One thing I never understood was why Mads was originally taken and sent to 2019. Also why the two other kids were killed and sent back to 1953? Was it purely from a "we killed them in the last timeline, so we have to kill them in the current timeline" sort of thing?

Champ Bailey said:

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One thing I never understood was why Mads was originally taken and sent to 2019. Also why the two other kids were killed and sent back to 1953? Was it purely from a "we killed them in the last timeline, so we have to kill them in the current timeline" sort of thing?

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I think it was Noah trying to send Helge back to where he belonged after he got pulled into the 80's when Jonah got pushed into the post apocalyptic time. They were the test victims

That's my thought process anyway.

This is the conclusion I've come to pretty much. A combination of that and what Champ said, "filling in the gaps".

schmendeler said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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One thing I never understood was why Mads was originally taken and sent to 2019. Also why the two other kids were killed and sent back to 1953? Was it purely from a "we killed them in the last timeline, so we have to kill them in the current timeline" sort of thing?

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I think it was Noah trying to send Helge back to where he belonged after he got pulled into the 80's when Jonah got pushed into the post apocalyptic time. They were the test victims

That's my thought process anyway.

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plus if Mads never disappears than Ulric never becomes a cop (remember his whole motivation for joining the police force was to make sure nothing like that happened again).

schmendeler said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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One thing I never understood was why Mads was originally taken and sent to 2019. Also why the two other kids were killed and sent back to 1953? Was it purely from a "we killed them in the last timeline, so we have to kill them in the current timeline" sort of thing?

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I think it was Noah trying to send Helge back to where he belonged after he got pulled into the 80's when Jonah got pushed into the post apocalyptic time. They were the test victims

That's my thought process anyway.

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Correct. Really dire thought about this though - as they were trying to make the time machine work, they accidentally killed a couple of kids. But since they had to make everything happen the same way, part of the script was continuously killing those two kids over and over...

So what's the moral of this story? I'll give my thoughts:

I took it almost as a religious message. The idea that bad things are going to happen in life, but you need to accept that and move on. In the real world, you cannot change the past. In this world you CAN change the past, but all it does is cause a host of unintended consequences that are worse than the original timeline.

Now, every once and a while, some 'guardian angels' will appear and ensure a couple doesn't drive off a bridge. Maybe it's a case of God making a mistake and fixing it retroactively...

Otherwise, I think the moral is the past can't change, and we're on the best timeline, so be happy with what you've got. Your obsession over changing the past will consume you fully. Similar to the theme in The Prestige.

For me the moral of the story is that Ulrich hates Egon.

I grew up in a town of 2500 people (2A high school) and this is absolutely the truth.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Yeah, I saw a meme the other day that he has basically only played a German officer his entire career.

Blatant Disregard said:

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So what's the moral of this story? I'll give my thoughts:

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Trying to erase things that have already happened in your life only makes you become the person you hate.

Oh and one thing that happened in season 2, but now have more clarity:

Jonah made Noah kill his own father when he was just a child.

The Jonas brothers one gets me every time!!

This show is horrible. I've got 2 episodes left of S3 that I'm forcing myself to watch. S1 and S2 gripped me but FFS this last season is terribad. I'm not gonna read 300+ replies to validate my opinion. But FFS if Netflix can warn about smoking, can they please warn about preteens having sex! I get they're adults, I hope, but good lowered. I don't need to see teens having sex.

How the **** is BB that low?!

i liked TURN a lot, but honestly kind of amazed it's that high.

I loved Turn but never finished it likely a have to have a re watch to finish it

Just finished this. Not perfect but considering how complicated the plot/timelines are I am shocked at how well they wrapped this up. Easily one of the most satisfying conclusions I've watched.

Finally finished this show and loved it. Thinking about it over the last couple weeks actually kept me up at times ha. Surprised no one mentioned Jonas murdering Hannah. Thats some wild *****

This thread has cleared up a lot but I'm going to have to rewatch the entire thing again though because there absolutely were some things I didn't pick up on.

After many recommendations across the last couple years (including here on texags), I finally sat down and watched this.

I've read through the season 1 and 2 Dark threads here on texags and just finished reading through the season 3 discussion on this thread. I also perused the top posts of all time on the dark subreddit.

Season 1 and 2 were amazing. Season 3 had some good moments and I feel did a good job closing a lot of the loops in nice ways... But I thought it was a much poorer season than the first 2.

Good job to BES, bobinator and the reddit folks in general who nailed the Adam and eve storyline prior to the start of season 3.

I know some didn't like the third world because it was "introduced at the 12th hour" but I thought it was well done and followed the theme set up from the very beginning (triality vs duality). The line at the end of season 2 (not when but what world) basically set it up in my mind that there would be 3 worlds.

My biggest gripe is with alexander/Boris storyline. The whole Clausen/Boris storyline from season 2 makes sense in that the story needed someone to "open the containers" and set off the apocalypse (something that is done by Charlotte and Ulrich in alt Eva's world)... And yet, I am just disappointed there was nothing more to Boris. A lot of time, space and mystery was set up in seasons 1 and 2 in his coming to winden, the murder in 86, marriage to Regina, power plant head, hannahs ultimatum to ruin either Ulrich or Charlotte (depending on universe), etc., and it was really all just one massive red herring? If that is really the case, how did this kid with little/no background in nuclear energy become head of the nuclear power plant after Claudia disappeared? If I'm understanding correctly, Boris shows up in 86 and Claudia disappears in 87... So Boris gets one year of experience and then takes over as head??

Maybe I'm nitpicking but I think something changed in the storyline there from season 1/2 to season 3. Or maybe I'm just not understanding it. I think it would have made a lot more sense for him to be a part of Noah or the alt Eva's "pieces" they put into play and that he gets to be where he is at the plant due to the triumpharate/3 unknown meddling like they did in other parts of season 3 to make sure he was the head of the plant and in place for the apocalypse.

The only other complaint and where I think the show failed in season 3 is all the back and forth with "trust". Jonas, you have to trust me/not him/only me/not her/neither/everyone/no one/only yourself/both/etc. I think the first 2 seasons did a better job of providing the viewer a way to understand what was going on, even if the character (typically Jonas) was confused in the show. As an example, I loved that the show was typically able to just move to another time seamlessly in season 1 and 2 without needing to show the viewer the date in big letters; everything was explained well enough and shown well enough that there was no need to tell us exactly what date/time we were in. Season 3 basically had to do the weird zoom noise and show the date every time we jumped worlds and time; even the show writers thought it'd be too confusing just jumping around. Another example would be the amount of pauses in season 3 that I needed to do to try to understand what was happening and process the implications was dramatically increased from seasons 1/2.

I think this show may have had the worst English dubs I've ever seen, although they definitely got better in season 2 and 3. As someone who watches everything with subtitles anyway, I will admit I still watched it with the English dubs... With so much complexity in the show, it was nice to basically get the information twice so my mind could process it; I'd hear the information first and then read it second (and use my imagination to make the dubbed voices not sound so bad).

I know this thread is basically over but I just wanted to share my thoughts after reading everyone else's. I'm also surprised that TTCTS wasn't in on this watch as I enjoy his thoughts. I definitely think this show would have benefitted from a weekly release schedule (but I am personally glad that I was able to binge watch it).

In 100% agreement on Alexander/Boris.

Right but boris had one year under Claudia, but it isn't like he then took over as a teenager. I'm sure a year as an insider for the boss got him some connections and he just used them to his advantage over the years. Of he was shrewd and ok with keeping secrets I could see how it eventually happened.

But yes I do understand that it is the largest hole in the story. I wish that it was fleshed out more and I was upset it was not fleshed out more.

Your entire viewing of the show is rendered mute by your admission you watched the english dubs... not even the subtitles bails you out on that one.

Gonna have to agree. The dub is just awful. I don't know why you did that to yourself.