That guy really didn't say anything, just a word salad of hollywood is bad and it used to be good. Of the two movies he mentioned in a negative way, one made plenty of money, the other was direct to streaming so I am not sure why they are "flops"

Stop sniffing their own farts.

Done and done.

Eagerly awaiting the angry response from one poster on this, but compare the top grossing he late 90's/early 200s and today.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2022/?grossesOption=calendarGrosses

When you all but eliminate romance movies, comedies, or movies with substance from what's getting prime dates and press, all you're left with are movies for 7 year olds, or 20 something dudes. Of course volume will be down. Most of the exceptions to that are franchises or nostalgia (Top Gun, SW, Bond etc). Very little new IP creative stuff being made compared to even a few years ago.

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Eagerly awaiting the angry response from one poster on this, but compare the top grossing he late 90's/early 200s and today.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2022/?grossesOption=calendarGrosses

When you all but eliminate romance movies, comedies, or movies with substance from what's getting prime dates and press, all you're left with are movies for 7 year olds, or 20 something dudes. Of course volume will be down. Most of the exceptions to that are franchises or nostalgia (Top Gun, SW, Bond etc). Very little new IP creative stuff being made compared to even a few years ago.

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Agreed.

I imagine there is a whole cohort of people who just aren't interested in superhero/comic book/reboot movies. They aren't avoiding the theater and waiting for those movies to stream. They just don't care about them in any format.

For those folks, the pickings are slim.

I think a significant % of the population, including me, has become kind of fed up/jaded over Hollywood in general. It's by and large a bunch of preachy, hyper politically biased, narcissistic, often times sociopathic hypocrites. I get that certain people will deny this, and maybe me and others are wrong for viewing them this way, but the point is that that is the perception by a growing number of people.

Just randomly, let's take Mark Ruffalo and Judd Apatow for instance (they aren't even the worst). Both super left winged, and they have made it beyond clear how stupid and backwards they think the people who voted for "orange man bad" over their preferred dementia riddled candidate are. They literally think my sweet, smart and uber-charitable mother is (a) STUPID, or (b) EVIL, because she didn't vote for their braindead guy. They have made this clear, as has a see of preachy hypocritical virtue signaling clowns in Hollywood. Oh, but they want our money and get frustrated when we don't take their ridicule and ask for more.

It's just a major turn off and I think many people are checking out because they just don't like Hollywood people. I know quite a few friends who are in this boat.

Them just sticking to entertaining us, and engaging in charity/activism to their heart's content, but not preaching down to, or demonizing others, would go A LONG WAY. I know some prominent posters on here are going to disagree on this, and my post may get yanked, but just an honest opinion. Just imagine if Hollywood was overrun by a bunch of hard core right wingers who didn't live what they preached and always demonized and ridiculed and lectured to the left half of the country. I don't think these people should be off limits from harsh criticism. They are the ultimate out-of-touch hypocrites.

I don't give a **** about any of that. They're just not making many movies that i want to go to a theater and see.

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I don't give a **** about any of that. They're just not making many movies that i want to go to a theater and see.

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Yep, that's true...not much originality. It's a double whammy. But just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean hundreds of thousands, or even millions don't.

I don't even know if they'll make another good highly entertaining mainstream comedy again. Comedy movies seem dead.

In a weird way, it almost seems like they have run out of ideas...can you get to that point? Where you've just pretty much covered everything there is to cover in a particular genre?

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You got that right!

I watch movies, I couldn't tell you Mark Ruffalo's politics, I wouldn't even know what Apatow looks like much less recall anything he has ever said.

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I watch movies, I couldn't tell you Mark Ruffalo's politics, I wouldn't even know what Apatow looks like much less recall anything he has ever said.

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Good for you I guess? You probably don't know that Jenn Lawrence turned her back on her family because they didn't vote for her guy as well. But some of us follow more than just movies/video games or whatever. These people literally hate/look down on half of the country and have zero desire to hide it, but they want our money....more and more people are noticing, I promise you.

LOL, these people are beyond broken and delusional...and this is from a person who is not even considered "crazy" by Hollywood standards.

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Stop making films for critics and return back to making films for the audience. Study why films sometimes get 90%+ from critics but <40% from audiences. Give more weight to the audience score than the critic score.

This used to not happen. We can all discuss why, I suppose, but I wont here. Usually the RT score was pretty close to the audience score.

No, I didn't know that either. I didn't realize I was supposed to be paying attention to Jennifer Lawrence comments from 6 years ago. Do you have a newsletter or podcast I can subscribe to so I can stay up to date on the hard hitting news of the day.

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Just imagine if Hollywood was overrun by a bunch of hard core right wingers who didn't live what they preached and always demonized and ridiculed and lectured to the left half of the country. I don't think these people should be off limits from harsh criticism. They are the ultimate out-of-touch hypocrites.

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Why do i get the feeling that you wouldn't have this same issue if Hollywood was overrun with preachy hardcore right wingers....

inb4 "No, i would totally criticize right wingers too.."

Stop preaching politics. Stop constructing plot lines that portray as negative anybody and any idea that isn't a left wing nut job. Stop shoe horning in racial minorities, gays, and trannies for no reason other than so-called "diversity."

It's pretty simple. But they'll never stop because the people making these movies are deranged and will never even admit that they are doing all of the above, and the left wing sycophants who support them will run to their defense and likewise pretend that they aren't doing all of the above.

Agreed we need less movies with homoeroticism and more movies like Top Gun.

Celebrities and their obsession with social media. Every news outlet will publish what some idiot actors political belief are or some product they are trying to sell. Movie theatres are finished. Not from Covid but from audiences who play on their phones and/or talk during the movie.

You just described me. I won't see most of the stuff that comes out because their politics bother me. This year has been anomalous for us in that we saw Barbarian and Smile at the movie theatre (we're horror fans). We wouldn't normally do that.

Here's an idea, Hollywood. Stop with the stupid superhero movies. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I've only been forced to sit through one in my entire life...and it could not end fast enough for me - Black Panther. Don't understand why so many millions love these types of movies, but I suppose many don't understand my affinity for late 70s and early 80s punk.

Movie theaters aren't even remotely finished.

The over the top takes here are hilarious, and of course this thread ended up being a bat signal for F16 types…

Hollywood no doubt sucks in certain ways, and the movies coming out in theaters admittedly aren't what they used to be. That's beyond obvious. But TV is better than ever, and that's where a number of those great stories went and now live. They didn't go away. That, and we're *still* feeling the effects of Covid in terms of a sparse theatrical slate. Thankfully, that's about to end and, again, output in 2023 is going to feel very pre-pandemic, starting here in just a couple months.

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The over the top takes here are hilarious, and of course this thread ended up being a bat signal for F16 types…

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Ha! These threads are a bat signal for you, too.

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Staff, sincere question… why did you leave the post complaining about "racial minorities, gays, and trannies" in movies, but *deleted* and reprimanded the post complaining about the person who said those things? Seriously? That's the message TexAgs is sending?

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Agreed we need less movies with homoeroticism and more movies like Top Gun.

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If that was meant to be ironic, perfectly done.

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You just described me. I won't see most of the stuff that comes out because their politics bother me. This year has been anomalous for us in that we saw Barbarian and Smile at the movie theatre (we're horror fans). We wouldn't normally do that.

Here's an idea, Hollywood. Stop with the stupid superhero movies. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I've only been forced to sit through one in my entire life...and it could not end fast enough for me - Black Panther. Don't understand why so many millions love these types of movies, but I suppose many don't understand my affinity for late 70s and early 80s punk.

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I hear you, but for me it was never really just about their politics. I have always known that they were almost all left winged...but really back then it was maybe Meryl Streep, Susan Sarandon, and Tim Robbins using their awards ceremony to engage in preachy political BS.

Now it's just been made clear how the vast majority feel about us. Their intolerance and hypocrisy is what really bothers me. I am not going to go give money to a bunch of people and directors and producers who hate me and think I'm stupid because I didn't...check notes...vote for Biden and Kamalol.

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Staff, sincere question… why did you leave the post complaining about "racial minorities, gays, and trannies" in movies, but *deleted* and reprimanded the post complaining about the person who said those things? Seriously? That's the message TexAgs is sending?

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Let's be honest here...that was not his point...that there are gays and minorities in movies. It's the super forced approach of bending over backwards to focus on that as top priority in so many films, shows, and commercials that he seems to have a problem with. You may disagree, and that's fair, but he was not simply lamenting "who let the datgum colored folks in the movie industry!" like you're making it sound.

these were his words...

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Movie theaters aren't even remotely finished.

The over the top takes here are hilarious, and of course this thread ended up being a bat signal for F16 types…

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Do you think if so many Hollywood actors didn't constantly inject their hate fueled preachy politics we would even be talking about it over here? I love how you always bash any anonymous message board poster who criticizes or complains about Hollywood for being super inundated with politics and preachiness (and hatefulness and intolerance). Like it's some illegitimate gripe that so many actors with voices who reach millions are basically calling half the country stupid and/or evil. Even the ones who are nicer about it and just want to politely lecture us politically...it gets old.

I PROMISE YOU, yall would understand if the shoe were on the other foot. Trust me, I didn't have this problem before social media when we all knew they were liberal, but only like 2 or 3 loony celebs ever spoke out. Sean Penn is another wackjob I forgot to mention earlier. But it was pretty much just a handful or less who would derail shows to lecture us peasants politically. Now it's out of control...and hardly any of them live what they preach. They are the epitome of privilege and entitlement.

A lot of you have a problem with us having a problem with it because you are largely sympathetic to their views. But I think the more reasonable take is just to expect Hollywood to go back to entertaining...as a bunch of drama geeks and liberal arts majors really shouldn't be lecturing those in the real world on politics, left or right.

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I think a significant % of the population, including me, has become kind of fed up/jaded over Hollywood in general. It's by and large a bunch of preachy, hyper politically biased, narcissistic, often times sociopathic hypocrites. I get that certain people will deny this, and maybe me and others are wrong for viewing them this way, but the point is that that is the perception by a growing number of people.

Just randomly, let's take Mark Ruffalo and Judd Apatow for instance (they aren't even the worst). Both super left winged, and they have made it beyond clear how stupid and backwards they think the people who voted for "orange man bad" over their preferred dementia riddled candidate are. They literally think my sweet, smart and uber-charitable mother is (a) STUPID, or (b) EVIL, because she didn't vote for their braindead guy. They have made this clear, as has a see of preachy hypocritical virtue signaling clowns in Hollywood. Oh, but they want our money and get frustrated when we don't take their ridicule and ask for more.

It's just a major turn off and I think many people are checking out because they just don't like Hollywood people. I know quite a few friends who are in this boat.

Them just sticking to entertaining us, and engaging in charity/activism to their heart's content, but not preaching down to, or demonizing others, would go A LONG WAY. I know some prominent posters on here are going to disagree on this, and my post may get yanked, but just an honest opinion. Just imagine if Hollywood was overrun by a bunch of hard core right wingers who didn't live what they preached and always demonized and ridiculed and lectured to the left half of the country. I don't think these people should be off limits from harsh criticism. They are the ultimate out-of-touch hypocrites.

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Most of the population doesn't make politics their identity.

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I think a significant % of the population, including me, has become kind of fed up/jaded over Hollywood in general. It's by and large a bunch of preachy, hyper politically biased, narcissistic, often times sociopathic hypocrites. I get that certain people will deny this, and maybe me and others are wrong for viewing them this way, but the point is that that is the perception by a growing number of people.

Just randomly, let's take Mark Ruffalo and Judd Apatow for instance (they aren't even the worst). Both super left winged, and they have made it beyond clear how stupid and backwards they think the people who voted for "orange man bad" over their preferred dementia riddled candidate are. They literally think my sweet, smart and uber-charitable mother is (a) STUPID, or (b) EVIL, because she didn't vote for their braindead guy. They have made this clear, as has a see of preachy hypocritical virtue signaling clowns in Hollywood. Oh, but they want our money and get frustrated when we don't take their ridicule and ask for more.

It's just a major turn off and I think many people are checking out because they just don't like Hollywood people. I know quite a few friends who are in this boat.

Them just sticking to entertaining us, and engaging in charity/activism to their heart's content, but not preaching down to, or demonizing others, would go A LONG WAY. I know some prominent posters on here are going to disagree on this, and my post may get yanked, but just an honest opinion. Just imagine if Hollywood was overrun by a bunch of hard core right wingers who didn't live what they preached and always demonized and ridiculed and lectured to the left half of the country. I don't think these people should be off limits from harsh criticism. They are the ultimate out-of-touch hypocrites.

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Most of the population doesn't make politics their identity.

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Sorry to have upset you all. I was wrong, no one cares that Hollywood is hyper political and hates them. In fact, it's GREAT for business and they should ratchet it up much more.

Yall have a good one.

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As long as they don't go full on crazy, I don't care about the politics from anyone I watch on TV or film.

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Again, if we cared about the personal politics of actors and musicians, none of us complaining would have ever seen any movies, watched any shows, or consumed any music. We have always known what their overwhelming hive-mind politics were. You can be blackballed from their industry if you are openly conservative...Chris Pratt seems to be the rare exception, because he operates with a tremendous amount of tact and doesn't outwardly express his views like the liberal actors do, with zero recourse.

I just wanted to point out again, that is not the issue we have with them. I knew that almost all actors/actresses were left wing when I was a young conservative student at A&M going to see movies all the time, sometimes several a week...or even back to back features.

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Staff, sincere question… why did you leave the post complaining about "racial minorities, gays, and trannies" in movies, but *deleted* and reprimanded the post complaining about the person who said those things? Seriously? That's the message TexAgs is sending?

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I know reading comprehension is an elusive skill, but I'm not complaining about racial minorities, gays, and trannies being in movies. I am complaining about them being shoehorned into movies just for "diversity" rather than for a purpose that serves the narrative. I just want the best actor or actress for each role, and I don't want gay propaganda injected into everything I watch just so there is "representation" of gays.

I just want every casting decision and narrative decision to serve the plot, and not some extrinsic whacked out political agenda. That seems like common sense to me.

The post that staff deleted basically just called me a racist, as did you by completely misquoting what I said. That's why it was deleted. Not a difficult concept to grasp. I know you agree with the left-wing political agenda being pushed by Hollywood, so you feel the need to defend this absurdity, but many of us don't agree with it and would like to be entertained without being insulted or force-fed propaganda.