evan_aggie said:

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Everyone has to make business decisions to profit, and grow.

Are you also pissed off at Tesla? Apple? Microsoft? Amazon?

Most of Google's profits come from advertising revenue. YouTube TV is probably one of their least profitable business units.

I remember my TimeWarner bill being $150/mo including internet. If YTTV goes much over $65-$70 we're back to content provides charging more for their core channels that we all only wanted to begin with.

The idea of TV over the the internet was innovative and unique and had an edge over the lame business model from ancient providers. Now we are regressing as content providers ratchet up the price.

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Ha, I'm not pissed off about any of it, sorry if it came off that way. I find the whole thing laughable just because YTTV was being painted as the underdog in this, and that is funny.

But YTTV falls under the YouTube house at ABC inc, and let me tell you, they are one the most profitable sides of the house. Also they are damn near a monopoly (and attempting to elbow everyone out) on the OTT style video delivery platform whether it be individual or distributed content, so they have a large margin on the profit side of the house.

But as you said, the price for this has gotten way too high already, and that's the issue I had, how is it so expensive at this point? The don't have CapEx like a cable company when it comes to growing to new areas and they don't currently deal with insane franchise fees like a cable company, so how has it become almost as expensive as a comparable cable tv channel package?

Doing the math of internet plus cable with spectrum or just internet with YTTV i lose money for less channels these days in the YTTV choice after the last price increase. Plus the only thing i gain is watching tv on the go since i use Apple TV 4k's in my house and spectrum had a surprisingly good app on it. So this cutting the cuts model has just gone nuts in my opinion, and this battle where a lot of people think YTTV is the little guy fighting the big corporations is probably one of the reasons why so many still go are ok with this.

Overall it's an interesting thing to follow from every angle for me, since i don't currently have a dog in the hunt.

KidDoc said:

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I dropped YTTV for Hulu TV+ with Disney package- basically same price and works perfect. Bye bye YTTV.

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I already had the Hulu/Disney/ESPN bundle, so I just upgraded to Hulu Live. Irks me that Hulu doesn't have AMC though. And Fubo doesn't have TBS/TNT. Eventually, I'll probably end up back with ATT, with DirectTV stream. Ugh.

Still waiting for the day of channel a la carte, but know that will never happen.

Just dropped YTTV for Hulu+ live as well. Was already paying $13/month for Hulu+, so what's an addition $52 to switch away from YTTV?

Disney just wants to force people to Disney plus.

CBS has been trying to strong arm Dish for months…had to go buy an antennae or find alternate sources for sports.

I was fortunate enough to be given a tv login so I can watch ESPN channels on their app for the time being.

I don't watch Disney channels so right now I'm only out ABC which isn't a big deal. Im giving yttv a month to figure it out because I'm not a fan of the others and I have a ton of **** recorded/saved on my current account that I'm fairly certain I lose if I cancel and then reactivate down the road.

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GoAgs92 said:

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Disney just wants to force people to Disney plus.

CBS has been trying to strong arm Dish for months…had to go buy an antennae or find alternate sources for sports.

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I do not understand why people keep saying this. Neither Disney+ nor ESPN+ offer *any* of the live TV ESPN properties. No ESPN, no ESPN2, no SEC Network, etc, etc, etc.

The real reason -- Disney in is desperate need of more money because they are losing hundreds of thousands of subscribers a year, yet they have BILLIONS of dollars of commitments to the NFL, SEC, CFB, NBA...

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Wonder why there is a Disney bundle with Hulu…hmmm…

GoAgs92 said:

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RED AG 98 said:

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GoAgs92 said:

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Disney just wants to force people to Disney plus.

CBS has been trying to strong arm Dish for months…had to go buy an antennae or find alternate sources for sports.

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I do not understand why people keep saying this. Neither Disney+ nor ESPN+ offer *any* of the live TV ESPN properties. No ESPN, no ESPN2, no SEC Network, etc, etc, etc.

The real reason -- Disney in is desperate need of more money because they are losing hundreds of thousands of subscribers a year, yet they have BILLIONS of dollars of commitments to the NFL, SEC, CFB, NBA...

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Wonder why there is a Disney bundle with Hulu…hmmm…

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Because they like money? I mean seriously this literally has nothing to with Disney+.

If your point had been that Disney wanted to push people to Hulu Live then sure. But that was not your premise at all.

hmmm

Bunk Moreland said:

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I was fortunate enough to be given a tv login so I can watch ESPN channels on their app for the time being.

I don't watch Disney channels so right now I'm only out ABC which isn't a big deal. Im giving yttv a month to figure it out because I'm not a fan of the others and I have a ton of **** recorded/saved on my current account that I'm fairly certain I lose if I cancel and then reactivate down the road.

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My hulu interface is perfect on two of my TVs but on a slightly older LG it is awful. It is like the basic hulu streaming shows only it doesn't offer the live channels on that one TV. Will probably just have to chromecast live off the phone for that one TV which is annoying.

Pretty sure YTTV is owned by Google.
ABC, ESPN, Freeform, Hulu and others are owned by Disney.

How did you upgrade? I have the bundle as well. No option to upgrade to hulu live without creating new hulu account so I'd be billed by hulu instead of disney. Makes no sense.

I did it through my Hulu account

It's a Christmas miracle!!!!!

Bunk Moreland said:

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Disney and Google agree to terms.

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I wonder if google wised up and knew how much money they would lose.

Great…I just paid for Hulu live

TXAGBQ76 said:

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Pretty sure YTTV is owned by Google.
ABC, ESPN, Freeform, Hulu and others are owned by Disney.

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Lol, took me a second why you said that, but I meant Alphabet Inc (which is just as bad as Facebook creating Meta, and makes me call them ABC without realizing it) which is the parent company of Google now, so YouTube flows into that technically when it comes to revenue.

Switched to DTV Stream and enjoyed watching high school football last night. Going to give it a full month while my yttv account is paused. Don't mind paying more if I find myself watching the added channels

Ha, exactly. These things hardly ever last more than a few days, if that, and happen to cable/satellite companies all the time. Was surprised to see everyone being so reactionary to this one, in particular.

aTm2004 said:

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MSFC Aggie said:

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Great…I just paid for Hulu live

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This is why you don't go file for divorce the moment your wife makes you angry. Always give it a week.

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Noted. I got YTTV paused, so really no money loss for me.

TCTTS said:

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Ha, exactly. These things hardly ever last more than a few days, if that, and happen to cable/satellite companies all the time. Was surprised to see everyone being so reactionary to this one, in particular.

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There were no games worth even immediately switching for

They are also still honoring the $15 discount (one-time) on the next bill

powerbelly said:

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TCTTS said:

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Ha, exactly. These things hardly ever last more than a few days, if that, and happen to cable/satellite companies all the time. Was surprised to see everyone being so reactionary to this one, in particular.

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People were reactionary because switching costs were zero. That is one of the major benefits of the streaming services not having contracts.

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I get that, but wait it out and use the free subscriptions next week and the week after when the good bowls are going on.

aTm2004 said:

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powerbelly said:

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TCTTS said:

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Ha, exactly. These things hardly ever last more than a few days, if that, and happen to cable/satellite companies all the time. Was surprised to see everyone being so reactionary to this one, in particular.

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People were reactionary because switching costs were zero. That is one of the major benefits of the streaming services not having contracts.

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I get that, but wait it out and use the free subscriptions next week and the week after when the good bowls are going on.

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Directv had a free trial through Jan 1. I was able to not drop a day and still not pay anything. I also got Bally for the texas state championships.

Already cancelled Directv Stream and back to YTTV for now.

You don't think seeing the massive numbers of people switching lit a fire under their ass? We're not captive customers anymore. We can leave at the drop of the hat, and not have to wait these things out. And if we stay gone long enough it becomes harder to get us back.

I paused mine, but 75% of what I watch is sports, and my son watches disney movies all the time. So yeah I signed up for a trial on another service until it was resolved.

I'd wager they had a model built that told them within an order of magnitude how many people would churn, they weren't surprised, and it didn't light a fire. Both sides continued negotiations as they planned, they came to an agreement that they can both live with and ultimately consumers will continue to pay for the ever more expensive content.

They both needed each other. Google needs Disney in order to keep a large portion of their subscribers happy, and Disney needs Google in order to get the money from the rest of YTTV's customers who couldn't care less about sports.

TCTTS said:

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Ha, exactly. These things hardly ever last more than a few days, if that, and happen to cable/satellite companies all the time. Was surprised to see everyone being so reactionary to this one, in particular.

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We were only reactionary because unlike when they threatened to remove NBC but came to an agreement before anything happened, this time they actually DID remove the channels.

And like an idiot I read this thread and the one on Premuim and got convinced it was gonna take awhile to resolve.

As of right now, I am still not seeing ABC or the ESPN channels back in my guide. The email made it sound like they'd be back yesterday at some point.

Anyone seeing them back yet ?

I'm not seeing the local ABC, but seeing all the rest. Just restart your app if you haven't already.

CoppellAg93 said:

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As of right now, I am still not seeing ABC or the ESPN channels back in my guide. The email made it sound like they'd be back yesterday at some point.

Anyone seeing them back yet ?

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Both are back for me.