SWC Ag said:

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EarlCampbellsThighs said:

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SWC Ag said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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It was terribad.

Might as well have called it "The Victim Years". It was exactly what we all knew it was gonna be but were told we were just F16ers.
Lost track of the references to race. "White" this and "black" that. The entire half hour was a complete beating.

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I disagree

I think you went in looking to be offended and you were.

Well, it is set in Alabama after forced integration
Those two words were probably going to come up many times.

And the dad certainly is not coming off as a saint, especially at the baseball game.

But if you didn't like it, skip it.
I have certainly done that off one episode of a show

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I hate that take…."you went in looking to be offended"….so lazy.

No, I went in interested to see how a reboot of one of the best shows ever, and one of my favorites from my early teenage years, was going to turn out. I really want it to be good. And of course I expected civil rights to be a part of the show, it's set in 1968 for Pete's sake. But what I watched last night wasn't a "treatment" of that, it was being clubbed over the head endlessly with it. My 12 year old daughter watching it with me, turned to me about halfway in and asked "Is this show only about racism?" The only thing I told her going into it was that it was a reboot of a show from my childhood.
So spare me the subtle racist accusations. It was a beating.

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You seem flabbergasted that black people in the sixties had a different experience than you did... and flat out offended to hear people discuss it. That is the literal definition of privilege. But you do you. The show will live or die based on ratings just like every other show out there and I'm okay with that.

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"The literal definition of privilege."
Insert Estelle Bluth eye roll gif here.
Christ almighty.
You don't have the first clue about me, my background, or the background of my predecessors.
Furthermore, the idea that you think I'm blind to the fact that my upbringing was different than that of someone else's, regardless of skin color, 53 years ago is just ludicrously stupid. Thanks for the revelation.
So many lazy, pre-packaged, soundbite retorts.

Perhaps you address the actual argument that the show sucked because it was a clubbing over the head of black victimhood and white privilege (an absolute asinine and racist term itself) rather than attempting to label me as some ignorant, angry racist?

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I would be happy to address your argument, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Are you saying that it was a "clubbing" because it didn't present racism in a way you accept? Or are you saying the show sucked because you wish it didn't address racism in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable?

It seems strange to refer to the 1960s with the term "black victim hood" while saying that "white privilege" is a racist term. I mean, you do understand how that makes you come across, right?

Additionally, do you mind explaining how "white privilege" is a racist term? Certainly after watching the wonder years reboot you can accept that white privilege exists.

Just a reminder

This happened in 1960 (8 years before the show) and it is crazy to think she is only 67 years old today.



This happened in 1963. (5 years before the show)



This happened in 1965 (3 years before the show) 51 miles from where this show is set.


So all in all. I think they kept it toned down.

Gaius Rufus said:

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SWC Ag said:

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EarlCampbellsThighs said:

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SWC Ag said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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It was terribad.

Might as well have called it "The Victim Years". It was exactly what we all knew it was gonna be but were told we were just F16ers.
Lost track of the references to race. "White" this and "black" that. The entire half hour was a complete beating.

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I disagree

I think you went in looking to be offended and you were.

Well, it is set in Alabama after forced integration
Those two words were probably going to come up many times.

And the dad certainly is not coming off as a saint, especially at the baseball game.

But if you didn't like it, skip it.
I have certainly done that off one episode of a show

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I hate that take…."you went in looking to be offended"….so lazy.

No, I went in interested to see how a reboot of one of the best shows ever, and one of my favorites from my early teenage years, was going to turn out. I really want it to be good. And of course I expected civil rights to be a part of the show, it's set in 1968 for Pete's sake. But what I watched last night wasn't a "treatment" of that, it was being clubbed over the head endlessly with it. My 12 year old daughter watching it with me, turned to me about halfway in and asked "Is this show only about racism?" The only thing I told her going into it was that it was a reboot of a show from my childhood.
So spare me the subtle racist accusations. It was a beating.

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You seem flabbergasted that black people in the sixties had a different experience than you did... and flat out offended to hear people discuss it. That is the literal definition of privilege. But you do you. The show will live or die based on ratings just like every other show out there and I'm okay with that.

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"The literal definition of privilege."
Insert Estelle Bluth eye roll gif here.
Christ almighty.
You don't have the first clue about me, my background, or the background of my predecessors.
Furthermore, the idea that you think I'm blind to the fact that my upbringing was different than that of someone else's, regardless of skin color, 53 years ago is just ludicrously stupid. Thanks for the revelation.
So many lazy, pre-packaged, soundbite retorts.

Perhaps you address the actual argument that the show sucked because it was a clubbing over the head of black victimhood and white privilege (an absolute asinine and racist term itself) rather than attempting to label me as some ignorant, angry racist?

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I would be happy to address your argument, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Are you saying that it was a "clubbing" because it didn't present racism in a way you accept? Or are you saying the show sucked because you wish it didn't address racism in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable?

It seems strange to refer to the 1960s with the term "black victim hood" while saying that "white privilege" is a racist term. I mean, you do understand how that makes you come across, right?

Additionally, do you mind explaining how "white privilege" is a racist term? Certainly after watching the wonder years reboot you can accept that white privilege exists.

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I'm not watching the show and didn't watch the original, but I'll comment from the outside looking into this show.

In a vacuum, there is nothing wrong with having this show and portraying the themes that it does as that was a sign of the times back then. The point that some of us on here make...seemingly to an audience that refuses to listen most of the time....is that much programming these days is permeated with racial tension during an era when we largely got past all of that. Current white generations are now being held accountable and blamed for ancestral actions we had nothing to do with and it's tiresome.

When it comes to entertainment, hey, we get it already. Some of us would like to be entertained without being told we are racist because we are white and that racism exists in every nook and cranny of our country when it obviously doesn't. We are riding a wave of BLM right now and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and virtue signaling the sh^t out of it to score points.

When done right and creatively I enjoy shows with these themes like anyone else. For example, I loved Get Out. I thought that was a pretty brilliant movie. However, much of what is made right now are just cheap shot pissing and moaning that manufacture racial tension and animosity for no other reason than to sow discord amongst the populace.

All we are doing is making race relations worse in this country by continually picking at a scab that had largely healed over. And white privilege is absolutely racist. It's shocking people can't understand that. How is it ok to declare an entire ethnic group as racist? What's good for the goose is good for the gander on that front.

Regarding this particular show, it might be fine and I might enjoy it if I watched it. Don't know. However, my larger point is that it's just one more cut amongst the thousands that is destroying our society. Fair or not regarding this show.

You should watch the show.

I consume a fair bit of entertainment and I have no idea what the hell YouBet is going on about. I guess our viewing habits must not overlap at all. I think entertainment is doing a much better job of representing stories that otherwise have received way too little attention.

This to me is just bizarre: Current white generations are now being held accountable and blamed for ancestral actions we had nothing to do with.

How has the current (or any) white generation been held accountable? I see history being highlighted, but I can't say I've seen anyone held accountable.

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You have a different definition of ancestral than I do.

I literally have neighbors who were against ending segregation in Alabama.

On the flip side, my mother was the first white person to attend her college. Her father was completely against "wasting money" on sending a girl to college so she went to the local college which happened to be a HSBC that had just opened enrollment.

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I consume a fair bit of entertainment and I have no idea what the hell YouBet is going on about. I guess our viewing habits must not overlap at all. I think entertainment is doing a much better job of representing stories that otherwise have received way too little attention.

This to me is just bizarre: Current white generations are now being held accountable and blamed for ancestral actions we had nothing to do with.

How has the current (or any) white generation been held accountable? I see history being highlighted, but I can't say I've seen anyone held accountable.

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Me earlier: The point that some of us on here make...seemingly to an audience that refuses to listen most of the time....

Point proven.

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blamed for ancestral actions

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You have a different definition of ancestral than I do.

I literally have neighbors who were against ending segregation in Alabama.

On the flip side, my mother was the first white person to attend her college. Her father was completely against "wasting money" on sending a girl to college so she went to the local college which happened to be a HSBC that had just opened enrollment.

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We can all find outliers which is why I said "largely healed over". I can find outliers of black people that hate white people and want them all dead. That is just as bad. This street goes both ways.

On your mother, mine was the same way. My grandfather refused to support my mom going to college so she left and paid her own way while literally living the Mad Men show. Fantastic show by the way. It was also 50-60 years ago. I've always laughed at younger people alive today who claim racism or some other made up penalty against them when my mom actually lived through actual full blown sexism.

To be clear, I'm in no way claiming none of this stuff didn't happen or still doesn't happen in pockets. My point is that we are freaking harping on a topic as if we still live in the 1960's. It's fake news. The vast majority of people have equal opportunity. Now that we have largely solved that we are moving onto equal outcomes which is full blown, overt racism.

I'll shut it now. I've derailed too many threads in here lately.

SWC Ag said:

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EarlCampbellsThighs said:

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SWC Ag said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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It was terribad.

Might as well have called it "The Victim Years". It was exactly what we all knew it was gonna be but were told we were just F16ers.
Lost track of the references to race. "White" this and "black" that. The entire half hour was a complete beating.

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I disagree

I think you went in looking to be offended and you were.

Well, it is set in Alabama after forced integration
Those two words were probably going to come up many times.

And the dad certainly is not coming off as a saint, especially at the baseball game.

But if you didn't like it, skip it.
I have certainly done that off one episode of a show

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I hate that take…."you went in looking to be offended"….so lazy.

No, I went in interested to see how a reboot of one of the best shows ever, and one of my favorites from my early teenage years, was going to turn out. I really want it to be good. And of course I expected civil rights to be a part of the show, it's set in 1968 for Pete's sake. But what I watched last night wasn't a "treatment" of that, it was being clubbed over the head endlessly with it. My 12 year old daughter watching it with me, turned to me about halfway in and asked "Is this show only about racism?" The only thing I told her going into it was that it was a reboot of a show from my childhood.
So spare me the subtle racist accusations. It was a beating.

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You seem flabbergasted that black people in the sixties had a different experience than you did... and flat out offended to hear people discuss it. That is the literal definition of privilege. But you do you. The show will live or die based on ratings just like every other show out there and I'm okay with that.

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"The literal definition of privilege."
Insert Estelle Bluth eye roll gif here.

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This might be the worst thing you've posted on this thread.

SWC Ag said:

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EarlCampbellsThighs said:

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SWC Ag said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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It was terribad.

Might as well have called it "The Victim Years". It was exactly what we all knew it was gonna be but were told we were just F16ers.
Lost track of the references to race. "White" this and "black" that. The entire half hour was a complete beating.

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I disagree

I think you went in looking to be offended and you were.

Well, it is set in Alabama after forced integration
Those two words were probably going to come up many times.

And the dad certainly is not coming off as a saint, especially at the baseball game.

But if you didn't like it, skip it.
I have certainly done that off one episode of a show

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I hate that take…."you went in looking to be offended"….so lazy.

No, I went in interested to see how a reboot of one of the best shows ever, and one of my favorites from my early teenage years, was going to turn out. I really want it to be good. And of course I expected civil rights to be a part of the show, it's set in 1968 for Pete's sake. But what I watched last night wasn't a "treatment" of that, it was being clubbed over the head endlessly with it. My 12 year old daughter watching it with me, turned to me about halfway in and asked "Is this show only about racism?" The only thing I told her going into it was that it was a reboot of a show from my childhood.
So spare me the subtle racist accusations. It was a beating.

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You seem flabbergasted that black people in the sixties had a different experience than you did... and flat out offended to hear people discuss it. That is the literal definition of privilege. But you do you. The show will live or die based on ratings just like every other show out there and I'm okay with that.

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"The literal definition of privilege."
Insert Estelle Bluth eye roll gif here.
Christ almighty.
You don't have the first clue about me, my background, or the background of my predecessors.
Furthermore, the idea that you think I'm blind to the fact that my upbringing was different than that of someone else's, regardless of skin color, 53 years ago is just ludicrously stupid. Thanks for the revelation.
So many lazy, pre-packaged, soundbite retorts.

Perhaps you address the actual argument that the show sucked because it was a clubbing over the head of black victimhood and white privilege (an absolute asinine and racist term itself) rather than attempting to label me as some ignorant, angry racist?

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I can address the argument
There is not one because it did not happen.
You claimed before you saw the show it was going to be this way.

I was never clubbed over the head with victimhood.
In fact, the dad seems very happy in his neighborhood, profession, and family/friends.

If I've learned one thing in life, it's that there are no winners in online arguments of race or race-adjacent topics.

So that being said, let me ask - how is the soundtrack?

YouBet said:

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Gaius Rufus said:

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SWC Ag said:

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EarlCampbellsThighs said:

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SWC Ag said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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It was terribad.

Might as well have called it "The Victim Years". It was exactly what we all knew it was gonna be but were told we were just F16ers.
Lost track of the references to race. "White" this and "black" that. The entire half hour was a complete beating.

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I disagree

I think you went in looking to be offended and you were.

Well, it is set in Alabama after forced integration
Those two words were probably going to come up many times.

And the dad certainly is not coming off as a saint, especially at the baseball game.

But if you didn't like it, skip it.
I have certainly done that off one episode of a show

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I hate that take…."you went in looking to be offended"….so lazy.

No, I went in interested to see how a reboot of one of the best shows ever, and one of my favorites from my early teenage years, was going to turn out. I really want it to be good. And of course I expected civil rights to be a part of the show, it's set in 1968 for Pete's sake. But what I watched last night wasn't a "treatment" of that, it was being clubbed over the head endlessly with it. My 12 year old daughter watching it with me, turned to me about halfway in and asked "Is this show only about racism?" The only thing I told her going into it was that it was a reboot of a show from my childhood.
So spare me the subtle racist accusations. It was a beating.

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You seem flabbergasted that black people in the sixties had a different experience than you did... and flat out offended to hear people discuss it. That is the literal definition of privilege. But you do you. The show will live or die based on ratings just like every other show out there and I'm okay with that.

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"The literal definition of privilege."
Insert Estelle Bluth eye roll gif here.
Christ almighty.
You don't have the first clue about me, my background, or the background of my predecessors.
Furthermore, the idea that you think I'm blind to the fact that my upbringing was different than that of someone else's, regardless of skin color, 53 years ago is just ludicrously stupid. Thanks for the revelation.
So many lazy, pre-packaged, soundbite retorts.

Perhaps you address the actual argument that the show sucked because it was a clubbing over the head of black victimhood and white privilege (an absolute asinine and racist term itself) rather than attempting to label me as some ignorant, angry racist?

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I would be happy to address your argument, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Are you saying that it was a "clubbing" because it didn't present racism in a way you accept? Or are you saying the show sucked because you wish it didn't address racism in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable?

It seems strange to refer to the 1960s with the term "black victim hood" while saying that "white privilege" is a racist term. I mean, you do understand how that makes you come across, right?

Additionally, do you mind explaining how "white privilege" is a racist term? Certainly after watching the wonder years reboot you can accept that white privilege exists.

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I'm not watching the show and didn't watch the original, but I'll comment from the outside looking into this show.

In a vacuum, there is nothing wrong with having this show and portraying the themes that it does as that was a sign of the times back then. The point that some of us on here make...seemingly to an audience that refuses to listen most of the time....is that much programming these days is permeated with racial tension during an era when we largely got past all of that. Current white generations are now being held accountable and blamed for ancestral actions we had nothing to do with and it's tiresome.

When it comes to entertainment, hey, we get it already. Some of us would like to be entertained without being told we are racist because we are white and that racism exists in every nook and cranny of our country when it obviously doesn't. We are riding a wave of BLM right now and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and virtue signaling the sh^t out of it to score points.

When done right and creatively I enjoy shows with these themes like anyone else. For example, I loved Get Out. I thought that was a pretty brilliant movie. However, much of what is made right now are just cheap shot pissing and moaning that manufacture racial tension and animosity for no other reason than to sow discord amongst the populace.

All we are doing is making race relations worse in this country by continually picking at a scab that had largely healed over. And white privilege is absolutely racist. It's shocking people can't understand that. How is it ok to declare an entire ethnic group as racist? What's good for the goose is good for the gander on that front.

Regarding this particular show, it might be fine and I might enjoy it if I watched it. Don't know. However, my larger point is that it's just one more cut amongst the thousands that is destroying our society. Fair or not regarding this show.

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Interesting response.

First, why do you feel like you are being blamed for previous generations actions towards blacks? What is it, specifically, that strikes a chord with you where you feel like these types of shows are specifically attacking you?

Second, why do you believe this is virtue signaling? Are you saying that stories about racism towards minorities are not worth being told?

Third, why do you want to avoid stories about racism (this goes back to the first question)?

Fourth, what shows with racial themes do you enjoy?

Fifth, how are shows like this making "race relations worse"? Could you please be specific?

Sixth, could you please explain how the term "white privilege" is racist (please be specific)? Are you saying that being white does not have inherent advantages over non-whites in American society?

Seventh, how is showcasing the type of racism that dominated American society for a very long time "destroying our society"?

Thanks for responding!

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blamed for ancestral actions

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You have a different definition of ancestral than I do.

I literally have neighbors who were against ending segregation in Alabama.

On the flip side, my mother was the first white person to attend her college. Her father was completely against "wasting money" on sending a girl to college so she went to the local college which happened to be a HSBC that had just opened enrollment.

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We can all find outliers which is why I said "largely healed over". I can find outliers of black people that hate white people and want them all dead. That is just as bad. This street goes both ways.

On your mother, mine was the same way. My grandfather refused to support my mom going to college so she left and paid her own way while literally living the Mad Men show. Fantastic show by the way. It was also 50-60 years ago. I've always laughed at younger people alive today who claim racism or some other made up penalty against them when my mom actually lived through actual full blown sexism.

To be clear, I'm in no way claiming none of this stuff didn't happen or still doesn't happen in pockets. My point is that we are freaking harping on a topic as if we still live in the 1960's. It's fake news. The vast majority of people have equal opportunity. Now that we have largely solved that we are moving onto equal outcomes which is full blown, overt racism.

I'll shut it now. I've derailed too many threads in here lately.

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Have you ever experienced racism? As in, have you ever been put at a specific disadvantage strictly because of your race?

If so, would you mind sharing what happened?

Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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EarlCampbellsThighs said:

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SWC Ag said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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SWC Ag said:

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It was terribad.

Might as well have called it "The Victim Years". It was exactly what we all knew it was gonna be but were told we were just F16ers.
Lost track of the references to race. "White" this and "black" that. The entire half hour was a complete beating.

---

I disagree

I think you went in looking to be offended and you were.

Well, it is set in Alabama after forced integration
Those two words were probably going to come up many times.

And the dad certainly is not coming off as a saint, especially at the baseball game.

But if you didn't like it, skip it.
I have certainly done that off one episode of a show

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I hate that take…."you went in looking to be offended"….so lazy.

No, I went in interested to see how a reboot of one of the best shows ever, and one of my favorites from my early teenage years, was going to turn out. I really want it to be good. And of course I expected civil rights to be a part of the show, it's set in 1968 for Pete's sake. But what I watched last night wasn't a "treatment" of that, it was being clubbed over the head endlessly with it. My 12 year old daughter watching it with me, turned to me about halfway in and asked "Is this show only about racism?" The only thing I told her going into it was that it was a reboot of a show from my childhood.
So spare me the subtle racist accusations. It was a beating.

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You seem flabbergasted that black people in the sixties had a different experience than you did... and flat out offended to hear people discuss it. That is the literal definition of privilege. But you do you. The show will live or die based on ratings just like every other show out there and I'm okay with that.

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"The literal definition of privilege."
Insert Estelle Bluth eye roll gif here.
Christ almighty.
You don't have the first clue about me, my background, or the background of my predecessors.
Furthermore, the idea that you think I'm blind to the fact that my upbringing was different than that of someone else's, regardless of skin color, 53 years ago is just ludicrously stupid. Thanks for the revelation.
So many lazy, pre-packaged, soundbite retorts.

Perhaps you address the actual argument that the show sucked because it was a clubbing over the head of black victimhood and white privilege (an absolute asinine and racist term itself) rather than attempting to label me as some ignorant, angry racist?

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I can address the argument
There is not one because it did not happen.
You claimed before you saw the show it was going to be this way.

I was never clubbed over the head with victimhood.
In fact, the dad seems very happy in his neighborhood, profession, and family/friends.

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What is funny is I thought the most "clubbing me over the head" moment of racism was the most subtle and I have t seem it mentioned.

When the white kids wouldn't drink from the water fountain after the black kids had a drink

I mean, I don't understand how some people can't at some point realize that maybe certain TV shows weren't actually made for them?

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I mean, I don't understand how some people can't at some point realize that maybe certain TV shows weren't actually made for them?

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Indeed understanding such differences is the spirit if not the definition of discrimination.

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Does it make you really mad when you turn on The View or Oprah that they aren't talking about topics more important to you as a man?

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I mean, I don't understand how some people can't at some point realize that maybe certain TV shows weren't actually made for them?

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Indeed understanding such differences is the spirit if not the definition of discrimination.

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Does it make you really mad when you turn on The View or Oprah that they aren't talking about topics more important to you as a man?

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Its makes me mad if The View is on and they are discussing anything...

Just finished the first episode. It was much better than I thought it would be. I'll definitely try to watch more. Although, watching the dad really felt like it was Gus living his dream of being a suave musician in the 60s. His outfits are pretty pimp. I really hope we find out the dad's stage name is, "Jazz Hands."