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Wow.

John's entire demeanor changes when Billy Preston walks in. Suddenly John is in charge again leading rehearsals. He literally comes alive and they bang out Got a Feeling and John instantly after says "you're in the group."

John then feels the motivation to belt out Don't Let Me Down like it is meant to be and loves Billy's piano but is critical of his own voice - he doesn't want to come up short of Billy's playing. I love that tune I cannot believe it was left off the Let it Be album as it was a major part of the rooftop concert. But it was the B side to the Get Back single and put on the Let it Be Naked re-releases a few years ago which removed all the overdubs Phil Spector did. It's easily one of the most stripped bare Lennon tunes that shows real emotion and feeling.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:


Wow.

John's entire demeanor changes when Billy Preston walks in. Suddenly John is in charge again leading rehearsals. He literally comes alive and they bang out Got a Feeling and John instantly after says "you're in the group."

John then feels the motivation to belt out Don't Let Me Down like it is meant to be and loves Billy's piano but is critical of his own voice - he doesn't want to come up short of Billy's playing. I love that tune I cannot believe it was left off the Let it Be album as it was a major part of the rooftop concert. But it was the B side to the Get Back single and put on the Let it Be Naked re-releases a few years ago which removed all the overdubs Phil Spector did. It's easily one of the most stripped bare Lennon tunes that shows real emotion and feeling.


They claimed in the film that Billy just happened to stop by while he was in town doing a TV spot. I have a feeling that John told him to come in and play it off like that.
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In the very beginning of episode 1, all of them talked about keyboard players they admired and George brought up Preston and how they had all heard him play before with Ray Charles' band. Some serious foreshadowing! And Preston was a huge talent who let drugs do him in.
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The thing I have loved most about this film is it makes it apparent that no matter what disagreements they have had, they all are animated by playing music together. In the studio rehearsing, goofing off jamming, and particularly playing on the roof.
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And quite suddenly there they are, the Beatles, five stories up, wind-ruffled and magnificent in their furs and beards, harmonizing, enjoying one another, with the grayness of rooftop London feasting on their final flaming-out colors. Everybody had a wet dream, everybody saw the sun shine … My God, they're beautiful.
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InternetFan02 said:

I love everything about the film and the discussions about it this week and I can't stop thinking about it. One of the scenes sticking with me most is the montage with Two of Us in the background. In my current Beatles deep dive I came across this random TV movie Two of Us from 2000 starring Jared Harris!!! as John and Aidan Quinn as Paul about a fictional meeting between the 2 in 1976. Free on youtube.




I just started watching this (it's kind of fascinatingly bad?), but noticed it's directed by none other than Michael Lindsay-Hogg! (he was the ridiculous director in Get Back. You know, who wanted to do the concert at a children's hospital? But not where they're very sick, you know, just broken legs and such)
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Ok, I finally finished it, and I have to say as a whole it was really good. I was worried about halfway through the first episode, but once they moved to Apple and brought in BP it started picking up steam.

Loved that we got a preview of Something. IMO that song is a masterpiece, and its without a doubt my fav song in their catalog.

It's been forever since I watched the Let it Be film, but I do remember it being totally different from this film and not very good.
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Finally finished all 9 hours - loved it but can't imagine watching it all in one sitting - liked taking it an hour at a time, not sure why they didn't make it 8 hour episodes rather than the 3-3 hour blocks. The visuals are stunning and I saw a clip where Peter Jackson talked about cleaning up the grainy, chunky footage and the result is terrific.
Highlights and scenes that stood out for me
* Seeing Get Back, Long and Winding Road, Let it Be, Octopus Garden, Two of Us, and some of George's songs created from the ground up was amazing
*Seeing them play Love Me Do, Run for your Life, Kansas City, Twist and Shout while just goofing around was fun
*Michael Lindsay Hogg really wanted to go to Libya for the concert
*The drugs - not like a crazed out of your mind everywhere and all the time - few spliffies here and there, Ringos pep pills, john and yokos spiked tea, and John was in an altered state some of the time
*George's teeth - ack!
*George working on Something, the rest of the group could tell he had a classic, and George actually the first one to float the idea of a solo album
*Look on Paul's face when Billy Preston starts playing
*BP was an absolute joy to watch and terrific musician, didn't care about getting paid, just kept showing up because he liked the groove!
*Red headed Kevin - best intern job ever?
*Mal Evans looks suspiciously like the character from cartoon Yellow Submarine
*How little George Martin was involved compared to early days
*How much Glyn Johns was involved - he also produced for Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Eagles and The Stones
* The Beatles on the roof, we had all seen before, but there in their fur coats, getting ready to perform in public was awesome
*Look on Paul's face when he sees the cops on the roof! He was excited!
*How much John's voice sounded like crap in the studio and how great it sounded on the roof
*How tight the band was on the roof
*Where are those cops now and did they ever figure out their part in music history
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The other thing that I find amazing with is how young they were. At the time of filming I believe John and Ringo were 28, Paul was 26, and George was 25.
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I'm about an hour into the first episode, and two things have stood out to me so far.

1. When George is trying to explain to Paul that he wants to be more involved in the songwriting process, he seems very dismissive of him. Can definitely understand why he'd want to leave the band after seeing that.

2. Even though she hasn't spoken yet, I can't help but wonder why the hell Yoko is there. No other spouses or girlfriends are there.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I'm about an hour into the first episode, and two things have stood out to me so far.

1. When George is trying to explain to Paul that he wants to be more involved in the songwriting process, he seems very dismissive of him. Can definitely understand why he'd want to leave the band after seeing that.

2. Even though she hasn't spoken yet, I can't help but wonder why the hell Yoko is there. No other spouses or girlfriends are there.
Linda shows up later in the first episode, and George brings along a couple Hare Krishna buddies - who to be fair do stay out of the way.

But I think the answer is Yoko was very controlling and didn't want to let John out of her sight for fear that his eye would wander.
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LawHall88 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

I'm about an hour into the first episode, and two things have stood out to me so far.

1. When George is trying to explain to Paul that he wants to be more involved in the songwriting process, he seems very dismissive of him. Can definitely understand why he'd want to leave the band after seeing that.

2. Even though she hasn't spoken yet, I can't help but wonder why the hell Yoko is there. No other spouses or girlfriends are there.
Linda shows up later in the first episode, and George brings along a couple Hare Krishna buddies - who to be fair do stay out of the way.

But I think the answer is Yoko was very controlling and didn't want to let John out of her sight for fear that his eye would wander.

Also later on the band meeting at George's House on Sunday after he quits - the report from after that via Paul, Linda and Ringo is that Yoko did ALL of the talking for John at that meeting. They were definitely put off by that.

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Saw the comment above about Paul lighting up as Billy Preston started playing.

John's entire demeanor changed too. He suddenly was up and involved and was leading the rehearsals after that, calling out the songs, talking to the recording engineer constantly, etc.

Marked difference.

I almost think the concert and even the album maybe would not have even happened if not for that. Because only then were they running through those songs completely and felt like they needed that added sound.

John's immediate comment to Billy after 1 song was - "you're in the band".

It changed everything.


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John's immediate comment to Billy after 1 song was - "you're in the band".

It changed everything.

And Paul added something to the effect of, "It's hard enough with four."
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Um, does nobody hear Paul writing Let It Be?
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The figuring out what turns out to be classic songs is pretty amazing. The rest is a bit of a slog if I'm being honest.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

HerschelwoodHardhead said:

Agreed. He may not be the best drummer, but he's the best drummer for the Beatles. Last thing they needed was another ego-driven genius in their band.

Also, I know everyone hates Yoko and her "art" is very annoying. But I will say, I'm two episodes in and don't find her as deplorable as I expected. She just hangs in the background and doesn't interfere too much. She's no more of a distraction than Linda McCartney or the random Hari Krishnas. She seems to keep Lennon happy and focused on making music, which is all you can ask of a rock groupie girlfriend.

It seems obvious from this doc that the Beatles broke up for their own creative reasons, and it wasn't caused by Yoko.

It's a little early to say it wasn't Yoko.

Recall that this was not the last album they recorded. She might have been reigning it in herself with the cameras rolling.

They went into the studio just 3 weeks after the chaos of Let it Be recordings ended which was a frenetic month. And the Abbey Road sessions lasted 5 months.

Who knows what transpired in that time. Creative differences were definitely at their height as John rebelled against Pauls sappier songs and was rebuffed on having his songs as A sides of many singles. Paul got the nod and John resented him more and more and was already taking material to his plastic ono band on the side. He was highly disinterested in Beatles stuff feeling it had runs its course and having more interest in peace love and yoko.

While I agree it was mostly creative differences - I think the seeds of that were there from the Let it Be sessions and Yoko becomes more and more disruptive it is just that we do not have film of those sessions.



True, we only have a limited window here. I agree with you, my only caveat would be that if the band didn't have the fundamental creative conflicts, then Yoko would never be a threat. If John wanted to stay, he wouldn't let Yoko have that much power. I think the rest of the band knows it too, cause Paul says something to that effect of "John will pick Yoko over us".

I just got the feeling that the band had clearly run its course and would have broken up within a year or so, regardless of the groupies (like Yoko) hanging around. I believe the groupies are a symptom, not the cause.
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Yoko might not have caused the breakup but she didn't help.

She is absolutely the reason they didn't reunite in any capacity.
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Sazerac said:

The figuring out what turns out to be classic songs is pretty amazing. The rest is a bit of a slog if I'm being honest.

I agree, and I'm an old Beatles fan.

Talent aside, John was pretty annoying at times. I wonder if that was because of the camera's presence or not.
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Duckhook said:

Sazerac said:

The figuring out what turns out to be classic songs is pretty amazing. The rest is a bit of a slog if I'm being honest.

I agree, and I'm an old Beatles fan.

Talent aside, John was pretty annoying at times. I wonder if that was because of the camera's presence or not.
It did seem like he was the Beatle that was performing directly to the camera the most.
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Talent aside, John was pretty annoying at times. I wonder if that was because of the camera's presence or not.

I have no idea if this is true, but he acts as if he is on something.
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As someone else mentioned, John was on heroin at the time
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I really enjoyed it.

For Paul, truly amazing to watch him work. When he was sitting at the piano and said something like "These keys hold the notes to every song already written and to be written, you just have to pull them out" or something like that was a real look into his genius IMO. I have zero artistic ability but when I hear some of his music I see images of equations and graphs in my head. I think he taps into basic mathematical concepts that are pleasing to the brain in a lot of cases.

For Ringo, very solid. The drummer keeps the pace and he never falters. I had a drummer friend tell me once that with the drums, the genius isn't the complexity of the music but "when" certain things are done to move the music ahead or to support the other parts. In this lens, he is a genius.

George underestimates himself and keeps comparing himself to Clapton, but they are two different styles. I didn't really have any other thoughts about him.

Of course John was having issues. In one scene he takes drugs out of his pocket, sees the camera on him, and slips it back into the pocket. Obviously he was whacked out several times and nothing could get done. Yoko was just a freaking weirdo.

As a group, when it was just the 4-5 of them you could feel the connection and the joy. As someone said, the oldest one was 28 and they look and act like they're 40 years old. Totally burned out with it. They couldn't have continued on much longer anyway IMO.

I was also struck by how crappy their equipment and furniture was in their studio. It looked like a lot of the chairs and wood partitions were picked up off the street on garbage day. These were the freaking Beatles and they just cobbled together whatever they could dig up. Weird.

All in all, an enjoyable viewing. . .
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These were the freaking Beatles and they just cobbled together whatever they could dig up. Weird.
I said the same thing. They were arguing about how expensive the set would be they were talking about building, and not being able to get a 8-track recorder, so they had to borrow George's. They're the Beatles, they can afford anything. But I think this also shows just how little money would make it back to the hands of artists back in those days. A lot has changed in how musicians make money since then.
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Did anyone else find themselves yelling lyrics to the screen when they were trying different things out.
Lennon helping George figure out the lyrics to Something: "Attracts me like a pomegranate"
Me: "It's no other lover dummy!"

If you've ever find deep meaning in the Beatles song lyrics, does that stuff change your mind? That they didn't seem to put much thought into lyrics, they were more worried about the melody then jamming in words that fit. The actual words seemed like an afterthought sometimes.
How many times did the meaning of Get Back change during the documentary?
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If you've ever find deep meaning in the Beatles song lyrics, does that stuff change your mind? That they didn't seem to put much thought into lyrics, they were more worried about the melody then jamming in words that fit. The actual words seemed like an afterthought sometimes.

How many times did the meaning of Get Back change during the documentary?
Excellent point.

I never found much deep meaning in their songs anyway, but the song Get Back is a great example of what you're saying.

The documentary goes to great lengths to show the song arising as a protest against the anti-immigration movement, but that all disappears by the final version.
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Quad Dog said:

Did anyone else find themselves yelling lyrics to the screen when they were trying different things out.
Lennon helping George figure out the lyrics to Something: "Attracts me like a pomegranate"
Me: "It's no other lover dummy!"
and "...left his home in da-da Arizona..."
Me: "It's Tuscon dummy!"
Later: "Is that in Arizona?"
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rynning said:

Quad Dog said:

Did anyone else find themselves yelling lyrics to the screen when they were trying different things out.
Lennon helping George figure out the lyrics to Something: "Attracts me like a pomegranate"
Me: "It's no other lover dummy!"
and "...left his home in da-da Arizona..."
Me: "It's Tuscon dummy!"
Later: "Is that in Arizona?"
Funny how Paul watching the show High Chaparral lead to that lyric.
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Yeah it definitely makes you realize all the Beatles nonsensical lyrics are just that. They keep modifying the lyrics so much as they go and take on different meanings even. Right up until the final cut. I actually enjoyed all the spontaneous riffs with comical words. John in particular seemed to enjoy twisting lyrics and making jokes really even of established songs, parodying earlier Beatles songs, etc.

Paul literally just seems to want to find words that sound right musically and not so much any deep meaning. He tries a hundred different words or names in some songs and locations on Get Back for example.

Seems different than a lot of artists who seem to write lyrics specifically and then work music around it.

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Quad Dog said:


If you've ever find deep meaning in the Beatles song lyrics, does that stuff change your mind? That they didn't seem to put much thought into lyrics, they were more worried about the melody then jamming in words that fit. The actual words seemed like an afterthought sometimes.
This is generally how it's done.

Nirvana, metallica.. on and on.


Elton John was a glaring exception, exclusively putting melodies to words already written.
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HerschelwoodHardhead said:

Zombie Jon Snow said:

HerschelwoodHardhead said:

Agreed. He may not be the best drummer, but he's the best drummer for the Beatles. Last thing they needed was another ego-driven genius in their band.

Also, I know everyone hates Yoko and her "art" is very annoying. But I will say, I'm two episodes in and don't find her as deplorable as I expected. She just hangs in the background and doesn't interfere too much. She's no more of a distraction than Linda McCartney or the random Hari Krishnas. She seems to keep Lennon happy and focused on making music, which is all you can ask of a rock groupie girlfriend.

It seems obvious from this doc that the Beatles broke up for their own creative reasons, and it wasn't caused by Yoko.

It's a little early to say it wasn't Yoko.

Recall that this was not the last album they recorded. She might have been reigning it in herself with the cameras rolling.

They went into the studio just 3 weeks after the chaos of Let it Be recordings ended which was a frenetic month. And the Abbey Road sessions lasted 5 months.

Who knows what transpired in that time. Creative differences were definitely at their height as John rebelled against Pauls sappier songs and was rebuffed on having his songs as A sides of many singles. Paul got the nod and John resented him more and more and was already taking material to his plastic ono band on the side. He was highly disinterested in Beatles stuff feeling it had runs its course and having more interest in peace love and yoko.

While I agree it was mostly creative differences - I think the seeds of that were there from the Let it Be sessions and Yoko becomes more and more disruptive it is just that we do not have film of those sessions.



True, we only have a limited window here. I agree with you, my only caveat would be that if the band didn't have the fundamental creative conflicts, then Yoko would never be a threat. If John wanted to stay, he wouldn't let Yoko have that much power. I think the rest of the band knows it too, cause Paul says something to that effect of "John will pick Yoko over us".

I just got the feeling that the band had clearly run its course and would have broken up within a year or so, regardless of the groupies (like Yoko) hanging around. I believe the groupies are a symptom, not the cause.


Understatement. I saw an interview of John from the 70's in which he was asked if he would ever like to get the band back together and his reply was a swift and dry "Do YOU want to go back to high school?".
The project has run its course.
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Big Al 1992 said:

Finally finished all 9 hours - loved it but can't imagine watching it all in one sitting - liked taking it an hour at a time, not sure why they didn't make it 8 hour episodes rather than the 3-3 hour blocks. The visuals are stunning and I saw a clip where Peter Jackson talked about cleaning up the grainy, chunky footage and the result is terrific.
Highlights and scenes that stood out for me
* Seeing Get Back, Long and Winding Road, Let it Be, Octopus Garden, Two of Us, and some of George's songs created from the ground up was amazing
*Seeing them play Love Me Do, Run for your Life, Kansas City, Twist and Shout while just goofing around was fun
*Michael Lindsay Hogg really wanted to go to Libya for the concert
*The drugs - not like a crazed out of your mind everywhere and all the time - few spliffies here and there, Ringos pep pills, john and yokos spiked tea, and John was in an altered state some of the time
*George's teeth - ack!
*George working on Something, the rest of the group could tell he had a classic, and George actually the first one to float the idea of a solo album
*Look on Paul's face when Billy Preston starts playing
*BP was an absolute joy to watch and terrific musician, didn't care about getting paid, just kept showing up because he liked the groove!
*Red headed Kevin - best intern job ever?
*Mal Evans looks suspiciously like the character from cartoon Yellow Submarine
*How little George Martin was involved compared to early days
*How much Glyn Johns was involved - he also produced for Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Eagles and The Stones
* The Beatles on the roof, we had all seen before, but there in their fur coats, getting ready to perform in public was awesome
*Look on Paul's face when he sees the cops on the roof! He was excited!
*How much John's voice sounded like crap in the studio and how great it sounded on the roof
*How tight the band was on the roof
*Where are those cops now and did they ever figure out their part in music history


How about some dude named Alan Parsons running the tape on those sessions?
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Ringo is the best. So chill. I'm 40 minutes into part 2 and he's the only one who never fights with anyone.
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SWC Ag said:

Big Al 1992 said:

Finally finished all 9 hours - loved it but can't imagine watching it all in one sitting - liked taking it an hour at a time, not sure why they didn't make it 8 hour episodes rather than the 3-3 hour blocks. The visuals are stunning and I saw a clip where Peter Jackson talked about cleaning up the grainy, chunky footage and the result is terrific.
Highlights and scenes that stood out for me
* Seeing Get Back, Long and Winding Road, Let it Be, Octopus Garden, Two of Us, and some of George's songs created from the ground up was amazing
*Seeing them play Love Me Do, Run for your Life, Kansas City, Twist and Shout while just goofing around was fun
*Michael Lindsay Hogg really wanted to go to Libya for the concert
*The drugs - not like a crazed out of your mind everywhere and all the time - few spliffies here and there, Ringos pep pills, john and yokos spiked tea, and John was in an altered state some of the time
*George's teeth - ack!
*George working on Something, the rest of the group could tell he had a classic, and George actually the first one to float the idea of a solo album
*Look on Paul's face when Billy Preston starts playing
*BP was an absolute joy to watch and terrific musician, didn't care about getting paid, just kept showing up because he liked the groove!
*Red headed Kevin - best intern job ever?
*Mal Evans looks suspiciously like the character from cartoon Yellow Submarine
*How little George Martin was involved compared to early days
*How much Glyn Johns was involved - he also produced for Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Eagles and The Stones
* The Beatles on the roof, we had all seen before, but there in their fur coats, getting ready to perform in public was awesome
*Look on Paul's face when he sees the cops on the roof! He was excited!
*How much John's voice sounded like crap in the studio and how great it sounded on the roof
*How tight the band was on the roof
*Where are those cops now and did they ever figure out their part in music history


How about some dude named Alan Parsons running the tape on those sessions?
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Peter Jackson forgot to include Gary Thump.



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Random notes from Ep 3.....

George was completely genuine in helping Ringo work out the chords for Octopus's Garden. That was very endearing and so different from how Paul and John work with George by comparison.

Fascinating to see that performance for "Dig It" that made it on the album was spontaneous in studio while Linda's kid was running around and they were jamming. Started out as I Told Her Before; with her screaming noises into the microphone mocking Yoko really made me laugh. Even the kid knew it was nonsense. Then it morphed into Twist and Shout and finally John's "Dig It" lyrics about the Rolling Stones, FBI, CIA, BBC, Doris Day, etc. I have a new appreciation for that which seemed like a throwaway and it was but in context it is endearing.

How they go from just fooling around and Ringo asleep to recording the final version of Long and Winding Road was interesting. They talked about a lot of either string or brass overdubs but that never happened with them - Spector did it in April 1970 with only Ringo present.

Even Paul saying his songs are melancholy and plodding a bit about Let it Be and Long and Winding Road.

Thank god for Billy Preston or NONE of this happens. they could not do the rooftop concert without him.


THE ROOFTOP CONCERT

This was a marvel. I've seen clips, trailers, individuals performances, etc. I've never actually seen the 1970 movie and certainly never seen the entire concert.

It was genius. It was so good to see them in that moment.

What I have seen before, in parts and between numbers, came off a little odd - just the nature of it I suppose like the crowd reactions of why are they doing it - but also their personalities within it were oddly comical and playful by themselves with no perspective.

But now in the context of the 8 hours we saw before this in the studio, it makes sense and you see the personalities we now know so well (from that time period) and why they were joking around. And they just seemed fresh, alive, having fun, etc.

And of course the way they put all those rehearsal hours into this performance - they could still do a show. It must have felt great for them again, for a little while anyway. Even George who was most reluctant seemed to be enjoying it in the moment. But I'm sure after it felt more like a finale at least for live stuff.


Side note: Those cops in the lobby and on the roof - lol - what a couple of tightwads. Tough spot to be in but I love once they get to the roof and they are not that forceful to shut it down. Who is gonna look at John, Paul, George and Ringo and say you can't do this. Had to be star struck. I notice they never spoke to the band. lol. The Sgt. that comes along after the first two was the real authority. Even he was rather daunted by it all once he got up there. Paul looked absolutely thrilled to have them being rebellious and ad libbing lyrics about being arrested. I think he would have loved if they drug them off cuffed. Then the cops simply exit to the street dispersing the crowd - as if they did ANYTHING to shut it down.


And then they were ALL so pleased with themselves listening to it back in the studio.


I am so glad this was made. But in the end..... it made me very sad. Sad at seeing the end, in a way, even though Abbey Road came after this, most of those songs came out of these sessions it was just coming back and recording them for the album and producing the overdubs, etc. This was the climactic end of the Beatles really.

 
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