly.
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Too bad that Apple TV and Netflix bid fell through for bond.
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TCTTS said:



Given the WB news and all the fear of "straight to streaming", this is good news...great news actually. You're seeing a shift in the theatrical release and not a flip to alternative format.

As for the first half of 2021, it's pretty bare anyway. Why are there even any films hanging out there? If the virus falls off by February, and there's plenty of speculation that could be the case, you'll see capacity restrictions reduced along with an improvement in overall attitude. If you have a $100M budget film with ZERO competition for an entire month, you could easily make your buck while helping to restart the theatrical engine.
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WB did everyone a favor putting WW84 on HBO max
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Remember this idiot. Such a doomer. Probably thought 100s of 1000s of people were going to die as well.
https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3099393/replies/56458938
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Congrats?
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didnt mean it as a brag, but as a warning that we are a still a long way off from a normal opening nights. 9 months at least. if I were to guess.
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I'm honestly unclear as to which post I should be reviewing there.
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I don't feel like this is a good comparison. Tenet wasn't available for streaming when it hit theaters.

That guy is kinda doomsdaying I think.
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TCTTS said:




Wow. If no one expected WW84 to have low box office when you could stream it in your home the same day, then they are morons.
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Between Tenet and Wonder Woman 1984, all studios are going to see are incredibly low box office numbers the two times blockbusters have tried to open during the pandemic, which will likely push any March/April titles back even more (combined with current Covid numbers, of course). I still say the next theatrical blockbuster won't release until Black Widow on May 7 at the earliest, but even that's pushing it. Regardless, No Time to Die and A Quiet Place Part II will almost assuredly be delayed yet again, unless either do some kind of VOD release, which isn't likely.
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TCTTS said:

Between Tenet and Wonder Woman 1984, all studios are going to see are incredibly low box office numbers the two times blockbusters have tried to open during the pandemic, which will likely push any March/April titles back even more (combined with current Covid numbers, of course). I still say the next theatrical blockbuster won't release until Black Widow on May 7 at the earliest, but even that's pushing it. Regardless, No Time to Die and A Quiet Place Part II will almost assuredly be delayed yet again, unless either do some kind of VOD release, which isn't likely.


But you gotta think that if WW84 was only released in theaters it would've made a helluva lot more than Tenet.
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Question.. tenet was good not not great

I didn't see WW84 but heard it was ok at best

Maybe they are just meh movies - Top Gun 2 would bring people out.. maybe those 2 movies just didn't move the needle?

Did you see WW84? Like it?
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Yeah, No Time to Die, Black Widow, or Top Gun: Maverick would have been the perfect test cases, but unfortunately anything of that caliber is staying as far away from the pandemic as possible.

And yeah, I saw WW84, and no I didn't like it. At all. In fact, it was easily one of the worst superhero movies I've ever seen.
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Soul was really good. Would have made a ton of money. I can't think of another movie this year that was released at all that was even close.

I liked Onward too but I also play tabletop RPG so I don't think I count.
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Even in Onward's limited run it made over $60 million domestic, probably would've been a typical Pixar $200 million type of movie.
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But regardless of the quality of WW, how many people would have gone to see it on the big screen? I think a ton of families would have, especially those with girls. They would have been just as disappointed though, lol
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Bad movies make a lot of money all the time. Saying ww84 didn't make money because is bad is an excuse that doesn't fly imo.
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dave94 said:

I don't feel like this is a good comparison. Tenet wasn't available for streaming when it hit theaters.

That guy is kinda doomsdaying I think.
Bingo! Analysis like that is either a) biased or b) lazy and lacking critical thought. I'll go with both.

You simply cannot gauge performance in the current environment. Free access combined with the fear reporting on COVID isn't going provide meaningful results. The best test will be a Black Widow or similar film that has a lot of runway behind it. If it gets some decent reviews, you hope to so minimal decline in attendance in the months following initial release.

Statistics from MPAA show that avid moviegoers (attend movies 12 x per year or more) represent 50% of the box office. Those are the folks you can't lose in the game. They are also the folks that are most likely to enjoy the theatrical experience more than the average Joe. Surveys of avid moviegoers throughout the pandemic indicated that 90% of the respondents would return to the theatres. The question is a matter of when, not if.

There WILL be some permanent fallout and the inefficient exhibitors will either die or have to retool.
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MBAR said:

Bad movies make a lot of money all the time. Saying ww84 didn't make money because is bad is an excuse that doesn't fly imo.
It didn't fly before the pandemic and it definitely doesn't fly now. Take any review aggregator data and try to match blockbuster success with critical reviews. It doesn't work. Why? Because blockbuster movies don't get the proper distribution of reviews across the viewers. There's a higher proportion of attendance attributed to fans who only see movies a few times a year. They tend to be less critical and "snooty" about a movie or the experience. But most of the aggregators look for the same people or type of people to review movies. Is a $400M blockbuster bad because it received a "C" score? No, the "reviewers" spoke with their money in the case of a blockbuster, not their critical evaluation of the movie.

I had a theater manager explain it to me once. "We don't keep the theater clean for the guy who shows up to a movie 3 times a year. He'll complain about popcorn on the floor and forget about it tomorrow. We clean the theater for the guy who comes every other week."

Theatrical results will forever be discussed in "post pandemic vs. pre pandemic terms" just like the "super bowl era" and the "shot clock era". The stats will just simply be different. And because of the mixed bag of blockbuster vs. mid-tier and every other variant (rating, urban/rural, etc.) it will take years before we know whether the pandemic left a permanent stain on the industry.

I think the answer is yes, but it has nothing to do with the moviegoer. It has everything to do with whether the studios make permanent changes to their delivery methods. They will, but to what extent is TBD.
 
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