New Guitar Day

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it's an odd one for sure. I picked it up at a closing store sale in Wichita Falls. i can't play slide guitar so i can't really come up with a reason. to keep it
Quincey P. Morris
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Anybody seen anything like this before? I looked and couldn't find any others. It's cool but not $350 cool.


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With that description it could be something far more gross, to be fair.
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Quincey P. Morris said:

Anybody seen anything like this before? I looked and couldn't find any others. It's cool but not $350 cool.




Look on Temu or AliExpress, you can probably find a Chibson version for 10% of what that costs.
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Got the acoustic bridge I made finally on the Graphtec Piezo only guitar I'm building. It took a lot of work to make sure the saddle height and intonation were going to be good right off the bat. It would have been immensely easier just to do a Graphtec hardtail bridge that was adjustable and my home made macassar ebony acoustic bridge has it's issues, but I wanted an all wood look. The Camphor Laurel top is finished with a natural oil finish and next to the green sides it looks awesome. The green freaking glows. So happy with that part. Should be playable in a couple of weeks.
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SICK!!!
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This seems to be the mega guitar thread, so I'll post here.

My 14 (almost 15) year old guitar player has a lot of pedals on his list (list below) and I had some questions.

  • Is there any advantage to new versus used with pedals? Might be able to get more bang for the buck with used of course. Any trusted sites for used?
  • Are there any big sales going on I should look at, or best sites? He picked the links below, not me, so not sure why he decided to link to the given sites.
  • We don't plan on buying him all these, so would anyone recommend the best one or two to start with?
For reference, he is a fan of rock/alternative. He's into Metallica and lately has been listening to Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness and OK Computer a lot. He takes private lessons and the teacher focuses a lot on blues riffs as a basis for rock.

  • Big muff pedal (Link)
  • Loop pedal (Link)
  • Delay pedal (Link)
  • Overdrive pedal (He hasn't picked a specific one)
  • Wah pedal (He hasn't picked a specific one)
You can see the guitar we got him on this thread: Link

He has a small Fender app right now but also on his list is a new amp. My father-in-law plays guitar and is helping him pick that out (and I also am asking him for pedal advice). Right now this is the one he has flagged:

Quincey P. Morris
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Reverb is probably the best site for used equipment. I'd say used for a pedal would be perfectly fine. You should be able to get an idea of the condition from pictures so you don't get something beat up and they've got pretty solid protection for buyers going through them. I'm not a huge pedal guy so I'm sure others can give insight on the actual pedals.

Lathspell
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I can provide a few notes:

  • Always buy used, if you can. I don't buy a single piece of equipment, new. Guitars, amps, pedals, etc. Search for them here: https://reverb.com/. Search for what he wants and search for a great deal.
  • The Boss Katana is a practice level amp with many of those modulation features built in. I would recommend holding off on the Big Muff or any other overdrive pedal until you settle on an amp. Every amp interacts with pedals in different ways. There is a term used all the time in the industry: Pedal Platform. There are amps out there that are considered great pedal platforms. That means they work very well when you stack overdrive and distortion pedals. I'm not a fan of modeling amps and therefore don't have much experience with them, so I couldn't tell you how any of those pedals would sound on the Katana. I honestly don't see the need for an overdrive pedal on an amp like the Katana. You can get plenty of overdrive from the amp, itself.
  • Delay Pedal: You listed the MXR Carbon Copy. This is a great little pedal and one I used to have. However, I wish someone had stopped me from buying it and instead saved a little more for the Carbon Copy Deluxe. The problem with Delay pedals is you want them to act in sync with the song you are currently playing. The only way to dial that in on the Carbon Copy is to bend down and tweak the knobs in a trial/error fashion, until you hit the correct BPM. I believe the Katana has this level of delay already built in. The Carbon Copy Deluxe has the second 'Tap' button on it, like all good delay pedals. This 'Tap' button allows you to tap the rhythm with your foot, so you can quickly set the delay timing.
If it were my kid and we were only looking at the stuff you linked, I would go with the Amp, Loop Pedal, and Delay pedal. The Wah is the outlier because it's adding a lot more cost to the total and it's a very niche pedal. Most likely he wants it to play 1 or 2 songs that feature it, but that's your call. Learning how to truly use a Wah pedal is like learning a new instrument.

Once you get at least 3-4 pedals, it's also time for a pedal board. You need to think about where you put these pedals, how you power these pedals, and how do you transport these pedals. Building a pedal board is the way this is done. There are many sizes of pedal boards out there and you will most likely need a pedal board power supply. Otherwise, every single pedal will need it's dedicated outlet or you can quickly burn through AA batteries.

I recently posted a picture of my pedal board a page or two back, if you've never seen what that could look like.
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Dropped the Custom 24 I got on trade off at the shop earlier. Getting the factory pickup back in and the bridge refloated. I pulled the block and the bridge didn't really go anywhere. Figured I'd rather get a pro to handle it and I have no desire to deal with installing something with that five way rotary.
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Also, I've decided that some folks that want to buy a guitar from you are somehow more annoying than the scammers. Had a dude that wanted me to prove authenticity on the PRS CE22 with a clouded finish because "fakes have gotten really good". Sent him the serial and told him he could send it to PRS. I can't imagine anybody is faking a 20 year old guitar with finish issues.
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Yeah, I've stopped doing that kind of ***** People will waste your time constantly. I treat it like I do in business. If someone asks for something, I ask for something back. For example, people always message about the weight of a LP. I don't have a scale and can't easily get that all the time. If someone asks, I follow up with, "What weight are you looking for? If this weight is where you want it, will you buy the guitar?"

If they can't confirm they will buy the guitar and their one question is the only thing holding them back, then I'm not doing the legwork.

Someone else will respond in a week or so, anyways. I ignored many questions about my G0. I ignored many offers for it, as well. Eventually, someone simply bought it at the price I was asking. Done.
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That's the reason my response to "What's the lowest price you'll take" has now become "What's the highest price you'll pay?"
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Alright guys, five or so years ago you folks helped me find an electric guitar for my 15 year old son. He loved it, but it took him years to actually start learning to play it. Good/bad news is that he did and he's gotten great and now suffers from the guitar bug now that he's 20.

He's a classic rock kid, and also plays in the Baylor praise and worship band. (I know…I tried….) He's asking for a Telecaster Thinline in Black or Red, or for a Gibson SG standard in either silver or blue.

I found these on Reverb (thank you guys for steering us neophytes to this great site) but was hoping I could get some expert opinions. Are these good deals? Are there better options? Thank you guys!!!!

Fenders:
https://reverb.com/item/93424384-fender-vintera-ii-60s-telecaster-thinline-maple-fingerboard-black-k5-98871

https://reverb.com/item/93428489-fender-fsr-american-vintage-72-telecaster-thinline-2012-black-weekend-sale

What is the difference between these two Telecasters that makes them priced so differently?


Gibson:
https://reverb.com/item/93353904-gibson-sg-2017-pelham-blue

https://reverb.com/item/91431547-gibson-sg-standard-2023-present-silver-mist
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I'm assuming the fact that second is a reissue is at least some of the price. Between the two I'd think somebody saying they want a reel would want the first one with the standard gels still pickups more as opposed to humbuckers.
Lathspell
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Holy ****, you don't come with easy questions, do you?

As a lover of our American classic brands, I'm sure there will be a lot of back and forth on this. Also, I've already begun my evening toking, so hopefully I don't just go on and on about nothing. I'm going to kind of address a few of your questions/points.

Fender Thinline vs Gibson SG - Umm... you don't even compare the two. They are so freaking different in just about every way. Tell your son he needs to play both and pick one. Go to Guitar Center and play a few thinlines and a few SG's. This is not a question anyone can answer for you. It is based on personal preference, and both are fantastic instruments.

On the two thinline Tele's you posted:
  • Fender Vintera II - Made in Mexico
  • American Vintage - Made in the USA
That's the reason for the price difference. However, the two guitars are also very different in other ways.

  • Both seem to be made of Ash. However, weight of ash can range.
  • The Vintera has a poly gloss finish while the AVRI has a nitro lacquer. The poly gloss is cheaper to apply whereas the nitro lacquer is closer to how they finished guitars back in the day. All custom shop guitars and most higher end guitars usually use some form of nitro finish. They tend to age over time and wear in, which many guitarists love. Others believe nitro guitars sound better. This is all just general discussions out there.
  • The Vintera has the standard Tele bridge and neck pickup setup whereas the AVRI has the fender wide range humbuckers. I'm a Tele purists, so don't get me on my soapbox about putting humbuckers in a Tele. Suffice it to say, those two pickup options give you COMPLETELY different sounds. He needs to play a Tele with each type to know which he wants. If he wants a Tele because he wants to do that "Tele thing", then you need the classic setup with the single coils. If not the Vintera, then whichever other model. Granted, the single coil pickups in the Vintera are going to be of lower quality, due to the MIM. But those can always be replaced in the future.
Aside from those differences, I couldn't tell you without holding them. Both postings say "C" shape, but there are different types of "C" shaped necks. They are generally on the thinner side. Some people like chunky necks, some like thin necks, and many of us like necks somewhere in between. That's all a personal choice.

The posting also shows the Vintera has the more old school 7.25" fretboard radius vs the 9.5" of the AVRI. Again, that's personal preference. I will say, the more more extreme the radius, the more likely the guitar is to fret out when you bend a string. The likelihood of fretting out could come down to the quality control of the guitar itself. I personally love the 9.5" radius Fender uses for their re-issues, these days. But most guitars range from 7.25"-12" radiuses. Everyone has their own preference and they all feel VERY different.

If you can post the serial number of his current Fender, I could look it up and get the specs on that. Based on the specs of his current guitar, you could then ask him what he likes about it and what things he would prefer different. For example, if he loves the neck shape and has spent the last 3-4 years getting very used to it, then let's try to get a similar neck shape in the new guitar.

As for the Gibson SG's, COMPLETELY different style of guitar and sounds completely different. Those are both Gibson SG Standards, so both are made in the USA and basically have all the same specs.

If it were me, I would buy the Pelham Blue one, if he wants an SG. First of all, that's a premium color to get in an SG. Second, it comes with the Gibson hardcase. Third, that one comes with the Classic '57 pickups, which are MUCH better than the trashy 490R and 490T pickups in the other one. I think those are the worst Gibson manufactured pickups and would rip them out the moment I bought that guitar. The Classic '57s are much more vintage voiced for classic rock.

But, my recommendation is to first make him make the choice between a thinline Tele and an SG. If he chooses the Thinline, come back and post the serial number of his guitar. If he chooses the SG, snag that Pelham blue one.
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Please toke & post more often….this was a delight to read!!
Lathspell
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If it's after 7PM and i'm posting... i'm most definitely toking & posting!
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Lathspell thanks a ton! Sorry, I wasn't clear in my question. Totally get that both are completely different guitars. He's just starting to collect and play different things and he knows he would like both types of guitar eventually (the Tele and the SG) but was leaving it up to anyone who wanted to buy him a present which one of those types we chose.

This is the one he's been learning in the last few years. 9.5 frets I believe.

https://reverb.com/item/38596573-2011-fender-american-standard-stratocaster-hss-w-up-graded-v-mod-and-shawbucker-pickups
Lathspell
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Only you can see old Reverb posts if you bought the guitar. Your link won't work for us.

If you get me the serial number, I can see every spec on that guitar.

ETA: NVM, I just pulled the standard specs for a 2011 Fender American Standard Strat.

  • Fretboard Radius: 9.5"
  • Neck Profile: Modern C Profile Maple Neck with Satin Finish Back and 25.5" Scale Length
  • Neck thickness: ~ .83" at First Fret and .89" at Twelfth Fret (Based on spec of another guitar. They should all be about the same with very little variability)
  • Frets: Medium jumbo frets
Those are all very specific specs that he will be very used to. When looking at any other guitar, you need answers to each of those questions to determine, to the best of your ability, which guitar would feel good without having a chance to play it in person. If you are looking at a guitar listing that doesn't list each of these specs, then there's no way to guess how it would feel.

Again, he needs to make a decision on Gibson SG or Fender Thinline. That's not something anyone can tell you. Neither is better than the other. If he doesn't know which he wants, then I need to know what "sound" he's after. What does he want to get out of this new guitar that he isn't getting out of his Strat?

Generally, many guitarists aren't big fans of the Stratocaster bridge pickup, thinking it is very thin sounding. However, your son has the fat-strat, which has a humbucker in the bridge.
Lathspell
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I guess, what i'm trying to really pound home is how personal this decision is. The first guitar was one thing. You bought him a guitar that he can use for the rest of his life. That American Standard Strat is just a great guitar.

As he gets older and starts to love collecting guitars, he should have a clearer idea of what he wants in a guitar. At this point, it sounds like he hasn't played too many different guitars. He simply has either heard or seen both of these guitars being played by bands or on YouTube, and he has GAS.

Totally get it. We all live that life and understand that. But he needs to provide more detailed input on what he's looking for.

I could link you 10 different Fender Thinline Telecasters right now. All at price points from $600-$4,000. With each one, let's say there are 12-15 aspects of each guitar that would be different from the other. Anything from the specs on the neck I've already posted, the finish, the color, the pickups, the tuners, etc.

Obviously, just like last time, giving the budget is the starting place. Then we look within that budget for the specs he wants.

If he wants to stick with a branded "Fender", then you are looking at either the Fender USA lines or Fender Made in Mexico lines. This is where I would even use ChatGPT to list all the Fender USA and Fender MIM Thinline tele models in the last 15 years. I would research each production model as well as several artist series to find the one that meets what I'm looking for both spec-wise and aesthetically.

For both lines, MIA and MIM, you will have Tiers of "quality" that increase price. Within those tiers, you will usually have models that are "modern" and models that are more "vintage" inspired. Most "Modern" models will have poly gloss finish whereas most "vintage" inspired models will be nitro. Most "modern" styles have flatter fretboards and most "vintage" inspired have rounder fretboards. Most "modern" Fenders have satin finishes on the neck and most "vintage" inspired have the standard lacquered finish on the back of the neck which can get sticky.

Hopefully I've illustrated how difficult this is to simply tell you which one to buy without input from your son.
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What Lathspell is saying is that you're an awesome dad and have started him on a great path with that first guitar. He doesn't have to suffer through some of the crappier guitars first.

That blue Gibson SG is pretty sweet if he wants to add a humbucker guitar to the quiver. That would be awesome to see in a rock band and in worship.

Where are you located? Maybe make it a father / son trip to one of the non-GC stores and have him pick one out. Go wild and go to Nashville!
Lathspell
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He has a fat Strat, I believe (HSS).
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Well that muddies the choice a bit more.

I still think the experience of going to pick out a new guitar would be long lasting.
Lathspell
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dave99ag said:

Well that muddies the choice a bit more.

I still think the experience of going to pick out a new guitar would be long lasting.

Most definitely, it's fun to go guitar shopping with your son. However, I just have not been a fan of buying new guitars, for years. I pretty much only buy used guitars.

I would only go up to a guitar center or other store to experience playing the different models.
Aggiemundo
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Thanks guys. Like all of us, I try to be a good dad, but I'm also dang blessed to have a heck of an impressive son. I can't teach him much in this area, but I have some of the means to support him till it hurts so I plan to! I made him work for a lot on his way up, so I don't mind spoiling him a bit now.

A trip to shop would be a dream and that day may just have to come after your suggestion. I know he's hit up some shops already over the summer and Fall and that's what has him set on these models as ones he likes. I'm leaning on the Fender thin body American made, but man, I had a nasty experience with the guy selling that one on Reverb today. I'm tempted to post the exchange, but I won't. Some people man.

Gonna keep looking for another and will keep you guys posted. I really appreciate you guys sharing your passion and expertise with me more than I can say.
maroon barchetta
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Where are you located?
Lathspell
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Here's your search:

https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=fender%20thinline%20telecaster&make=fender&product_type=electric-guitars&condition=used&price_max=1600&sort=price_with_sale%7Cdesc&country_of_origin=US

There are currently 30 guitars that match Fender Thinline Telecaster, made in the USA, are used, and are under $1,600. I chose that amount based on the prices of the guitars you recently posted and knowing you can always negotiate with the seller.

When i posted about looking at a Tele that does that "Tele Thing", that's when both pickups are single-coils. They look like the pickups on this guitar

Aggiemundo
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I'm in the Austin area.
maroon barchetta
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Have you done some online searches of GC's and local guitar stores to see if they have any good used guitars in the vein that Lathspell recommends?
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