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In reply to BigCityCold • 3:11p, 6/26/26
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I don't disagree.

I'm all for catastrophic disclosure at this point.

But if not done right, and with the proper discernment, it *could* lead to a leaking of important national security secrets as well, which might very well put lives at stake.

Coulthart isn't wrong about that, and it's perfectly fine for him to express as much.
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3:19p, 6/26/26
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Perhaps, for humans, no one is truly in charge, and for the meta-physical, or beyond, the physical - it is inherently subjective and shadowy.

Physical and also not.

Take early Christians in 33 to 70, years of violence as the Temple fell, and great miracles, and assume it's all true. St. Peter, Prince of all Apostles, saw stupendous and secret things, and then still denied it all multiple times. Judas too, with different paths.

That's how most of us are - deny …..until the catastrophic disclosure. Which will arrive one way or another, because we are mortal.
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3:24p, 6/26/26
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And how do we know the meta-physical exists here? Because even if it's our tech, sourced in whatever, SOMETHING breaks the current known laws of physics.

What else is there, then, if it's not alien or meta / spiritual? Because a physical explanation is a profound mystery that would demand detailed explanation, and no one's even attempting that.
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4:04p, 6/26/26
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After a pretty mind-blowing conversation I had last night, with someone very much in-the-know, I too am becoming more and more convinced Spielberg did, in fact, take the deal...


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In reply to TCTTS • 6:07p, 6/26/26
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Sorry I offended you by asking a question which was answered!
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In reply to watty • 6:19p, 6/26/26
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You didn't offend me. I just didn't understand why you couldn't watch a two-minute clip for the answer.
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:29p, 6/26/26
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Because I didn't want to.
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In reply to watty • 6:35p, 6/26/26
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Which plays directly into why I have issues with your posting style on this thread. Asking other people to answer for you what you could easily discover on your own, with one click, in a matter of two minutes, is simply disingenuous. Further, when people *do* answer your questions, you hardly ever actually listen to / consider their answers, choosing instead to ignore anything that disrupts your preconceived notions.
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7:09p, 6/26/26
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Lol I remain so apologetic for my continued engagement in this thread and the fact that I'm interested in this topic but don't seem to do it in exactly the way you demand me to. Please, please, please forgive me, mister lord president police boss man.

You know, you could have just moved on considering someone had answered my question. But you just can't, can you.
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In reply to watty • 7:35p, 6/26/26
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Your continued "engagement" here - if you can call it that - is nothing but a willful, bad faith lack of curiosity. You don't post here to learn or engage, you post here to espouse nothing but doubt, skepticism, mocking, and ignorance. As I've mentioned countless times, having doubt/skepticism is perfectly healthy and normal. But what you engage in is so much more than that. Rather, it's an active need to constantly let everyone know how dumb you think all of this is, and I'm going to continue calling you out every time you do it.
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8:06p, 6/26/26
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Lazar and one of the most credible and consistent experiencers, Travis Walton, who deserves a faithful movie treatment

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8:53p, 6/26/26
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:13p, 6/26/26
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TCTTS said:
Your continued "engagement" here - if you can call it that - is nothing but a willful, bad faith lack of curiosity. You don't post here to learn or engage, you post here to espouse nothing but doubt, skepticism, mocking, and ignorance. As I've mentioned countless times, having doubt/skepticism is perfectly healthy and normal. But what you engage in so much more than that. Rather, it's an active need to constantly let everyone know how dumb you think all of this is, and I'm going to continue calling you out every time you do it.


It's just genuinely strange that you think that because not a word of what you said is true. Literally none of it . But oh well. Your issues are your own.
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In reply to watty • 9:29p, 6/26/26
AG
No one except Staff can enforce anything, but this thread is an excellent resource for the biggest story of our time, and would be improved by:

- zero "gifs", which are just inane garbage
- zero block quoting, which is extremely cluttering and annoying, just use excellent reply feature

And our OP is correct to suggest there are some minor obligations with a high info, dynamic thread. In addition to the above, this should include minimal snark and good faith engagement … such as watching a 2 minute clip and then commenting about content, should one wish to comment, instead of an annoying derail.
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9:34p, 6/26/26
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On topic, why Travis Walton is one of the most important figures in all of ufology:

high moral character, very consistent and straight forwardly told story, reluctant to speak and no check chasing, minimal speculations and staying in his lane and unafraid to call out nonsense (such as the scriptwriters he endured)

Lazar has entered this realm also, after getting his personal life together
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9:48p, 6/26/26
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Respectfully could y'all take this to PMs? The mods already shut have already shut this thread down once and I would hate to lose it.
Thanks

I don't agree with some of his positions but TCTTS deserves respect for carrying this thread
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In reply to Redstone • 10:17p, 6/26/26
AG
You'll notice I'm not the one who derailed it ...

I asked a question. It was answered. I got attacked for ... something.

Anyway, moving on.

Edit to add:

This idea - "And our OP is correct to suggest there are some minor obligations with a high info, dynamic thread. In addition to the above, this should include minimal snark and good faith engagement … such as watching a 2 minute clip and then commenting about content, should one wish to comment, instead of an annoying derail." - is just ludicrous.

This is a free, public message board/forum. There are no obligations whatsoever for anyone to watch every video (or ANY video) posted here. Participate however you want.

This latest derail, brought to you by T:

T: here's a Twitter link with a long block of text and a video, saying something interesting

Me: I have a question about it

T: how dare you
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In reply to Redstone • 11:37p, 6/26/26
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Redstone said:
No one except Staff can enforce anything, but this thread is an excellent resource for the biggest story of our time, and would be improved by:

- zero "gifs", which are just inane garbage
- zero block quoting, which is extremely cluttering and annoying, just use excellent reply feature

And our OP is correct to suggest there are some minor obligations with a high info, dynamic thread. In addition to the above, this should include minimal snark and good faith engagement … such as watching a 2 minute clip and then commenting about content, should one wish to comment, instead of an annoying derail.


Biggest story of our time?
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8:40a, 6/27/26
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Sometimes reading this thread is a beating.
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3:40p, 6/28/26
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Coulthart and Gerb throwing down the gauntlet, re: Lue...


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Lue Elizondo had a role within the legacy UFO crash retrieval program and led James Clapper's effort to conceal it, control the UAP Disclosure narrative - Ross Coulthart

"Lue needs to be more forthcoming about his past roles… There are people that bitterly resent that Lue be appointed to a position of power in UAP transparency because they think that he was part of a previous agenda that was to try to control the narrative, to restrict what the public is entitled to know about UAP Disclosure.

I think a lot of this was an intention by James Clapper to try and impose a narrative on the public domain using Lue as a frontman, a highly urbane, articulate, and likable frontman to try to restrict what the public was told about crash retrievals."

Coulthart's message to Elizondo:

"I've spoken to people in the legacy program who knew Lue - Lue, I know a lot of people and they know you. I know you can't speak about the role that you've held within the legacy program, but you did.

I think we've got to stop this nonsense because it's becoming distractive. There are factions and bitternesses beginning to develop within the UAP world and I think it's in danger of blowing the whole thing apart."

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Similar to @rosscoulthart I have heard similar statements from individuals within or on the periphery of the Legacy Programs regarding Mr. Elizondo.

These allegations are two-fold:

1. From 2009-2017, Lue operated the AATIP, a cover program for several National Security Council-led activities at the behest of DNI James Clapper. This effort originated from within the Legacy Program onion (Clapper) and sought to push a partial disclosure/transparency initiative, culminating in attempts to establish Hillary Clinton as the "disclosure" president.

2. Separate from the AATIP, Elizondo has a very deep history within the Legacy architecture, specifically surrounding program protection.....

I believe both of these allegations are not only true, but must be carefully considered, evaluated, and understood by both the public and White House.

Lue said it best in a recent interview that history will remember him as a patriot or a villain. I do still think there is an opportunity for history to remember him as a patriot (I believe Lue believes he's operating as an American patriot), but time is running out, and there can only be so many lies, half-truths, and questionable actions before the house of cards crumbles...

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In reply to TCTTS • 3:53p, 6/28/26
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:59p, 6/28/26
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4:27p, 6/28/26
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I've stated on this thread for sometime now that Lou Elizondo and The other talking heads in the disclosure industry are not advancing this forward. Plasma weapons be damned, we need Catastrophic Disclosure to flush all of this out. These controlled drops of disclosure and grainy videos are not it.
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4:46p, 6/28/26
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Gerb names the names, and we have significant evidence about who exactly the main gatekeepers are / were.

Clapper / Elizando / Kirkpatrick / Gaffney / Cheney and several more obscure people he's detailed in his YouTube videos this past year.

Bobby Ray Inman, still eligible for interview at 95, is probably the most important interview right now anyone could capture on film.
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2:09p, 6/29/26
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Overlap with UAP, not in all cases but in many. Some of the cases are heavily documented and extremely chilling. And where documentation is lacking, it often is because Parks refuses to release information.

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In reply to Redstone • 4:31p, 6/29/26
Redstone said:
Gerb names the names, and we have significant evidence about who exactly the main gatekeepers are / were.

Clapper / Elizando / Kirkpatrick / Gaffney / Cheney and several more obscure people he's detailed in his YouTube videos this past year.

Bobby Ray Inman, still eligible for interview at 95, is probably the most important interview right now anyone could capture on film.

Greer has spoken of Bobby many times. Hearings, ala the Watergate hearings would be nice at some point. ALL needs to be disclosed.
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10:56p, 6/29/26
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I wouldn't call this a "BOMBSHELL," but it is at least a response. One where, notice, Elizondo doesn't explicitly deny Coulthart's claims…

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12:09a, 6/30/26
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Completely ignoring, with Cuomo's cooperation, the big 3 issues:

- work with Clapper / Hillary in a limited hangout?
- been dishonest about role in reverse engineering?
- been behind the scenes nasty, which plenty have detailed?
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:43a, 6/30/26
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Finished this tonight and it's pretty great. Some points are more convincing than others, but overall it's incredibly informative. Makes me want to watch Disclosure Day again, that's for sure.

Speaking of, I can't believe I missed this the first time around...

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5:09p
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Everybody watch The Why Files with Missing411 that I posted just above. He's a serious and skilled researcher, and it's very related to this thread.
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