I'm not sure.... computer bleeps n bloops seem to be what mainstream likes.
Rock ain't dead, but it's in hospice care.
Rock ain't dead, but it's in hospice care.
Will rock music ever have a renaissance?
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There's so much music available these days. Im convinced that if you can't find what you're looking for, you're just not looking hard enough.
But yeah, if you're hoping to hear it on the radio, good luck with that. I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years.
But yeah, if you're hoping to hear it on the radio, good luck with that. I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years.
One of the most underrated bands ever is Survivor.
They are still technically around but with only 1 original member lead guitarist Frankie Sullivan. Long time front man Jimi Jamison is dead, damn he had a voice. And original bassist Stephen Ellis is also gone.
I saw them about 4 years ago as it was not all that great. Had just brought on 21 year old Cameron Barton as the front. When Jimi Jamison died unexpectedly in 2014 it basically killed the band. I wish Frankie could get Dave Bickell the original front man back along with founder Jim Peterik and original drummer Marc Doubrov.
Favorite song is How Much Love Does It Take
They are still technically around but with only 1 original member lead guitarist Frankie Sullivan. Long time front man Jimi Jamison is dead, damn he had a voice. And original bassist Stephen Ellis is also gone.
I saw them about 4 years ago as it was not all that great. Had just brought on 21 year old Cameron Barton as the front. When Jimi Jamison died unexpectedly in 2014 it basically killed the band. I wish Frankie could get Dave Bickell the original front man back along with founder Jim Peterik and original drummer Marc Doubrov.
Favorite song is How Much Love Does It Take
Mumble rap doesn't do it for you?
Rock won't ever be like it was in the 80s when it crossed over and became Pop. Rock is better as live music, but Pop and hip hop are better listened to from an iPhone/headphones so that's what the machine sells.
Good news is that as long as there is live music, there will be rock. It's a deeper music that stays with its core audience much longer than a typical pop song stays with its casual listeners.
Good news is that as long as there is live music, there will be rock. It's a deeper music that stays with its core audience much longer than a typical pop song stays with its casual listeners.
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Honestly, I think the era of rock bands selling out 50k seat arenas is coming to a close.
Rock has moved into the "oldies" phase... 93.7 KLBJ in Austin plays zero new rock music. Bands like Godsmack or Avenge Sevenfold just don't have the wider appeal of a Queen, Bon Jovi or Pearl Jam.
In another 20 years it will be completely gone on FM radio.
All the big rock stars are in their late 40's/early 50's and they aren't being replaced in any meaningful way. (No Imagine Dragons, you aren't really rock)
There are a few scattered bands I find (GVF, Dirty Honey etc) that put out good music... The Black Keys still put out some good songs. But overall the trend is rapidly heading down. Kids listen to rap or electronic music if they listen to new stuff at all. My kids (11 & 13) seem to like pop/rock from the 70's to the 90's better than anything new.
Rock has moved into the "oldies" phase... 93.7 KLBJ in Austin plays zero new rock music. Bands like Godsmack or Avenge Sevenfold just don't have the wider appeal of a Queen, Bon Jovi or Pearl Jam.
In another 20 years it will be completely gone on FM radio.
All the big rock stars are in their late 40's/early 50's and they aren't being replaced in any meaningful way. (No Imagine Dragons, you aren't really rock)
There are a few scattered bands I find (GVF, Dirty Honey etc) that put out good music... The Black Keys still put out some good songs. But overall the trend is rapidly heading down. Kids listen to rap or electronic music if they listen to new stuff at all. My kids (11 & 13) seem to like pop/rock from the 70's to the 90's better than anything new.
boy09 said:
There's so much music available these days. Im convinced that if you can't find what you're looking for, you're just not looking hard enough.
But yeah, if you're hoping to hear it on the radio, good luck with that. I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years.
I think there is TOO much music available these days because anyone with a computer can record music and upload it to streaming services. It's hard for me to find new music at times because I don't even know where to start and I do not have patience to sort through all the bull**** to find the good stuff. Most of the newer bands I've found have come from recommendations either by friends or established artists I appreciate.
Junkhead said:boy09 said:
There's so much music available these days. Im convinced that if you can't find what you're looking for, you're just not looking hard enough.
But yeah, if you're hoping to hear it on the radio, good luck with that. I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years.
I think there is TOO much music available these days because anyone with a computer can record music and upload it to streaming services. It's hard for me to find new music at times because I don't even know where to start and I do not have patience to sort through all the bull**** to find the good stuff. Most of the newer bands I've found have come from recommendations either by friends or established artists I appreciate.
Making crap music from a bedroom and whispering = Billie Eilish
Just like blues and jazz, rock has become "old person" music.
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
There's plenty of rock music. Unfortunately, anything pop related gets lumped in as well so it makes finding them tough.
And the ones you see are the heavily commercialized ones like Disturbed, Papa Roach, Green Day, Shinedown, etc.. which mostly came about their popularity with the turn of the century.
There's plenty of 80's and 90's acts still kicking around too.
Under the hood, bands like Our Lady Peace are also continuing to put out new material.
I blame the New Found Glory's of the world for making popular the high pitch whiney vocals. That style also took over modern metal with every new band seemingly needing a girly sounding catchy chorus to compete.
But ya, you don't see any big name acts reaching mega superstar status anymore who can be categorized as 100% rock and roll.
But there are great, creative acts. My favorites are Thrice and Rival Sons.
And Australia continually pumps out good rock music. Check out Alt J radio.
And the ones you see are the heavily commercialized ones like Disturbed, Papa Roach, Green Day, Shinedown, etc.. which mostly came about their popularity with the turn of the century.
There's plenty of 80's and 90's acts still kicking around too.
Under the hood, bands like Our Lady Peace are also continuing to put out new material.
I blame the New Found Glory's of the world for making popular the high pitch whiney vocals. That style also took over modern metal with every new band seemingly needing a girly sounding catchy chorus to compete.
But ya, you don't see any big name acts reaching mega superstar status anymore who can be categorized as 100% rock and roll.
But there are great, creative acts. My favorites are Thrice and Rival Sons.
And Australia continually pumps out good rock music. Check out Alt J radio.
Music has never been more accessible, distributed, and created. There is an ocean of new music made every day across every genre by huge label bands to solo artists in their garage. If you're struggling to find new music that you like, it's because you're not really looking.
The simple fact is, your brain chemistry is different and you no longer crave actual new music, instead you crave nostalgia. And no amount or quality of new music can deliver nostalgia.
The simple fact is, your brain chemistry is different and you no longer crave actual new music, instead you crave nostalgia. And no amount or quality of new music can deliver nostalgia.
The easy accessability of music has diluted fan bases, resulting in music being less coveted. The current generation doesn't listen to albums. Heck, they don't even listen to an entire song before forwarding to the next one. I worked hard to be able to listen to "my bands". When I found new music (120 min. on MTV, college radio) I became invested with the music and had to "own" it. I then became part of the band, thus following them in print, concerts, buying albums. Rock bands always seemed appreciative to their fan bases. There is certainly good Rock Music currently but there's very little personal investment from the current fanbase outside the 2 minute sound bites before forwarding to the next song.
I think it will. It'll come out of the rap genre though.
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Playing live with instruments is still the best show.
M.C. Swag said:
Music has never been more accessible, distributed, and created. There is an ocean of new music made every day across every genre by huge label bands to solo artists in their garage. If you're struggling to find new music that you like, it's because you're not really looking.
The simple fact is, your brain chemistry is different and you no longer crave actual new music, instead you crave nostalgia. And no amount or quality of new music can deliver nostalgia.
That may be true for some people but not me. I have several newer artists that I love and can't stop listening to and I'm in my late 40's.
FaceMask said:Junkhead said:boy09 said:
There's so much music available these days. Im convinced that if you can't find what you're looking for, you're just not looking hard enough.
But yeah, if you're hoping to hear it on the radio, good luck with that. I haven't listened to terrestrial radio in years.
I think there is TOO much music available these days because anyone with a computer can record music and upload it to streaming services. It's hard for me to find new music at times because I don't even know where to start and I do not have patience to sort through all the bull**** to find the good stuff. Most of the newer bands I've found have come from recommendations either by friends or established artists I appreciate.
Making crap music from a bedroom and whispering = Billie Eilish
Huh? I'm referring to new rock music not anything else.
expresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
There is a large contingent of this board that wishes the only thing on the radio would be Pear Jam and Soundgarden. Those people are mostly stuck in 90's nostalgia, because that style was very brief.
But there's no denying that rock music has ceased to be as popular overall. The masses crave Beyonc, Drake, Nick Jonas, Mumford and Sons, and Imagine Dragons. That's what they have been told to like and it's what pleases them.
But there are still plenty of people who love a solid rock song. But to make money, rock artists have had to merge their style with other styles, so we are rarely blessed with pure rock and instead get some form of electronic with rock tendencies, pop rock, or alt rock.
Doesn't mean people are trapped in nostalgia. It means the world has popularized other things. For those of us that prefer well written songs with great instrument play and good vocals, we have to search harder. For those that prefer simple beats, rhyming, and catchy forgettable hooks, you're in luck.
Is your only source of music the FM radio? If so, then yea you might have a legit complaint. But for anyone with a spotify account there's about 1.5 million artists. Click around and i guarantee you'll find great instrumental play, good vocals and well written songs.mazag08 said:expresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
There is a large contingent of this board that wishes the only thing on the radio would be Pear Jam and Soundgarden. Those people are mostly stuck in 90's nostalgia, because that style was very brief.
But there's no denying that rock music has ceased to be as popular overall. The masses crave Beyonc, Drake, Nick Jonas, Mumford and Sons, and Imagine Dragons. That's what they have been told to like and it's what pleases them.
But there are still plenty of people who love a solid rock song. But to make money, rock artists have had to merge their style with other styles, so we are rarely blessed with pure rock and instead get some form of electronic with rock tendencies, pop rock, or alt rock.
Doesn't mean people are trapped in nostalgia. It means the world has popularized other things. For those of us that prefer well written songs with great instrument play and good vocals, we have to search harder. For those that prefer simple beats, rhyming, and catchy forgettable hooks, you're in luck.
Here's a rec: Mt. Joy (I'm particularly fond of Let Loose. Just puts me in a good mood)
No one i know has ever heard of em, they're practically anonymous. Their music is more soulful/indie rock but the instrumentals are damn good imo.
Is your only source of music the FM radio? If so, then yea you might have a legit complaint. But for anyone with a spotify account there's about 1.5 million artists. Click around and i guarantee you'll find great instrumental play, good vocals and well written songs.mazag08 said:expresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
There is a large contingent of this board that wishes the only thing on the radio would be Pear Jam and Soundgarden. Those people are mostly stuck in 90's nostalgia, because that style was very brief.
But there's no denying that rock music has ceased to be as popular overall. The masses crave Beyonc, Drake, Nick Jonas, Mumford and Sons, and Imagine Dragons. That's what they have been told to like and it's what pleases them.
But there are still plenty of people who love a solid rock song. But to make money, rock artists have had to merge their style with other styles, so we are rarely blessed with pure rock and instead get some form of electronic with rock tendencies, pop rock, or alt rock.
Doesn't mean people are trapped in nostalgia. It means the world has popularized other things. For those of us that prefer well written songs with great instrument play and good vocals, we have to search harder. For those that prefer simple beats, rhyming, and catchy forgettable hooks, you're in luck.
Here's a rec: Mt. Joy
No one i know has ever heard of em, they're practically anonymous. Their music is more soulful/indie rock but the instrumentals are damn good imo.
Here's what the OP of this thread said..M.C. Swag said:Is your only source of music the FM radio? If so, then yea you might have a legit complaint. But for anyone with a spotify account there's about 1.5 million artists. Click around and i guarantee you'll find great instrumental play, good vocals and well written songs.mazag08 said:expresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
There is a large contingent of this board that wishes the only thing on the radio would be Pear Jam and Soundgarden. Those people are mostly stuck in 90's nostalgia, because that style was very brief.
But there's no denying that rock music has ceased to be as popular overall. The masses crave Beyonc, Drake, Nick Jonas, Mumford and Sons, and Imagine Dragons. That's what they have been told to like and it's what pleases them.
But there are still plenty of people who love a solid rock song. But to make money, rock artists have had to merge their style with other styles, so we are rarely blessed with pure rock and instead get some form of electronic with rock tendencies, pop rock, or alt rock.
Doesn't mean people are trapped in nostalgia. It means the world has popularized other things. For those of us that prefer well written songs with great instrument play and good vocals, we have to search harder. For those that prefer simple beats, rhyming, and catchy forgettable hooks, you're in luck.
Here's a rec: Mt. Joy (I'm particularly fond of Let Loose. Just puts me in a good mood)
No one i know has ever heard of em, they're practically anonymous. Their music is more soulful/indie rock but the instrumentals are damn good imo.
So yes, a band that you have to dive deep into Spotify to find is definitely "on the fringe".Quote:
I know it's not dead.. there are some really good bands out there still, but it seems like they are all on the fringe and the youth of today do not appreciate it much anymore.
Rock music used to be the IN music. It's not anymore. Thats the point.
Anecdotal, but interesting given my environment-I work with juvenile offenders out here in California, the facility with the most violent criminals, kids that are affiliated with the gangs glorified in entertainment, kids whose vernacular is used by the middle and upper classes because they think it is coolexpresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
And the vast majority that I have worked with think the music from us 40-year-old's generation is better-whatever the genre. The most frequent comment I hear: the lyrics were more meaningful.
I also have two teens in school here, which is very diverse: black, Latino, various Asian countries, Indian, and Middle Eastern. Their high school is 30% white. Their friends and acquaintances also prefer the music from our generation. I've been to several student organized events at their middle school and high school, and I feel like I'm back in school because they're playing music from the 80's and 90's.
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So the point is to just lament the fact that a brand of music that was popular 20+ years ago is no longer popular? Because it sounded like some of y'all just wanted to complain about 'the youth' and how they "just don't make em like they used to." Despite the fact that once you leave the confines of FM Radio there's literally never been a better time to enjoy music. Your rock, your rap, your classical, etc is all still there and better than ever.mazag08 said:Here's what the OP of this thread said..M.C. Swag said:Is your only source of music the FM radio? If so, then yea you might have a legit complaint. But for anyone with a spotify account there's about 1.5 million artists. Click around and i guarantee you'll find great instrumental play, good vocals and well written songs.mazag08 said:expresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
There is a large contingent of this board that wishes the only thing on the radio would be Pear Jam and Soundgarden. Those people are mostly stuck in 90's nostalgia, because that style was very brief.
But there's no denying that rock music has ceased to be as popular overall. The masses crave Beyonc, Drake, Nick Jonas, Mumford and Sons, and Imagine Dragons. That's what they have been told to like and it's what pleases them.
But there are still plenty of people who love a solid rock song. But to make money, rock artists have had to merge their style with other styles, so we are rarely blessed with pure rock and instead get some form of electronic with rock tendencies, pop rock, or alt rock.
Doesn't mean people are trapped in nostalgia. It means the world has popularized other things. For those of us that prefer well written songs with great instrument play and good vocals, we have to search harder. For those that prefer simple beats, rhyming, and catchy forgettable hooks, you're in luck.
Here's a rec: Mt. Joy (I'm particularly fond of Let Loose. Just puts me in a good mood)
No one i know has ever heard of em, they're practically anonymous. Their music is more soulful/indie rock but the instrumentals are damn good imo.So yes, a band that you have to dive deep into Spotify to find is definitely "on the fringe".Quote:
I know it's not dead.. there are some really good bands out there still, but it seems like they are all on the fringe and the youth of today do not appreciate it much anymore.
Rock music used to be the IN music. It's not anymore. Thats the point.
Also, I buck at the notion that "what is popular cannot be well written or have meaning." The Black Keys are as popular as anyone and their music still kicks ass.
Your post made me wonder why this is? Clearly, 40 year olds don't buy much music compared to teenagers, so the music industry tailors it's product to those who do. Is it because we 40 year olds can afford convertibles and teenagers can't? I wonder if rich teenagers ever veg out listening to music? Or do they instead drive around in Ferraris mocking 40 year olds in their convertibles?expresswrittenconsent said:
Oh hey, a thread full of 40 yr old white dudes complaining that music is no longer made for them.
Popular music has been targeting teens since "teenagers" were invented in the post ww2 1950s. This thread isn't really about how music has changed, its about people struggling to accept they are no longer in a relevant demographic. Go get a convertible, this is classic midlife crisis.
But the real question is why does teenage music suck to 40 year olds every generation for the past 100 years or so? I assume teenagers in 1830 liked Beethoven every bit as much as their parents (those who heard it). What changed? And why is the difference so drastic with music? My kids tend to like many of the same movies I do. We sorta like the same TV shows (not so much my youngest daughter.. vampire diaries sucks). Why so different with music?
My kids are more likely to like my music than theirs when it's on the radio. But I think that's because they now only play the cream of the crop from 20 years ago. Not the crap that filled in 50% of the airtime back then. So that's a tainted sample
The problem is cultural. People listened to R&B because you screw to it. In the 2000s forward, the most important aspect of music is "can you grind in the club to it"?
Maybe that's too hyperbolic but you see the function of music (rap and pop) in the last two decades is to get drinking girls to dance.
Maybe that's too hyperbolic but you see the function of music (rap and pop) in the last two decades is to get drinking girls to dance.
I had a physics prof talk about this in class when I was there. He said that when number of clubs exploded beyond the supply of decent bands, that they started using speakers and recorded music. Back in those days, magnet technology wasn't capable of producing bass worth a damn, so that's when disco was popular. Then magnets caught up, and clubs started playing rap and stuff.The Debt said:
The problem is cultural. People listened to R&B because you screw to it. In the 2000s forward, the most important aspect of music is "can you grind in the club to it"?
Maybe that's too hyperbolic but you see the function of music (rap and pop) in the last two decades is to get drinking girls to dance.
Every new thing would get copied and overused for a while. When bass was new, every rapper was bassing their ears off. When synthesizers were big, they were used a ton (early 80s). Then there pendulum would swing the other way a little.
So perhaps the electric guitars have played out. I'll admit that some of the rock music I thought was "awesome" back in the day is sorta cringworthy now. My kids think all the hair bands look ******ed. And they are right. I remember back when I was in HS and local high school dudes were making their own bands they ALL were doing that stupid hair spray crap.
The question is, will the electric guitar pendulum ever swing back, or is it another harpsichord?
Hair bands look stupid af, but still rock as hard as ever.
Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of songs I still like. And they are way better than that throat growling crap nowadays. And are INFINITELY better than the boy bands after.AggieChemist said:
Hair bands look stupid af, but still rock as hard as ever.
But there is something lame to me about 25 year olds singing about smoking in the boys room at school. The whole "bad boy" thing is eye roll inducing now.
Guy in his 50's here. Some newer bands I like:
Greta Van Fleet
The Struts
The Darkness
Gary Clark, Jr.
Allman-Betts Band
Greta Van Fleet
The Struts
The Darkness
Gary Clark, Jr.
Allman-Betts Band
The darkness dropped their first album like 20 years ago now.
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