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Checking in, you don't have to read if you don't want to.

  • I've played at least 5 minutes every day since Dec 28.
  • I can play almost all the major chords and many other chords that are simple.
  • I'm actually getting better at switching between chords without having to stop.
  • I still haven't learned a complete song yet, but ok.
  • My finger tips are calloused.
  • I used to watch people play on videos and think how do they get their fingers like that. I was watching myself play on my webcam today and was like, wow, that looks like a guitar player.
  • I still can't read tabs or music and still don't know much about music.
  • My first live lesson is Tuesday.
  • Wheatables doesn't know who I am based on my new user name, but we've met many times and live in the same neighborhood. I've done yoga with his wife. (Literally yoga)
  • I'm really starting to feel I might be able to learn to play.
  • I don't understand about 90% of the advice on this thread, but I can always go back and look when I know more. So thanks everyone.



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Stick to it, keep it going!
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Chipotlemonger said:

Stick to it, keep it going!
Thanks. I'm actually proud of my progress even thought I'm still a beginner.

I've found that most people don't understand what a beginner truly is.
Lathspell
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"Beginner" is a subjective term.

One can be a beginner guitar player but have a base knowledge of music theory from having learned another instrument. A beginner at guitar that understands even simple music theory can have a conversation on chords and chord arrangements.

Tabs are easy to read; it takes zero music knowledge. There is no reason why someone who can count to 24 can't read tabs. Saying you can't read tabs because you don't know guitar is like saying you can't read the instructions that Ikea gives you because you don't know how to put a bookshelf together.

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/how-to-read-tab-and-chord-boxes-bc-108

Also, just like when you learn to shoot a gun, you should start with knowing the parts to the guitar. You don't need to get into the inner workings of how pickups, pots, and caps work together, or how to wire it. But you should be able to define the following terms. If you can't, then learn today:

Body
Neck
Strings
Fretboard
Position Markers
Truss Rod/Cover
Fret
Nut
Bridge
Pickup
Tuners/ Tuning Pegs/ Machine heads
Headstock
Pickguard
Stop bar/Tailpiece (Electric)
Jack (Electric)
Tone/Volume Knobs (Electric)
Selector Switch (Electric)

If you are going to learn an instrument, you should at least have an understanding of the following:

Key - What key are you playing in? At least understand you ARE playing in a key. It is good to know what key that is, so you learn which chords are in that key. Otherwise you will never learn WHY you are playing what you are playing.

Triad - three note chord. You don't have to start out knowing every note in every chord, but know how to play a triad on the guitar. Basic Triad is the Root, the 5th, and the 3rd.

Chord (Major and Minor) - What chord are you playing, and is it a major or minor? Basics to play in a standard major key. Know what makes a Major and Minor chord, at least with your fingers. A Minor chord simply drops the 3rd of the Triad a half step. Should you know what this means? Not necessarily in words, but look at the difference between a C major and a C minor in tablature form. Anyone can see the difference and infer what the 3rd is and what a half step is.

Power Chord - Play the root and the 5th. Used in rock music. Basically doesn't play the 3rd of the triad. Sometimes you add the octave to the chord.

Root - the main note of the chord. A C major chord has the C as the root.

5th - Don't have to know exactly what the note is. At least know which finger is holding down the 5th of the chord you are playing. It's a simple shape you should learn immediately when the root is either on the E string or the A string.

Octave - This is simply the same note, but 8 steps higher, in the key. If you are playing a C chord, the octave is the next highest C note.

3rd - The last piece to the triad. Again, don't need to know the actual note to get started, but learn where it is, relative to the root, the 5th, and the octave.

When playing a barre chord, the Root, 5th, octave and 3rd can can be moved up and down the fretboard to make major and minor chords. It is the exact same shape if the root is on the E string, and the exact same shape if the root is on the A string.
Rudyjax
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Helpful.
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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what is your best suggestion for learning all of the above? i'm kind of in a strange spot with my progression. i played as a teenager enough to learn the basics such as chords, strumming patterns, etc. but quickly ditched it for the bass to play in bands. no lessons or anything, but i am a pretty good mimic. i picked up the guitar again several months ago and have gotten pretty obsessed with it. for example, i just learned to play plush by stp in about 5-10 minutes on my lunch break but i was still just mimicking someone (marty music). i can play a lot of blues and rock stuff but only if i can mimic someone.

how or where do i go to learn everything in your post and progress to start playing by ear?
Lathspell
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The site I linked. There have been some great suggestions on this thread from others. I believe others have mentioned Justin Guitar. He has been around forever. I used to use his site.

I am probably not the best to ask where to go to learn this stuff. I came to guitar from the piano, so I had that basic foundation to begin with. I was going through my scales, chords, and arpeggios book before I stopped taking piano lessons.

I can tell you, when I started learning piano, I started with what a triad was, and a basic I, IV ,V7 progression in C. Also learned the key of C. I then learned a song or two in that key.

In piano, you learn the key of C first because there are no sharps or flats. In guitar, it doesn't matter. It is much easier to transpose a song from C to F on guitar than it is on piano.

Pick a song in C or G because you can use a lot of open chords, or "cowboy" chords. Learn that key. Learn the notes in the key. Learn the scales. Learn the chords in the key. That will help you understand chord progressions. You can then take that, and move it up and down the fretboard.

Or just learn a song. I all depends on whether your goal is to learn to play some songs on the guitar or learn to play the guitar.
Rudyjax
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Most of what you're saying is way over my head. It's ok. Everything makes more sense as I learn more.
MW03
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I can't be the only one who reads the OP's name in every post, and it makes everything sound really exasperated.

"Look guys...most of what you're saying is over my head."

Every. Single. Time.
Lathspell
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Look guys... said:

Most of what you're saying is way over my head. It's ok. Everything makes more sense as I learn more.
You say you have learned many chords. Let's start there. Let's start with the key of G. Do you like Pink Floyd?

https://www.justinguitar.com/songs/pink-floyd-wish-you-were-here-1-4-chords-tabs-guitar-lesson-st-301

Let's bypass the opening part of the song and go to the verse. The chord progression in the verse for Wish You Were Here is:

C, D, Am, G
D, C, Am, G

I am simplifying this chord progression because I believe there are some "slash" chords, hammer-ons/pull-offs, and augmented chords in there.

Now, let's understand what saying "The Key of G" means:

The ROOT for the key of G Major is G. The G Major key includes:

G Major - The first chord/note in the key. or the "I" chord.
A Minor - The second chord/note in the key, or the "II" chord.
B Minor - The third chord/note in the key, or the "III" chord.
C Major - The fourth chord/note in the key, or the "IV" chord.
D Major - The fifth chord/note in the key, or the "V" chord.
E Minor - The sixth chord/note in the key, or the "VI" chord. Also the "Relative Minor" of G. You can worry abou that later.
F# dim - The seventh note or chord in the key, or the "VII" chord. Let's forget the diminished chords for now. No reason to deal with this for the basics.

Every Major key follows the EXACT same pattern. Just slide your hand up and down the fretboard, and you are playing that new major scale.

https://www.theguitarlesson.com/guitar-theory/guitar-chords/key-g-major/

Now that we have learned that, go back to that progression that you can learn to play. What are you actually playing?

The progression is: IV, V, II, I then V, IV, II, I

There is some very basic music theory for you. Now, when people say a common chord progression is I, IV, I, V, you can apply those numbers in the key of G. Eventually, you learn what a 7th is and you may change that progression to I, IV, I, V7, to spice it up a bit.
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MW03 said:

I can't be the only one who reads the OP's name in every post, and it makes everything sound really exasperated.

"Look guys...most of what you're saying is over my head."

Every. Single. Time.
Finally, someone got my joke.
Rudyjax
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Took my first lesson via webcam.

I am not sure if she was humoring me or not, but it did feel good for her to say she was impressed with what I've taught myself in a little over a month. Whether she thought that or not, it motivates me.

She taught me how to barre an A and how to play a B. She has me working on G A D this week and she's going to teach me a song next week.

I'm super pumped.

Just wanted to thank everyone who has given me advice.

I'm sure I'll ask dumb questions again and again.
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Look guys... said:

Checking in, you don't have to read if you don't want to.

  • I've played at least 5 minutes every day since Dec 28.
  • I can play almost all the major chords and many other chords that are simple.
  • I'm actually getting better at switching between chords without having to stop.
  • I still haven't learned a complete song yet, but ok.
  • My finger tips are calloused.
  • I used to watch people play on videos and think how do they get their fingers like that. I was watching myself play on my webcam today and was like, wow, that looks like a guitar player.
  • I still can't read tabs or music and still don't know much about music.
  • My first live lesson is Tuesday.
  • Wheatables doesn't know who I am based on my new user name, but we've met many times and live in the same neighborhood. I've done yoga with his wife. (Literally yoga)
  • I'm really starting to feel I might be able to learn to play.
  • I don't understand about 90% of the advice on this thread, but I can always go back and look when I know more. So thanks everyone.




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Rudyjax
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I think you do now that I basically told you.
62strat
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Man this just makes me think back when I learned in early 90s. There was no internet... just my tape deck or radio, a chair, and trying to figure it out! Then the occasional tab book if I had the $20!

I pretty much learned how to play guitar to Metallica songs lol. Didn't even have a tuner.. I just used Nothing else matters!
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62strat said:

Man this just makes me think back when I learned in early 90s. There was no internet... just my tape deck or radio, a chair, and trying to figure it out! Then the occasional tab book if I had the $20!

I pretty much learned how to play guitar to Metallica songs lol. Didn't even have a tuner.. I just used Nothing else matters!


That's awesome. A buddy of mine and I tried to teach ourselves with a book. I wasn't that motivated. He succeeded but I failed miserably. I blamed it on a right handed guitar.

I will say I figured out out to barre an A and B about 3000xs faster than if I had tried to do it by myself.
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62strat said:

Man this just makes me think back when I learned in early 90s. There was no internet... just my tape deck or radio, a chair, and trying to figure it out! Then the occasional tab book if I had the $20!

I pretty much learned how to play guitar to Metallica songs lol. Didn't even have a tuner.. I just used Nothing else matters!

I had a friend who's neighbor was a musician and "guitar coach" of sorts to some notable Texas acts. We used to go over there and just marvel at his collection and workshop where he would repair guitars and stuff. This was like 1994 or so, and the guy was already into his 60s. After I got my first job, I was in the market for a guitar. He sold me 70s Ibanez electric for $75 with the stipulation that I would have to learn how to repair it to get it to work. Still have and love that guitar.

Your comment about tab books and tapedecks took me back though. So much time spent sitting on the floor hunched over a $20 tab book and the tape deck, trying to learn how to play songs with absolutely zero training. I am pretty sure I still form chords weird.

The funny thing is that I learned how to play a handful of songs, and whenever I pick the guitar up for a quick little play, my fingers still fall back into those same songs. I can fire up the Tab app, pick out a song, and play it fairly okay, but then the memory of how to play it goes away as soon as I'm done looking at the tab. But I am pretty sure you could hand me a guitar in the old folks home, and my hands would still fall into a Ben Harper or Weezer tune without me really having to think about it.
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I remember trying to learn down in a hole by AIC and thought it was so hard.

Years later I find out about tunings other than standard! E flat tuning makes that song much easier to play. Am, G, D lol
MW03
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The go to's back in the day:

  • Red Hot Chili Peppers
  • Smashing Pumpkins
  • Weezer
  • Metallica
  • Green Day

All played terribly. Save (1) the outro to Mayonnaise, and (2) the intro to Over The Hills and Far Away.
Lathspell
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Yep. Green Day and Weezer tunes were my foundation of guitar chords and fingering. Learning to play in time and the rhythm of picking. Also, learning how to palm mute.

The two songs that taught me my basic pentatonic scales and how to solo are Stairway and Hotel California.

I still tell everyone; if you want some true elation when playing an instrument, find some others to jam with. It may not sound great to everyone else, but it is some of the most fun you can have while standing up.

Learning the palm mute rhythm and chords to When I Come Around is one thing. Playing it with a drummer and someone hammering that bass line opens your eyes as to why people do this crap.
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I need to find someone to play with. That would probably help a lot for motivation.
Rudyjax
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My 16 year old who plays the tuba, trombone, and melodica and basic piano chords asked if he could play his mom's guitar. I bought it for her a few years ago and she never showed interest. I thought she wanted to play...anyway...

Within 30 seconds he was where I was at after 2 days. LOL

He'll surpass me pretty quickly.
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DallasTeleAg said:

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I still tell everyone; if you want some true elation when playing an instrument, find some others to jam with. It may not sound great to everyone else, but it is some of the most fun you can have while standing up.

Learning the palm mute rhythm and chords to When I Come Around is one thing. Playing it with a drummer and someone hammering that bass line opens your eyes as to why people do this crap.
This is holy gospel right here, I have been playing in bands for >20 years, and EVERY time we get together to jam I'm still stoked just to fire up the amps and play. This cannot be overstated, get to a certain point where you know some songs and find some people to play with. It is fantastic, and there is nothing like that first time you jam and things fall into place. It is absolute and total magic, even if it's not pro level.

Never, ever, ever gets old!!!
Us And Them - The Pink Floyd Experience
http://www.usandthemband.net
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Texags jam group?
62strat
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Man I was in at least one band consecutively for 10 years, at one point like 3 or 4 simultaneously. Now it's been 5 years and all this jamming talk has me jonesin!
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one thing that's driving me nuts getting back into this is how sloppy my timing is if i'm not playing basic chords or songs.

for example...trying to get srv's blues shuffle from pride and joy down and it's a mess. any tips on breaking it down to get it down quicker/smoother?
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ruddyduck said:

one thing that's driving me nuts getting back into this is how sloppy my timing is if i'm not playing basic chords or songs.

for example...trying to get srv's blues shuffle from pride and joy down and it's a mess. any tips on breaking it down to get it down quicker/smoother?
Hey Ruddy,
Always do things at very slow speed first, preferably with a metronome. Take something like that blues shuffle, say it's typically at 63 BPM (just looked and this is what P&J is), set your metronome to like 30 BPM and try and play it in time with the metronome. Always focus on accuracy over speed, I've said this before (and don't always practice what I preach), but I'll 100% want to listen to someone playing slowly and accurately over some mess of notes played fast.

Anyway, once you have it down accurately at a slow tempo, start ramping it up slowly. Go to 40 BPM, then 50 BPM, etc. Highly recommend the metronome though, widely available on apps, etc. This will get your playing sharpened for sure. Good luck!
Us And Them - The Pink Floyd Experience
http://www.usandthemband.net
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ruddyduck said:

one thing that's driving me nuts getting back into this is how sloppy my timing is if i'm not playing basic chords or songs.

for example...trying to get srv's blues shuffle from pride and joy down and it's a mess. any tips on breaking it down to get it down quicker/smoother?
The other important technique on that particular song is string muting. You are strumming all 6 strings but only sounding 1. It's not an easy thing to do.
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yes. currently working on this. any tips there?
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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thanks. i've never played with a metronome but it is definitely time i start.
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ruddyduck said:

yes. currently working on this. any tips there?
That's a great point by gggmann, and honestly it will just take practice once you start really getting a feel for your left hand and how you can affect the sounds you're making beyond where your finger (pads) are planted. Watch live videos of SRV playing that song (or lesson videos showing it) and notice how he will use part of his left hand to mute certain strings while lettings others ring out. Now, he was obviously a virtuoso, but had ridiculous technique, so don't get discouraged when you can't play exactly like that right off the bat.

That is how a lot of players make a single guitar sound like 2 or more, by playing the upbeat (or downbeat) "chicka" rhythm opposite the actual notes/riff. It's a little more advanced, just give it time. Focus on playing the note part first, again w/ a metronome. Then move on to the more finesse aspects of it once you're playing it in good time.
Us And Them - The Pink Floyd Experience
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Rudyjax
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Y'all probably don't care, but making this my dear diary.

I've gotten to where I can switch easily from most major chords and minor chords.
I was taught a song today that required learning a new chord, picked that up easily.

It's shocking to me what was so difficult in early January is pretty simple.

Still struggling learning new with strumming patterns but that's getting easier.

Went to guitar center last weekend, and looked at guitars. I realized two things.

1. It sucks playing left handed. They had 3 guitars there. I know, it's like golf.
2. My strings are heavy. The guitar I played at guitar center was pretty easy. But I guess learning heavier is good.

I'm playing anywhere around an hour per day. As someone who has never plays an instrument, this is exciting.
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Look guys... said:

Y'all probably don't care, but making this my dear diary.

I've gotten to where I can switch easily from most major chords and minor chords.
I was taught a song today that required learning a new chord, picked that up easily.

It's shocking to me what was so difficult in early January is pretty simple.

Still struggling learning new with strumming patterns but that's getting easier.

Went to guitar center last weekend, and looked at guitars. I realized two things.

1. It sucks playing left handed. They had 3 guitars there. I know, it's like golf.
2. My strings are heavy. The guitar I played at guitar center was pretty easy. But I guess learning heavier is good.

I'm playing anywhere around an hour per day. As someone who has never plays an instrument, this is exciting.



Show off. Haven't played but 2 hours in the last three weeks.
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
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no kidding. i've definitely decided that i need less intensive hobbies because they all suffer.
Rudyjax
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I don't have 3 kids under 10.

My kids don't want anything from me than money. Enjoy it while you can! I'd trade an hour a day to have that back. Enjoy it while you can. It goes by fast.
 
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