Yeah...I don't recognize anything after Last Crusade.

Never saw Crystal Skull and don't plan to see this,

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Yeah...I don't recognize anything after Last Crusade.

Never saw Crystal Skull and don't plan to see this,

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My favorite leak is the eye-rolling ending that Indy gets erased from time and sacrificing himself only for Bridge's character, who by the way was shown to be super awesome and more competent than him the whole movie, after he's wiped in the middle of his previous adventures she picks up the hat and takes his whole role in existence. The movie will end with the setup for launching the new Indy series staring Bridge. Sorry but this has KK's fingerprints all over it as if her mugshot was on the movie poster itself. Personally I hope it's right just for the comedy of it.

Is this the ending where Indy gets shot and starting to go in and out of consciousness and he wakes up and he's back as Han Solo being freed by Princess Leia from the carbonite??

I don't know. Trailer I saw looked entertaining

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Is this the ending where Indy gets shot and starting to go in and out of consciousness and he wakes up and he's back as Han Solo being freed by Princess Leia from the carbonite??

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Sign me up!

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Didn't see anything on the first two pages but has anyone else heard this movie is terrible, like worse than Crystal Skull?

I've heard they've shot 4 endings with none of them testing well with the test audience. Also, there's a plot leak online and from what I've read, it's pretty lame.

Anyone else have more info?

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This is all bullsh*t info, originating from that ridiculously stupid "Doomcock" YouTube account, "news" from which has been shared here before, which I've had to shoot down multiple times. I seriously don't understand how/why people pay any attention to that pathetic piece of sh*t, seeing as not a single thing he's ever said has ever come true.

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97 said:

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Didn't see anything on the first two pages but has anyone else heard this movie is terrible, like worse than Crystal Skull?

I've heard they've shot 4 endings with none of them testing well with the test audience. Also, there's a plot leak online and from what I've read, it's pretty lame.

Anyone else have more info?

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This is all bullsh*t info, originating from that ridiculously stupid "Doomcock" YouTube account, "news" from which has been shared here before, which I've had to shoot down multiple times. I seriously don't understand how/why people pay any attention to that pathetic piece of sh*t, seeing as not a single thing he's ever said has ever come true.

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While I agree "Doomcock" is little more than a rumor mill, the reason why you have to keep shooting stuff down is quite simple. From the perspective of fans, Lucasfilm creatively is either in the hands of amateurs or agenda-pushers(depending on the project), neither cares about written lore. Some blatantly despise it probably because it gives them constraints to the story that they're trying to sell. Unfortunately, the changes that come from the "I can do it better" mentality means the universe is often retconed or spiting established and beloved characters to elevate the unestablished and new characters. In retrospect the big 3(Luke, Han, Leia) in the sequel trilogy were only there to make their predecessors look infinitely better. Frankly fans don't like it because it feels like it's a spit in the face of those characters that were great in their own trilogy(many peoples' cherished childhood memories too).

Now give these same creatives the control of an Indiana Jones movie, fans are expecting that Indy is going to be trashed in favor of Waller-Bridge's character because the same creators did the exact same thing to Star Wars. This situation becomes even more likely when they have a series to push afterwards. This calls back to our prior discussions about Mary Sues and making female characters perfect for the "I am woman hear me roar agenda". I would welcome a well done Indy reboot. Regardless, there needs to be a rebooting 101 class at Disney and use Top Gun: Maverick as the teaching material.

I think Disney's problem is they can't just tell a self contained and plot resolving story because they need to to setup the next franchise or story. I trust Filoni if they(i.e. KK) can leave him alone to make his shows.

TCCTS, I thought it was an open secret that Indy 5 has had terrible test screenings so far. Is this just false?

As an additional note I also think Harrison Ford wants to kill off his classic characters(I guess to finalize their story), but I'll admit that I'm pulling that part out of my rear.

Or how bout this?? We need this story!

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TCTTS said:

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97 said:

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Didn't see anything on the first two pages but has anyone else heard this movie is terrible, like worse than Crystal Skull?

I've heard they've shot 4 endings with none of them testing well with the test audience. Also, there's a plot leak online and from what I've read, it's pretty lame.

Anyone else have more info?

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This is all bullsh*t info, originating from that ridiculously stupid "Doomcock" YouTube account, "news" from which has been shared here before, which I've had to shoot down multiple times. I seriously don't understand how/why people pay any attention to that pathetic piece of sh*t, seeing as not a single thing he's ever said has ever come true.

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While I agree "Doomcock" is little more than a rumor mill, the reason why you have to keep shooting stuff down is quite simple. From the perspective of fans, Lucasfilm creatively is either in the hands of amateurs or agenda-pushers(depending on the project), neither cares about written lore. Some blatantly despise it probably because it gives them constraints to the story that they're trying to sell. Unfortunately, the changes that come from the "I can do it better" mentality means the universe is often retconed or spiting established and beloved characters to elevate the unestablished and new characters. In retrospect the big 3(Luke, Han, Leia) in the sequel trilogy were only there to make their predecessors look infinitely better. Frankly fans don't like it because it feels like it's a spit in the face of those characters that were great in their own trilogy(many peoples' cherished childhood memories too).

Now give these same creatives the control of an Indiana Jones movie, fans are expecting that Indy is going to be trashed in favor of Waller-Bridge's character because the same creators did the exact same thing to Star Wars. This situation becomes even more likely when they have a series to push afterwards. This calls back to our prior discussions about Mary Sues and making female characters perfect for the "I am woman hear me roar agenda". I would welcome a well done Indy reboot. Regardless, there needs to be a rebooting 101 class at Disney and use Top Gun: Maverick as the teaching material.

I think Disney's problem is they can't just tell a self contained and plot resolving story because they need to to setup the next franchise or story. I trust Filoni if they(i.e. KK) can leave him alone to make his shows.

TCCTS, I thought it was an open secret that Indy 5 has had terrible test screenings so far. Is this just false?

As an additional note I also think Harrison Ford wants to kill off his classic characters(I guess to finalize their story), but I'll admit that I'm pulling that part out of my rear.

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These are broad, sweeping generalizations that completely ignore the success of things like Rogue One, The Mandalorian and Andor. Yes, there are certainly some truths there, but those truths don't at all justify believing some Power-Rangers-villian-looking motherf/cker who calls himself "Doomcock." Seriously, how can any human being with a functioning brain watch this assh*le of a clown and believe a single word he says? This sh*t is made solely for losers and incels, so much so that I would be embarrassed to admit I even followed sources that legitimately quote him...

And yeah, there's this.

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3096863/1

Damnit TC, you're ruining the carefully crafted alternate reality some folks are stubbornly living in.

Mangold had said they haven't screened anything yet.

That said, if the movie is some setup for Bridge to take on the role (whatever the ending) and reboot the franchise with a newer, younger actor, I'm out. Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones the same way Johnny Depp is Pirates of the Caribbean. Replace them with anyone else and it's just not worth watching.

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Damnit TC, you're ruining the carefully crafted alternate reality some folks are stubbornly living in.

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Nah, that's going strong. Even here, on this thread, there is a post denying the existence of Crystal Skull.

I think you're both right.

For one, Disney and Lucasfilm ****ed up the sequel trilogy beyond belief. There is no denying that hunter is right about the sequels. The writing was childish fan fiction that killed of the original main characters in favor of "better" new characters, and the push for a diverse cast of leads just resulted in terrible meandering plot lines. There was a lack of planning and story, and it felt like those involved were trying to recreate or "fix" SW instead of add to it.

That said, Rogue One was released in the same time frame, and it was exceptional. Gilroy did an amazing job adding to the SW universe and leaving his own mark without trying to one up George Lucas. It was new and different and spectacular. Disney should have learned their lesson with it at the time, but they kept moving in the direction of the sequels, which ultimately damaged the brand. Solo was obviously terrible on its own, but the divisiveness and failure of the TLJ really hurt it as well. It was a step away from Rogue One and another step in the direction of the sequels, and it bombed hard.

Someone at Disney got the hint, and The Mandalorian was put into the hands of people who understood and were involved in the franchise and were deeply emotionally invested in it. Favreau and Filoni had done something similar to Gilroy with Clone Wars, and they were the perfect picks for The Mandalorian. Unfortunately, they also gave us Boba Fett, but no one is perfect. We also got Gilroy back for Andor, which is an absolute masterpiece.

That said, the team behind The Acolyte worries me that they're falling back to their old bad habits from the sequels. Headland is, as you've said before, "outspoken." Rayne Roberts was involved with producing the sequel trilogy and Solo (albeit along with Rogue One), and Damian Anderson was also involved in Solo and WW84. I'm not saying this can't or won't be different or that they're in the same roles as they were in those films, but it almost feels like they're getting the band back together and haven't learned anything.

If Disney/Lucasfilm have indeed not learned how to deal with developing franchise material, then this could very easily turn into a movie that is Crystal Skull or worse. That said, I would love for this to be good because I love the Indiana Jones movies, notwithstanding Crystal Skull. However, I am hesitant because of the inconsistency within Star Wars and the fact that the last Indiana Jones was a face palm attempt at rebooting the franchise and replacing Harrison Ford with Shia Labeouf. I wouldn't put it past Lucasfilm to try that again.

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I think you're both right. (Snip)

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Well said. The handling of the sequel trilogy by Disney was baffling. The franchise is narratively in a worse spot than after Return of the Jedi. It was like no one ever stopped to ask what stories can we tell from here?

I mean what does a future timeline story even look like? Is Rey restarting the Jedi order? Who are the villains? What is left?

It seems Disney can't even figure out where to go so they just make more stories set before the sequels.

I just hope Andor gives them the courage to tell more non-space opera stories in the Star Wars universe.

Just make good stories.

Happy Days brought us "jumped the shark".
Crystal Skull brought us "nuked the fridge".

How much worse can it get?

Is this the most worked up TCTTS has been in quite some time?

Also, guys, again, this movie is written and directed by James Mangold, the writer/director behind Walk the Line, Logan, and Ford v Ferrari. He's one of the best, most reliable filmmakers out there. Given his pedigree, and given the lessons learned on Crystal Skull, the chances of them screwing this up are actually pretty low.

I hope this is the case, but I'm not 100%. Mangold has a good pedigree, but let's not forget that crystal skull was Lucas and Spielberg. Kind of hard to beat that pedigree.

IMO, the greatest cause for concern is the MacGuffin. Indiana Jones is 2/2 when it comes to movies need some historic/legendary relics in the ark of the covenant and holy grail. It's 0/2 in essentially made up MacGuffins or MacGuffins loosely based on objects. The dial of destiny wild seemingly fit into the latter category.

How about we acknowledge that's exactly what I'm doing? I'm not saying it's destined to be a piece of crap, I'm saying I'm skeptical but hopeful. I will see it regardless.

Yes, Lucas made some bad choices. That's why I'm saying great pedigree doesn't always make a great movie. I like a lot of Mangold's work, but I also liked a lot of Lucas's and Spielberg's and still thought crystal skull was crap. I'm hoping lessons were learned from crystal skull and other recent franchise reboot failures, but Kathleen Kennedy is still running Lucasfilm, so you never know.

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How about we give the movie a chance before needlessly and endlessly worrying about it?

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Oh, I'm well aware.

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When will the barrage of twitter reviews from dbags who wouldn't know a good film if it bit them on the @ss happen?

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Also, guys, again, this movie is written and directed by James Mangold, the writer/director behind Walk the Line, Logan, and Ford v Ferrari. He's one of the best, most reliable filmmakers out there. Given his pedigree, and given the lessons learned on Crystal Skull, the chances of them screwing this up are actually pretty low.

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Just to play devil's advocate, because I agree that Mangold is a great film maker.

But Indiana Jones is kinda a different beast than all of those other movies. Indy/Star Wars have a lot of childhood nostalgia that really clouds people ability to objectively view those stories. I know I am guilty of this as it relates to Star Wars.

Here is what I think the biggest issue will be:

For Logan, I think people were ready to say goodbye to Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and this story brought closure. And people secretly knew a version of Wolverine would be back.

I, and a lot of people, were not ready to say goodbye to Luke/Han/Leia. And what we got was a pretty bad way to do it. If I am being honest, I am not sure there is even a good way. My inner kid wants Luke/Han/Leia out there fighting evil.

I think Indiana Jones, is the same way for a lot of people. They want him out there recovering treasure and stopping Nazis.

I am not sure any director can make a movie that people will feel good about saying good bye to Indiana Jones.

Not saying it won't be good. But it is going to be a hard story to tell, regardless of talent.