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1990's Batmania vs 2010's Avengers

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I was curious to see what people thought of the early to mid 90's Batmania hype was compared to the recent Avengers hype.

I was born in 1991, and barely remember seeing Batman Forever in theaters (came out on my birthday), so I don't have a great idea of how big Batman was back then. 1989 and 1992 Batman movies still get mentioned in pop culture a lot.

Recency bias in me wants to think the recent Avengers hype dwarfed Batman in the 90's, but was curious to see what people who lived through both think.
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Gather 'round children, and I'll tell you a tale of two legends.......

Batman'89 was a special movie. An American icon reborn on the big screen. The biggest thing to happen to comic book culture since... Superman 2 or3? But that was about it. Some big stars wanted to be part of the franchise (Nicholson, Schwarzenegger), but it wasn't supposed to define their career. It was pretty one dimensional and almost campy.

Avengers either accidentally or by careful design started a mythos. There were hidden back stories, layers, the potential for decades of connected movies. It was a much deeper experience, closer to the Star Wars franchise in depth.
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Philo B 93 said:

Gather 'round children, and I'll tell you a tale of two legends.......

Batman'89 was a special movie. An American icon reborn on the big screen. The biggest thing to happen to comic book culture since... Superman 2 or3? But that was about it. Some big stars wanted to be part of the franchise (Nicholson, Schwarzenegger), but it wasn't supposed to define their career. It was pretty one dimensional and almost campy.

Avengers either accidentally or by careful design started a mythos. There were hidden back stories, layers, the potential for decades of connected movies. It was a much deeper experience, closer to the Star Wars franchise in depth.
Agreed.

I was 15 in the summer of 1989 and saw Batman in the theatre. The hype was really big as I recall. I enjoyed it but it wasn't anything pivotal for me by any means. It was campy, but dark, and certainly different. There was a surge of Batman symbol t-shirts and such. Peak 80's Burton/Elfman stuff. Saw Batman Returns three years later and I actually liked it more but the box office disagreed with me there. Didn't see any of the others after that as they all looked ridiculous to me.

Regardless, it wasn't a pimple on the butt of what Marvel/Disney did with the Avengers/MCU. It's not even comparable.
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Yep. Not even a comparison.

1989 Batman was a great movie and more mature than the 60's tv show we all loved in reruns for years, but it was nothing close to Avengers or most other Marvel movies.

Endgame was this generation's Star Wars of 1977.
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I remember in Houston there being a billboard up for Batman like at least 18 months before the movie came out. I also remember the talk shows and entertainment reporters trashing Keaton as the choice for Batman. I don't remember when I saw it in the theater, but it was just good-to-OK for me - the musical choices from Prince we weird, especially Nicholson dancing as he defaces the art gallery.
But you also have to consider the only Batman - and I was also 15 that summer - we had seen was the campy 60s show on reruns and the various incarnations of the Superfriends. Not exactly the 1-2 punch of hype about a character. Comics weren't nearly as mainstream then as they are now.

The hype event of that era for me was 2 years later in the summer of 1991 when Terminator 2 came out. Great teaser trailer, huge build-up, great payoff.
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Yes.

T2 was GNR fueled epic sh**. Fist fights for fun in the parking lot level stuff.
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I'm a little younger than yall and Batman 89 was the biggest mulitimedia hype I can remember. I was still in the toys and comic book age range, so it was bigger to me. Older people were interested because it had established actors. 30 somethings were interested because the Prince video was dominating VH1 and MTV. And this was pre-internet, so it's hard compare the conventional media blitz of the 80s to the steady stream of internet hype for Endgame or the recent Star Wars movies. Return of the Jedi is the only thing I would say was bigger in that decade.
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Batman hype was far greater than any of the early Avengers movies & on par to the Endgame type hype.
I say this as I was a sophomore in 1989 & Batman was freaking everywhere. The level of buzz it created in the time before the internet & social media was pretty amazing.

There were dozens of guys with Batman symbols cut into their hair at my school. Batman commercials, songs, etc. The senior guys at my school bought an old stationwagon & painted it black and put the batman symbol on the hood. The "Bat Rod" was entered into the town parade & was the vehicle for all sorts of nefarious goings on.

The movie didn't age very well & the whole "Dark Knight" saga kind of left the '89 version in the dust. For about a year though, Batman was king.

Avengers has the advantage of being 20+ movies and pumping out 2-3 good to great movies a year for 10 years. There has never really been anything like it... so not a fair comparison to pit one movie against that juggernaut. I do think the Avengers movie are superior on almost every level, but in terms of a single great Avengers movie vs. Batman... I think it's pretty much even in terms of 'hype'.


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I too was 15 in the summer of '89. I remember the Prince theme song being a bigger deal than the movie itself, at least to those who were my age.
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I'll agree with Apache. I was a senior at A&M that year, and Batman was literally everywhere. Growing up, I had loved the first two Superman movies. Those were the only big-time movies made of a comic book character in modern times, at the time. I remember reading about a Batman movie midway through the '80s, but was always frustrated when news would say the project had been grounded. But then some time in '88 buzz about Batman coming to the big screen returned. Tim Burton had just done Beetlejuice, and was announced as the director. At some point it was revealed that Michael freaking Keaton of Mr. Mom had been cast as the caped crusader.

That casting really didn't go over well. I remember a song playing on the radio as the spring of 89 lumbered toward the summer and the June release, with lyrics whining about wanting Adam West in the role again. But by that time I had jumped fully on board with the casting, as I'd seen something on TV in January '89 that featured some footage from the upcoming movie. Let's just say that the footage blew me away.

At the time I worked for the Schumlan 6 movie theater that was located on E29th in Bryan. I remember being aggravated that the owner had opted against booking Batman because he didn't think it was going to do well (he thought Ghostbusters 2 would bring in huge money, and that, along with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, was his big booking that summer). The theater at Post Oak Mall booked Batman. That was a 3-screen theater, and the movie played on all three screens opening weekend. (June 23 was the opening, and Schulman started Roadhouse at one of his theaters - good movie that no one in town bothered with for a couple of weeks).

Batman '89 was a huge event. As others have stated, it was pre-internet, but the hype was equivalent to what we've seen with the Infinity War/Endgame type of Marvel movies. For movies released last century, I'd say Return of the Jedi, Batman, and The Phantom Menace are the only ones that could closely approximate the hype we see these days.

I really enjoyed Batman '89 at the time, but it has not withstood the test of time. The sequels all sucked ass. Well, Batman Returns was decent up until the flock of penguins waddled out with rockets on their backs. The two Joel Schumacher movies were God-awful pieces of dog crap, but he did lead the series toward more of a TV-series look and feel; I'm honestly shocked he didn't pull out the Biff! and Crash! placards during the fight scenes. I rank Batman & Robin as among the worst three movies I've ever seen, and because of that, when Batman Begins came out in 2005, I very nearly skipped it. Someone finally talked me into going on what turned out to be its last night in the theater here in Katy, and damn, that was a Batman movie worthy of the name again. The Chris Nolan series put the final nail in Batman '89's coffin.

Batman '89 was a singular movie experience at the time, but it didn't last. There was no hype as far as I was aware in 2008 for Iron Man, a movie I did not even see until it released to video. But with each subsequent release, I was getting more and more invested, and when we saw Thanos in the end credits of the original Avengers movie, they had successfully hooked me. I won't say there was any real hype for most of those MCU movies, other than perhaps Captain America Civil War, but always in the background there was the promise of Thanos, so that by the time Infinity War released, the hype was through the roof. The MCU hype was really a hype of a promised future that everyone knew was coming, and when it finally came, the hype exploded and they knocked it out of the park.
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Urban Ag said:

Yes.

T2 was GNR fueled epic sh**. Fist fights for fun in the parking lot level stuff.


I was born in '82. Even as young as I was, you couldn't escape the wave of publicity of T2. So many commercials, so many, many posters. I can still vividly remember the food court at Post Oak Mall having posters for T2 plastered on the walls for what seemed like months.
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The initial buzz for Batman was huge while the Avengers was more of a slow build. Batman trumped any Avengers movie until Infinity War and Endgame. The problem with Batman was that the movie wasn't good enough to sustain the hype. The internet is part of it, but the discussions and anticipation between Infinity War and Endgame is bigger than anything I've ever seen.
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It may be my age at the time (14 vs 10), but I felt like Jurassic Park was bigger than Batman.
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I was too young for Batman '89, but Spider-Man was pretty huge in 02.
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Bruce Almighty said:

It may be my age at the time (14 vs 10), but I felt like Jurassic Park was bigger than Batman.


It absolutely was.
Brian Earl Spilner
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I have vague memories of watching JP in the theater (I was 5 at the time), but I do remember being OBSESSED with dinosaurs after that. (As was every other kid in school.)
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

That casting really didn't go over well. I remember a song playing on the radio as the spring of 89 lumbered toward the summer and the June release, with lyrics whining about wanting Adam West in the role again.
Fat Bib Fortuna
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For a while there was a rumor that Michael Jackson was going to play Robin.
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CBS late night attempt to beat the tonight show was hosted by Pat Sajak (of wheel of fortune fame). Even as a kid I knew the show was bad, but he had Robin as a recurring guest that summer and it was just a guy in the horrible 1960s Robin costume acting super passed about not being in the biggest movie of the summer. Super dumb but it cracked me up.
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I was 11 when Batman came out. I remember the theater I went to having many shows sold out, and you had to get there early and wait in line for an hour for a decent seat. I loved it at the time but never felt any continual hype of having to see it as the movies regressed and Schumacher almost killing the franchise with bat nipples.

I collected comics as a kid and read mostly Marvel. I didn't know what to expect when I saw Iron Man. I was told to stay for the end credits and was shocked when nick Fury popped up. I got excited then about what Marvel was planning as I actually knew the history of the B characters they had the rights to at the time. When I saw Thanos at the end of the first Avengers, I couldn't wait until they finalLy finished the plan.

The Avengers hype was a slow burn that continued to grow.
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Yelnick McWawa said:

I too was 15 in the summer of '89. I remember the Prince theme song being a bigger deal than the movie itself, at least to those who were my age.


I randomly bought an original vinyl copy of the soundtrack digging through some crates at a record store a few weeks ago... Best $6 I ever spent
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Sex Panther said:

Yelnick McWawa said:

I too was 15 in the summer of '89. I remember the Prince theme song being a bigger deal than the movie itself, at least to those who were my age.


I randomly bought an original vinyl copy of the soundtrack digging through some crates at a record store a few weeks ago... Best $6 I ever spent

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Claude!
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Batman '89 walked so that the MCU could run.
AustinAg2K
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I went with my family to watch Batman at the Lakewood Theater in Dallas. I loved the movie, but my parents hated it (they wanted the campy 60s Batman). 89 Batman was a decent movie, and it tried to kick off a comic book run at the theaters, but the sequels were bad and just kept getting worse. Despite its success, the studios still didn't take comic book heroes series, and just turned everything into a cheesy joke. I would say the animated series in the 90s ended up having a bigger effect.

The MCU on the other hand is one of the greatest achievements ever in the entertainment industry. I think it's probably one of the greatest business stories in general. Marvel was very near bankruptcy. It amazes me that they were able to take a bunch of B-level super heroes and turn them into the biggest film franchise ever. When the original Ironman came out, he was not one of Marvel's top properties. That was Spiderman, X-Men, or the Fantasic Four. Those had been sold off to keep the company afloat. In a way, though, I think that not having their top properties is what made it all work. They had to make Ironman a good movie, because no one knew who he was. They had to create individual movies for each property because if they had just done the Avengers to start, no one would have cared.

The impact of the MCU/Avengers on film can't be understated. You can't just make a movie anymore. Everyone wants an interconnected universe now.
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Batman was HUUUUUGE. The logo was EVERYWHERE. On cars, painted and decals, shirts, memorabilia, people getting tattooed....

Liquid Wrench
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Those videos are a great representation of what I was remembering. And I think E! was basically the Batman channel for a couple months.
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Just an interesting side story:

"Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" opened the same weekend. There were so many people and families that would show up to the theater to find sold out Batman screenings that many ended up seeing the Disney movie instead.

So, that movie's surprising box office was a direct result of Batman's success.
AgfromHOU
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I've enjoyed these responses.

I'm not trying to compare Batman 89 to Avengers Endgame as far as what is the better movie.

I just think the Batmania started by Batman 89, combined with Batman: The Animated Series and McDonalds pushing Returns, Forever, and B&R in their stores for action figures, was such a huge cultural phenomenon that it might be comparable to Marvels recent run as far as pop culture goes.

Thanks for everyone's responses!
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The Batman VHS was spectacular. You had an intro by bugs and daffy duck (WB property), you had alfred drinking a coke, and you had this little ditty:











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AgfromHOU said:

I've enjoyed these responses.

I'm not trying to compare Batman 89 to Avengers Endgame as far as what is the better movie.

I just think the Batmania started by Batman 89, combined with Batman: The Animated Series and McDonalds pushing Returns, Forever, and B&R in their stores for action figures, was such a huge cultural phenomenon that it might be comparable to Marvels recent run as far as pop culture goes.

Thanks for everyone's responses!

Batman '89 was a bigger pop culture "moment," IMO. Avengers accomplished and ultimately meant more, cinematically, no question. But the Batmania that ran from '88 to '95 or so is still unparalleled in terms of pop culture saturation. Not only was Batman memorabilia EVERYWHERE in '89, but it was a big, big deal - a revelation, even - that Batman was finally shifting cinematically from the campy, blue-and-gray, whiz-pop-bam vibe to the dark-and-serious, all-black aesthetic. We had never seen anything like that attempted before. And Nicholson's presence made it all the more memorable. People also forget about the aforementioned musical aspect, which Avengers didn't have, if only because of the era it was released. But back in the day, Danny Elfman's theme, and Prince's involvement with the soundtrack, was huge, and another element that gives Batman '89 the edge. Not to mention Seal's "Kiss from a Rose," which broke all kinds of records, and U2's "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me," both featured on the Batman Returns soundtrack in '95. Avengers didn't even come close to dipping a toe in, much less impacting, the musical side of things like the Batman franchise did.
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