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*** PERRY MASON *** (Season 2)

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It's been nearly three years since season one, but season two finally returns this Monday. I remember really liking most of the first season, though it kind of going off the rails a bit in the finale? Regardless, this is a whole new case, and what looks like could be an incredible return. I love this world, these characters, and the whole vibe...

Perry Mason
Season 2 (8 Episodes)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2077823/
March 6, 2023
HBO + HBO Max



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Watched the first season recently. This is a really good re-imagining of the original. I was a huge fan of the original.
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Ditto. Just finished the first season and while it wasn't perfect I loved it. Really looking forward to season 2.
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Interesting that they brought it back with new show runners.
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Solid start to the season. A bit too much of a setup/reacclimation episode, but I like where things are heading, and I love being back in this world. If anything, it still looks like a million bucks and is one of the best-shot shows on TV.
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Enjoyed the first season, this first episode didn't disappoint.
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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TCTTS said:

Solid start to the season. A bit too much of a setup/reacclimation episode, but I like where things are heading, and I love being back in this world. If anything, it still looks like a million bucks and is one of the best-shot shows on TV.
I was late to season 1 but I loved it. Watched the season 2 premiere last night and I really enjoyed it. Agree 100% on how good the show looks. I thought the same about Babylon, I love how it looks. I think visuals don't get the same attention they should IMO. With advancements in technology I think a lot of shows/movies look too clean. It might be silly but how something is shot can make a big difference in the viewing experience for me, and this show gets it just right. Maybe it's also the old man in me, but I love a story that takes place when there were no such things as cell phones. Especially when you're dealing with a story that's based on investigating, the lack of computers makes it more compelling to me.
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Yep, I can't stand the flat, clean, digital look of most modern television (and movies, for that matter) either. Even though I'm almost positive this is shot digitally as well, they manage to make it look so lush, lived in, and even a bit grainy, with incredible framing and lighting.
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Excited to dive in to the second season - liked the actors, vibe, but didn't find the case compelling. The reviews I've read on the second season seem stronger.
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Really great interview with Matthew Rhys. Dude seems like such a fun, down-to-earth guy, whose accent sounds more different in real life than any other Brit I've heard who routinely plays Americans. It's incredible that he and Perry Mason are one and the same…

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I see what you mean about his accent, lol. Mist brit actors who play Americans routinely have the more refined Anthony Hopkins or Henry Cavill type of accent. Rhys sounds straight out of a Guy Ritchie London ganster movie.
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Ha, exactly.
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Hell yeah, I love a good getting-the-team-back-together episode. A lot of great sleuthing too. Excellent second episode all around.
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There's nothing revolutionary or groundbreaking about this show. No jaw-dropping plot twists, heart-breaking decisions, philosophical conundrums posed. But damned if it isn't becoming one of my favorite shows on tv. It just proves all you need is solid storytelling and great acting. Of course the fantastic production value put into it doesn't hurt. If Rhys keeps up this performance he's going to become one of those actors I seek out whatever he's in and make a point of watching it.
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Through the first few episodes I thought this season was pretty slow, but I really enjoyed last night. Feels like season 2 is getting more intense. I really enjoy when Paul is more involved, he does the things Perry can't/won't do.

My guess is that the person following Della to the lesbian bar is investigating her and Burger collectively. They are each other's beards IIRC from season one. Their orientation was not remotely socially acceptable in the early 20th century. Getting the brothers to take a deal could be as much about Burger's self preservation as anything. McCutcheon is investigating them both to have this go his way.
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Yeah, fantastic episode. Best of the season so far, with a couple of incredible moments (the finger print scene, the confession/beating). Also, such a great way to take the stakes up a notch, by not taking the plea deal.
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Great season so far, one of the best of the year, with one episode to go. So many good twists and turns, especially the big one tonight. Can't wait to see how they wrap it all up next week.
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TCTTS said:

Great season so far, one of the best of the year, with one episode to go. So many good twists and turns, especially the big one tonight. Can't wait to see how they wrap it all up next week.
It looks fantastic and all the money HBO spent is on the screen for sure but this season just hasn't been as compelling as the first.

I think it's missing a really compelling villain...Lydell doesn't really do it for me and he appears a red herring anyway. I really hate Milligan but he's not a villain as much as Perry's adversary. The first season had the dirty cop and a more compelling storyline...this one just isn't as riveting IMO.

That said I'm hoping for a great finale Monday.
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Prosperdick said:

TCTTS said:

Great season so far, one of the best of the year, with one episode to go. So many good twists and turns, especially the big one tonight. Can't wait to see how they wrap it all up next week.
It looks fantastic and all the money HBO spent is on the screen for sure but this season just hasn't been as compelling as the first.

I think it's missing a really compelling villain...Lydell doesn't really do it for me and he appears a red herring anyway. I really hate Milligan but he's not a villain as much as Perry's adversary. The first season had the dirty cop and a more compelling storyline...this one just isn't as riveting IMO.

That said I'm hoping for a great finale Monday.
I wouldn't say this season is less compelling, at least to me, it's just been different, a slower burn IMO.
I do think that the reveal that the two brothers did indeed kill Brooks McCutcheon does completely change the perspective of the show though. They're guilty of murder, the end. I do think it's entertaining to see how all these different people are interconnected in the greater plot. I also think it's fun to see Pete sell out Perry to the DA but also try to help him solve this thing, he's a mercenary at the end of the day. I'm mainly curious to see how Perry gets out of being disbarred as a result of this. I'm sure there's a card that gets played in the last episode to make sure that doesn't happen. Perry holds a pretty big card over McCutcheon and Camilla with his discovery.

I really enjoy this show, I hope we get more of it after this season, it's just so well made.
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Sorry but this season was just....OK.

There are mainly three components to a great season: cinematography, acting, and plot. This season was beautifully shot and acted and sometimes 2 out of 3 is enough but not this time.

This just wasn't a compelling plot and because you knew the killer(s) fairly early on (which isn't a spoiler as early as it's revealed) it just left the identity of the puppet master, which was pretty under-whelming.

What drove the plots of most Perry Mason mysteries was finding the "real killer" and you felt sympathy for the wrongly accused along the way (as well as rooting for Perry to figure it out). It was hard to garner sympathy for brothers who killed for money (and yes, revenge) and although there is a little redemption at the end it was hardly satisfying.

Finally, I mentioned 3 elements above for a great season and there is a 4th that sometimes plays a role and that's the soundtrack/backing music. Sometimes it can actually push the narrative along when done correctly...for Perry Mason the sad trumpet just got old and a bit corny. Yes, I know it was a staple of the old noir movies of that period but they didn't have a problem updating a lot of the other elements of the show, why keep it. Yes, I did enjoy Louis Armstrong so kudos there.

Hopefully if there is a 3rd season they can get back to what made the Erle Stanley Gardner books so beloved.
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Personally, I really enjoyed this season, and thought it was incredibly solid. Was it as explosive or as dark as last season? No. Maybe a little too tidy? Sure. I thought that last season ultimately got a little out of hand, though - IMO, they went a bit overboard in trying to be "gritty Perry Mason" - and I appreciated the more steady, subdued hand this go around, even if it wasn't quite as sensational.

I thought the case was compelling enough, full of some great twists and turns. More than anything it was a vessel for our main characters' respective arcs, each of which I really loved. Perry sacrificing himself in the end, by taking jail time himself, was such a nice touch.

Granted, I've never seen the old iteration, or read the books, but this season was everything I wanted from this show, and didn't need it to be anything more than what we got.

Really hoping there's a third season as well (and a fourth and a fifth...). Matthew Rhys says he game to play this character forever, basically, and I'll be there as long as HBO wants to let him.
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TCTTS said:

Personally, I really enjoyed this season, and thought it was incredibly solid. Was it as explosive or as dark as last season? No. Maybe a little too tidy? Sure. I thought that last season ultimately got a little out of hand, though - IMO, they went a bit overboard in trying to be "gritty Perry Mason" - and I appreciated the more steady, subdued hand this go around, even if it wasn't quite as sensational.

I thought the case was compelling enough, full of some great twists and turns. More than anything it was a vessel for our main characters' respective arcs, each of which I really loved. Perry sacrificing himself in the end, by taking jail time himself, was such a nice touch.

Granted, I've never seen the old iteration, or read the books, but this season was everything I wanted from this show, and didn't need it to be anything more than what we got.

Really hoping there's a third season as well (and a fourth and a fifth...). Matthew Rhys says he game to play this character forever, basically, and I'll be there as long as HBO wants to let him.
This show demonstrates that not everything we watch needs a holy **** moment, it just needs to be well made by people that care. It didn't need to be True Detective set in the 1930s, it was the show it needed to be, which is all I wanted at the end of the day. It's reserved and subtle, it doesn't have to hit you over the head with anything.

I think that what you're talking about with season 1 vs 2 probably had to do with some outside influence, they probably felt a need to go darker given a lot of HBOs programming. I preferred this season as well, this to me is what the show was supposed to be. They could lean more on the actors in this show, who are phenomenal by the way, to tell the story. I can't think of an actor that has been out of place or that I'd want to replace with anyone else, it's perfectly cast IMO.

I also appreciated that in the end he had to pay the piper. He knew he shouldn't have held onto the murder weapon, but he did, and also had to handle the consequences. He was mad at Pete, but in the end it was his own choice that was the problem, Pete is just Pete. He can't speak about truth and justice in the context of the law and also consider himself to be above what he holds most important.

Give me more of that show and I'll gladly watch. I think Matthew Rhys is a must-watch actor. I can remember seeing him on Brothers and Sisters which my wife was a fan of, then showing up on The Americans, and now Perry Mason. He just keeps getting better.
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All very well said.
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TCTTS said:


Well, shoot. Too expensive, I guess?
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That would be my guess, yeah.
The Kraken
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Well that sucks.
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This is a real bummer, 2023 is killing off a lot of shows that I love. HBO alone has aired the last episodes of Perry Mason, Succession, and Barry. I don't know what HBO has in the pipeline but those are three monster shows to make up for.
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Later this year will likely see the final season of Curb Your Enthusiasm as well.

Granted, HBO still has...

- Euphoria S3 (2025)
- The Gilded Age S2 (2023)
- House of the Dragon S2 (2024)
- Industry S3 (2024)
- The Last of Us S2 (2025)
- The Righteous Gemstones S3 (2023)
- Somebody Somewhere S3 (2024)
- True Detective S4 (2023)
- The White Lotus S3 (2024)
- Winning Time S2 (2023)

... but yeah, overall, their lineup is certainly thinning out, as a number of the seasons above could be some of those shows' last as well.

Either way, they're definitely in need of some fresh, new hits.
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Definitely losing some elite shows. I'm never writing off another season of Curb though until Larry David is dead or incapacitated. The next season is only a few Larry David itches and ideas away. Maybe they never come, maybe they do. I just never say never with him
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The only reason I say that is because there was a cell phone clip from the set on the last day of filming a few months ago, where a producer or first assistant director or someone mentioned in a speech to the cast and crew that it was the end of the "final" season, and the clip was then quickly taken offline once it started making the rounds. So, I think the plan as of now is to consider this the last hurrah, but yeah, with Larry, who knows for sure…
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Damn, I really liked this show.
G.I.Bro
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I just now got around to watching this show, started this weekend and just finished. Bummed to learn it was canceled. Very enjoyable television.
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