Interesting, I wouldn't have guessed that she's older than them. I just think it's funny that Fessy/Kaycee/Darrell/etc have said they don't trust her when she's been blindly loyal to her alliances from what we've seen.

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Glad that Fessy went home. There's no gray area on that like there was 10 years ago.

It's interesting that so many on the cast hate Amber and think she's so fake. I don't think they've done a great job of showing that side of her in the edit. She mainly comes off as nice and naive to me.

I find Emy pretty annoying, so I'm not super excited that she's with CT, but I think she'll do whatever he wants in the game, so it should work out okay.

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Yea I coudve sworn Ive seen worse fights than that and they werent sent home.

I think Amber just comes across as very annoying, whiny, always complaining, and generally unlikeable. I dont think shes fake, but I understand why other people dont like her.

I actually kind of like Emy, she is crazy but has a lot of heart. The vets all seem to like her as well. Her and CT are probably the most liked team in the house, plus they are both strong competitors.

Yeah, I don't get all of the hate with Amber. She might be the first person who actually seems like a victim and isn't just out trying to make herself out to be one. I think there is definitely a jealous/intimidation factor with Kaycee and Fessy with her. They can't stand how the thrive in the challenge but fail in the final and she walks in and killed it.

I am looking forward to see how Berna acts after losing CT. I really don't get the hate she and Esther have for Amber. Seems like they just saw blood and latched on. I do want to see Esther back though. Berna can go

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Yeah, I don't get all of the hate with Amber. She might be the first person who actually seems like a victim and isn't just out trying to make herself out to be one. I think there is definitely a jealous/intimidation factor with Kaycee and Fessy with her. They can't stand how the thrive in the challenge but fail in the final and she walks in and killed it.

I am looking forward to see how Berna acts after losing CT. I really don't get the hate she and Esther have for Amber. Seems like they just saw blood and latched on. I do want to see Esther back though. Berna can go

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But even before the final last season, Kayce and Fessy didnt really like her. I remember them talking crap about her behind her back. I think they saw her as a weak link in the big brother alliance and thought she was playing both sides.

Amber is now a made woman for MTV after the win last year.

She's playing a character like many of them are.

FINALLY caught up. Had a sick baby and life was busy. Here is my rambling dumb observations from like, 4 episodes


Nelly T looking thick. Looks great with that beard
Nelly T boot camp on the hill looked fun. I'd totally work out with him!
Challenge backyard is sick, the hill, the pool, the pond
Corey L, very defeated attitude already, don't think he'll be around long (in retrospect i was correct, haha)
Emmanuel looks like he'd smell like sweat and weed
Sea cave challenge looks hard and exciting
Ashley's partner being terrified (hughie), throwing up and screaming to wait had me cracking up
Ashley looks so much better without long fake extensions
Tommy leaving...k bye barely knew who you were
Fessy blowing up big brother alliance...what an idiot
Amber b still bad ass
Gabo wants to win to party party party lol
The guys look stacked at obstacle course
BASIC MATH as part of the obstacle course. I've said it before and I'll say it again if you can do basic math you could dominate the challenge. Come on, people.
Tori is annoying
Watching everyone talk and socialize at the party makes me realize I would hate this game...I hate small talk and talking to people I don't really know or like. A terrible game for anti socials like me lol
Hughie being a little ***** at deliberation. Shut up
Gabo praying to Mike The Situation from Jersey Shore before the elimation lmao I was laughing so hard!!
Disappointed he lost, I hope he comes back, to me he embodies the Challenge, he's funny, a good competitor, well liked.

CT looking tight
Esther seems reasonable and trying to help Josh
I don't think Amanda is attractive at all plus ****ty personality
Kaycee/Nany date? Are they actually dating? I know there was some gray area when Kaycee still had a girlfriend and her and Nany were getting real snuggly in the past...drama. The whole date seemed very one sided, it didn't seem like Nany was super reciprocal.
Esther/Josh kissing...Josh has the sexual appeal of a potato
Daily challenge...What if the car rolled over??? Literally seems so dangerous. Plus i would get so car sick.
Emy a famous singer ? Showed a whole different side...still annoying though.
Pizza Fight 2021...Tori and Corey were definitely trying to start **** but I agree that they can't be responsible for how Josh etc would react.
Nelly just eating pizza in the background watching. That would be me lol
Fessy pushed joshs face! That's a no no
Josh yelling at Fessy, "Your bare chest is going home" lol
Fessy found Josh after the fight and told Josh they "always get through **** like this"...that's awful.. It implies that Fessy being a ****** to Josh is a pattern of behavior, maybe more than we've seen on the show. Reminded me of a couple that is really toxic and fights all the time and shouldn't be together. I don't like Josh but felt bad for him.
The hot sauce ritual with Emy lol
Tj showing up...verbally ***** slapping Josh for acting a fool. Fessy going home, good.
Hall brawl, Emy still annoying. Calling CT her reward was kind of ick.

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FINALLY caught up. Had a sick baby and life was busy. Here is my rambling dumb observations from like, 4 episodes


Nelly T looking thick. Looks great with that beard
Nelly T boot camp on the hill looked fun. I'd totally work out with him!
Challenge backyard is sick, the hill, the pool, the pond
Corey L, very defeated attitude already, don't think he'll be around long (in retrospect i was correct, haha)
Emmanuel looks like he'd smell like sweat and weed
Sea cave challenge looks hard and exciting
Ashley's partner being terrified (hughie), throwing up and screaming to wait had me cracking up
Ashley looks so much better without long fake extensions
Tommy leaving...k bye barely knew who you were
Fessy blowing up big brother alliance...what an idiot
Amber b still bad ass
Gabo wants to win to party party party lol
The guys look stacked at obstacle course
BASIC MATH as part of the obstacle course. I've said it before and I'll say it again if you can do basic math you could dominate the challenge. Come on, people.
Tori is annoying
Watching everyone talk and socialize at the party makes me realize I would hate this game...I hate small talk and talking to people I don't really know or like. A terrible game for anti socials like me lol
Hughie being a little ***** at deliberation. Shut up
Gabo praying to Mike The Situation from Jersey Shore before the elimation lmao I was laughing so hard!!
Disappointed he lost, I hope he comes back, to me he embodies the Challenge, he's funny, a good competitor, well liked.

CT looking tight
Esther seems reasonable and trying to help Josh
I don't think Amanda is attractive at all plus ****ty personality
Kaycee/Nany date? Are they actually dating? I know there was some gray area when Kaycee still had a girlfriend and her and Nany were getting real snuggly in the past...drama. The whole date seemed very one sided, it didn't seem like Nany was super reciprocal.
Esther/Josh kissing...Josh has the sexual appeal of a potato
Daily challenge...What if the car rolled over??? Literally seems so dangerous. Plus i would get so car sick.
Emy a famous singer ? Showed a whole different side...still annoying though.
Pizza Fight 2021...Tori and Corey were definitely trying to start **** but I agree that they can't be responsible for how Josh etc would react.
Nelly just eating pizza in the background watching. That would be me lol
Fessy pushed joshs face! That's a no no
Josh yelling at Fessy, "Your bare chest is going home" lol
Fessy found Josh after the fight and told Josh they "always get through **** like this"...that's awful.. It implies that Fessy being a ****** to Josh is a pattern of behavior, maybe more than we've seen on the show. Reminded me of a couple that is really toxic and fights all the time and shouldn't be together. I don't like Josh but felt bad for him.
The hot sauce ritual with Emy lol
Tj showing up...verbally ***** slapping Josh for acting a fool. Fessy going home, good.
Hall brawl, Emy still annoying. Calling CT her reward was kind of ick.

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Missed your comments after every episode Lisa Marie. Please keep doing these.

What are your overall thoughts of this season so far? I think its going to really get going when all of the rookies are voted out and the vets have to start turning on each other. I think overall the show is missing a grandiose Wes or a Bananas type of "villian" character.

Yes, I look forward to the vets eating their own.

I do agree we are missing a super villain. Fessy, while being a backstabber, is really not bright enough or charismatic enough to be an entertaining villain like Johnny Bananas or Wes. I do like this season and I think the daily challenges are actually better than some previous seasons so far.

We don't have a villain or a mastermind for this season. Need to see which vets are really in control now that almost all the rookies are gone.

Does anyone not think CT isn't winning this thing again?

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Does anyone not think CT isn't winning this thing again?

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I think thats a safe bet. Theres no one else to challenge him, now that Fessi is gone. Corey always does poorly in the final, Nelson finds a way to get sent home before the final, Kyle is meh. Its CT's game to win. The only way I see him getting sent home is if the vets team up against him and keep voting him into eliminations.

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David_Puddy said:

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I think thats a safe bet. Theres no one else to challenge him, now that Fessi is gone. Corey always does poorly in the final, Nelson finds a way to get sent home before the final, Kyle is meh. Its CT's game to win. The only way I see him getting sent home is if the vets team up against him and keep voting him into eliminations.

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Agree but highly doubt they do that because when he wins he will just come back and go right after them. I think the only question at this point is what female wins. I'd put my $ on Tori or Kayci.

Also assuming a win for CT does Bananas still hold the title of best male challenge competitor? I think an argument could be made for either at that point.

David_Puddy said:

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ea1060 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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I think thats a safe bet. Theres no one else to challenge him, now that Fessi is gone. Corey always does poorly in the final, Nelson finds a way to get sent home before the final, Kyle is meh. Its CT's game to win. The only way I see him getting sent home is if the vets team up against him and keep voting him into eliminations.

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Agree but highly doubt they do that because when he wins he will just come back and go right after them. I think the only question at this point is what female wins. I'd put my $ on Tori or Kayci.

Also assuming a win for CT does Bananas still hold the title of best male challenge competitor? I think an argument could be made for either at that point.

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Never count out Amber B! What if her and CT become teammates again and win the final, that would be hilarious lol. The amount of hate she would get from the other girls would be out of this world.

So I looked it up. CT has 4 challenge wins + 5 other finals appearances. He also won 2 seasons of champs vs stars, which technically dont count, but still something to add to his resume.

Bananas has 7 challenge wins + 2 other finals appearances. He also one 1 season of champs vs stars.

If CT wins this season, he will have 5 total wins compared to Bananas 7. I think you still have to give the nod to Bananas, but the fact that CT would have won 2 challenges back to back at age 41, would be pretty amazing.

Although if you give me one choice to have on my team, Im picking CT over Bananas.

I think it would be pretty great if Kaycee won, she's a solid competitor and she got absolutely screwed last final having to be with Fessy the quitter.

I love CT and I'd be pleased if he won again. Agree with yalls sentiments that Nelson never makes it to the end, Kyle and Josh both suck, Corey is dumber than a box of rocks. Devin has potential so I would root for him to win. Some of the rookies could be sleepers, like Ed or Jeremiah, but they haven't gotten a ton of screen time.

Here's my episode ramblings:

Emmanuel is so cute to all the girls?? I don't see it but beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Jeremiah, really that clueless about the daily challenge? Looks in shape but struggled with directions and where to go.

Big T having trouble with the rope at the end, that's super hard for women, I would have failed too. The boat looked slick so basically looked like they were having to use arms only to get up there.

Ed is thicc I'm into it

Return of scuba Nelly! <3

Emy crying after winning, kind of lame...I'm not into her so every thing she does now annoys me. You just won a daily, not the Olympics, calm down.

Emy didn't mean to hurt Berna? Did she really say that? Emy straight up lied and backstabbed her...poor Berna.

Amber being a jerk during deliberation...I started out on team Amber but definitely see the other side everyone has talked about. I think it was the last episode that Berna pointed out that if you're loyal, kind, etc., you don't need to yell it from the rooftops, you need to prove it with your actions.

Ashley trying to be mediator, voice of reason...no wait, now she's threatening the rookies.

Elimination, I'm sure they had it set up safely but all I could think of was what if one of the pair slipped and fell down the pole. Wouldn't that wrench their shoulders out of socket??

Hughie and his big butt #disasster lol

Priscilla and Jeremiah's talking head after winning was cute and funny. Thats the most of Jeremiah's personality I think they've shown. Hopefully he sticks around a little longer.

Priscilla, big move! Mess that vet alliance UP! Also I think she's really pretty and I want her skin care routine because she's always *glowing*

Nelly looked less than thrilled to be with Big T lol

Ashley PISSED. It'll be really interesting to see what happens next.

While CT is looking good and in a good spot, I don't think it's any type of guarantee that he wins this year. He's the favorite, but there's a long way to go. Ed was some type of athlete in college, so he's be a good competitor if he makes it to the end. I gotta stand up for my fellow T1 diabetic Kyle, he's no slouch. I wouldn't count him out.

Anyone want to start a late challenge fantasy game this season? Quick, everyone send me $20.

Quinn said:

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While CT is looking good and in a good spot, I don't think it's any type of guarantee that he wins this year. He's the favorite, but there's a long way to go. Ed was some type of athlete in college, so he's be a good competitor if he makes it to the end. I gotta stand up for my fellow T1 diabetic Kyle, he's no slouch. I wouldn't count him out.

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Meh, I think at this point we know what kind of player Kyle is: decent, consistent, strong. But dont think he has the chops to win a final. He also has a bad social game, everyone sees him as a snake and not to be trusted. His biggest ally in the house, Devin, doesnt trust him anymore.

Kyle is like a poor man's Corey. Good enough to make the final, but not good enough to win. But you're right, anything can happen in this game and its no lock CT wins. But Ive always liked CT's strategy: lay low, dont cause drama, get along with everyone, make moves later in the game, then coast to the final.

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So I looked it up. CT has 4 challenge wins + 5 other finals appearances. He also won 2 seasons of champs vs stars, which technically dont count, but still something to add to his resume.

Bananas has 7 challenge wins + 2 other finals appearances. He also one 1 season of champs vs stars.

If CT wins this season, he will have 5 total wins compared to Bananas 7. I think you still have to give the nod to Bananas, but the fact that CT would have won 2 challenges back to back at age 41, would be pretty amazing.

Although if you give me one choice to have on my team, Im picking CT over Bananas.

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I would pick CT as well. Also I can't help but continue to go back to the elimination where he carried Bananas like a toddler on his back and launched him into the trash can. Thus I give the nod to CT

Quinn said:

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While CT is looking good and in a good spot, I don't think it's any type of guarantee that he wins this year. He's the favorite, but there's a long way to go. Ed was some type of athlete in college, so he's be a good competitor if he makes it to the end. I gotta stand up for my fellow T1 diabetic Kyle, he's no slouch. I wouldn't count him out.

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Ahhh I had no idea.....they don't ever bring that up on the show. I'm a T1 diabetic as well.

David_Puddy said:

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ea1060 said:

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So I looked it up. CT has 4 challenge wins + 5 other finals appearances. He also won 2 seasons of champs vs stars, which technically dont count, but still something to add to his resume.

Bananas has 7 challenge wins + 2 other finals appearances. He also one 1 season of champs vs stars.

If CT wins this season, he will have 5 total wins compared to Bananas 7. I think you still have to give the nod to Bananas, but the fact that CT would have won 2 challenges back to back at age 41, would be pretty amazing.

Although if you give me one choice to have on my team, Im picking CT over Bananas.

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I would pick CT as well. Also I can't help but continue to go back to the elimination where he carried Bananas like a toddler on his back and launched him into the trash can. Thus I give the nod to CT

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Lol I love when they show that clip every season. Never gets old. CT was a beast back in the day, still is.

He posted about it on Instagram and then Johnny and Wes talked on a podcast about Kyle shoving his insulin pen up his butt during his first challenge (I guess he was afraid to tell production??) on his first season.

Old School Brother said:

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Anyone want to start a late challenge fantasy game this season? Quick, everyone send me $20.

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FFR, I'm in a Challenge fantasy league with some friends. Download the "RealTVFantasy" app and they already have a Challenge setting. You can draft single players or teams, the all adds up the points for you. You can set the points to whatever you want.

Old School Brother said:

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Anyone want to start a late challenge fantasy game this season? Quick, everyone send me $20.

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Oh man I'm still legit mad about this. I mean yeah it's just $20 but if the the guy got too busy to run the thing just return the money. Ugh.

On another note, speaking of Johnny Bananas, did y'all hear how he cheated on his long time girlfriend, Morgan and they broke up? He's a rotten banana indeed!

LisaMarie said:

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Old School Brother said:

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Anyone want to start a late challenge fantasy game this season? Quick, everyone send me $20.

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On another note, speaking of Johnny Bananas, did y'all hear how he cheated on his long time girlfriend, Morgan and they broke up? He's a rotten banana indeed!

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The guys name is Johnny Bananas, what did she expect?? He just looks like a sleazeball lol.

Wes was right, Johnny does cheat on every girlfriend he's ever had

Finally the game is getting interesting! Damn I really wanted Corey to lose but gotta give him credit for hanging in there.

Can't wait to see what the twist is next week.

They just announced on a mtv commercial the big twist.

**** spoiler ****


They will be doing away with pairs from now on and roll solo.

LisaMarie said:

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Old School Brother said:

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Anyone want to start a late challenge fantasy game this season? Quick, everyone send me $20.

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Oh man I'm still legit mad about this. I mean yeah it's just $20 but if the the guy got too busy to run the thing just return the money. Ugh.

On another note, speaking of Johnny Bananas, did y'all hear how he cheated on his long time girlfriend, Morgan and they broke up? He's a rotten banana indeed!

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I am too. I sent him several messages telling him to just return the money, but he never answered. Pretty ridiculous, the guy had been on here for years so I figured he could be trusted. Completely understand why someone wouldn't have time to watch the show several times each week to catch all of the "fantasy" stuff, but just say you underestimated the time involved and send people's money back.

I was winning in the early rounds too last season.

I think the main thing that Kyle is known for is one thing that Cory has never been known for and that's being a snake. I was pulling for Cory and Bettina because I like Cory for the most part and Bettina started to grow on me as an underrated player and a good pair for him as she is good at puzzles while Cory can handle the physical stuff. Someone earlier said that Cory chokes in the final but the only time I remember him doing badly in a final was he hurt his knee. His downfall are the puzzles which bring me to CT

CT is a beast because he can do pretty much everything. The one thing he isn't as strong at is endurance but it usually doesn't matter because he is so good at everything else, he can usually make up for it. While I do think he has a great strategy in most seasons, it's also because he is a beast. I think even if he didn't lay low, he would have the same result because no one wants to face him (and I don't blame them) or be the one to put him in an elimination and get in his crosshairs.

I was definitely glad Cory won because while it isn't really her fault, I was tired of seeing the whole Kaycee/Amber thing every week. Amber just needs to give up trying to be cool with her because I don't know if she's ever going to get over the fact that she became a Challenge champion before she was able to.

I truly loved Corey's bewildered expression when TJ said to rejoin the group after they won!!

Y'ALL!!

All Stars 2 cast has dropped!!

This site has a solid explanation of the cast and their previous seasons/records.

https://novarogue.medium.com/the-challenge-all-stars-2-cast-details-insights-dcd175ab908

I recognize/remember almost all the cast so I'm excited. Super stoked about:
Jasmine
Tina
Brad
Cohutta
Darrell
Derrick

Thoughts?

LisaMarie said:

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Y'ALL!!

All Stars 2 cast has dropped!!

This site has a solid explanation of the cast and their previous seasons/records.

https://novarogue.medium.com/the-challenge-all-stars-2-cast-details-insights-dcd175ab908

I recognize/remember almost all the cast so I'm excited. Super stoked about:
Jasmine
Tina
Brad
Cohutta
Darrell
Derrick

Thoughts?

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Damn they brought back some real heavy hitters. Tyler is a beast. Nehemiah, MJ, Derrick, Darrell, Brad have all won a final.

All-Stars season 1 was great. The first challenge where they were all dying cracked me up. I wonder why Yes isn't coming back to defend his title? Cohutta with long hair and seems to have bulked up a bit.

I love Cohutta!! He was so kind and funny. I felt so bad when he got tangled up with Nany and she stomped all over his soft little country heart