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Mental exercise in "What if they lived?" thread…

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Pick one of the following and briefly give an opinion on how you think the rest of their life/career plays out?

Elvis
John Lennon
Kurt Cobain
Tupac
Hendrix
Hank Williams


Elvis
I think if he had lived past 77 he probably is eventually forced into rehab and experiences a future bankruptcy/tax evasion case due to financial mismanagement. From the early 80's to 90's I'd imagine some type of reclusive behavior, failed comebacks as the nostalgia just isn't there yet. Then at some point he finds himself with a stint again in Vegas as it went mainstream and experienced rapid growth in the late 90's and early 2000's. But he'd never have the true mystique he does now. Perhaps even some of his influence would have been lessened or viewed differently now. Ultimately I can see him passing away in the late 2000's or early 2010's from natural causes.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Selena
JLo would have no career.
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Jimi Hendrix

Jimi releases his 4th album in 70 or 71 and is another great album. The Experience officially breaks up and Jimi starts moving towards jazz rock fusion working with jazz greats like Miles Davis. Throughout the 70s, he does more experimental music while doing collaborations with Clapton, Bob Marley and funk stars like George Clinton. In the 80s, he does work for Michael Jackson on Thriller and does Beat It instead of Eddie Van Halen. The 70s and 80s aren't kind to Jimi commercially, but he has a resurgence in the 90s when music of the late 60s becomes cool again. He has massive hit album similar to what Santana had in 1999. He works with The Red Hot Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam, both of whom were heavily influenced by Hendrix. He tours every now and then in the 2000s, but for the most part, is done recording new music. In 2013, he jams with Prince on While My Guitar Gently Weeps at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He Jams with Prince again on at the Super Bowl, both playing Purple Rain and Purple Haze.
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Lennon would be like McCartney with his longevity, but more of a moral voice.
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No idea why but Jim Henson always came to mind when i thought about this question

edit to also add: Steve Jobs. that company hasn't really produced any unique products since he died…. just the same product with different colors
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Legit
Teslag
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Loved this one. I never really thought about the possible collaborations had some of these guys lived.
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Just imagine if Cobain lived, cleaned himself up, then got Layne to clean up too.

Two genre defining bands continue on with uninterrupted success. Foo Fighters could easily still exist, with Nirvana replacing him when he left.
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Nailed it
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62strat said:

Just imagine if Cobain lived, cleaned himself up, then got Layne to clean up too.

Two genre defining bands continue on with uninterrupted success. Foo Fighters could easily still exist, with Nirvana replacing him when he left.
I love watching AIC's Unplugged performance from time to time (it's the best imo), but damn it is depressing, knowing that he was a full blown barely-functioning heroin addict with little to no remaining teeth at the time of that performance in 1996...and that he would go on to live SIX more years as an addict. I can't imagine what a withered away person he must have been around 2000.

He freaking nailed it though, aside from a few slip ups, which Cantrell helped support him through.

Addiction is the worst
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Tupac isn't dead.
Leggo My Elko
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John Lennon

John would have continued to release solo stuff through the 80's. He's music would have continued to get a bit more experimental and out there, but once you gave it enough listens and really digested it. It would be undeniably genus. He would slow down around 90. In 92-93 there would be rumblings of Paul and John restoring their relationship. In 94, all four Beatles would sit down together for an interview on 60 minutes. They would be relaxed and have funny banter. When asked about a reunion, they would all say no, but you could tell they all still had love for one another. In 96, rumors would emerge of a NEW Beatles Album. Then in 1997, 28 years after the last time they were in studio together, the Beatle would record and release a new studio album. It would become the greatest selling album of all time. Half of the 14 song album would have George Harrison listed as co-writer. They would go on a world tour in 97/98, smashing all imaginable financial earning records for a tour. In 2001, John and Yoko Ono would divorce. In 2004 John would be diagnosed with lung cancer. In 2005, he would release an album where all the songs would be co-written and recorded with his son Sean Lennon. In 2007 he would lose his 3 year battle with cancer.
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That Unplugged concert was just something else. The story behind it elevates it, but even on its own it is a supreme exposition of sheer talent and emotion.
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TresPuertas said:

No idea why but Jim Henson always came to mind when i thought about this question

edit to also add: Steve Jobs. that company hasn't really produced any unique products since he died…. just the same product with different colors
If you'd like to hear some glowingly positive commentary on Steve Jobs, you should watch this interview Charlie Rose did (pre-cancelation) with Larry Ellison. I'm not a Steve Jobs guy but I thought Larry Ellison's insight was well worth watching.
https://charlierose.com/videos/17259

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Selena
JLo would have no career.
I was drilling with a 75%+ Mexican-American National Guard Unit and listening to lots of Tejano when Selena was murdered.

Selena was great no doubt but, there's just no way that she rivals JLo.

Here's JLo at the 1999 Women's World Cup (back when our women's Soccer team was still patriotic).

HollywoodBQ
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That was a really nice piece of creative writing and for that, Blue Parachute for you sir!

There's just no way that Jimi Hendrix lives to see the Bicentennial much less the fall of the Berlin Wall or Y2K.
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Carlo4 said:

Tupac isn't dead.
Agreed.

What is it that Tupac would be doing if he were alive that he isn't already doing?
Maybe a Super Bowl appearance?
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I feel like a bunch of these names were just destined to die one way or another. People like Cobain, Staley, Farley, Belushi, Hendrix. If you listen to their friends at the time talk about them all of them were prepared for those people to die at any time. If it wasn't one thing it would have been another.
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Bon Scott: ACDC makes great music, but is less commercially successful
John Bonham: Zeppelin falls victim to 70s band making crappy 80s music
Brian Earl Spilner
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JLo doesn't have 1/10 the vocal talent of Selena, and that is not an exaggeration. JLo's been been accused multiple times of having other singers' vocals louder than hers on her songs.

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River Phoenix: I've often heard people say that if he hadn't died he would have had Leonardo DiCaprio's career/success. I'm really not sure about that because based on his drug history he might not have been given some of those same opportunities.
HollywoodBQ
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Of course Selena can sing better than JLo.
You said JLo would have no career.
By the mid-1990s, JLo had already been a Fly Girl so she was at least established as a performer.

When you're a dancer, singer, actress, you're not going to be good at everything but Jenny from the Block has done OK.

The market is big enough, we could have had both Selena and JLo.
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This is more of a sliding doors situation.

JLo had acted before Selena, but let's be fair, she hadn't done much to impress anyone. Nobody really knew her name until she played Selena, which opened the door to her music career, which opened the door to a more legitimate acting career.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

This is more of a sliding doors situation.

JLo had acted before Selena, but let's be fair, she hadn't done much to impress anyone. Nobody really knew her name until she played Selena, which opened the door to her music career, which opened the door to a more legitimate acting career.
who is to say she didn't still play selena, even if selena didn't die?

Elton john is alive and had a biopic about him, and motley crue, weird al yankovic, dylan, etc.

Also, before selena, she co starred opposite robin williams, snipes/harrelson, and jack nicholson in 95/96.. anyone could easily point to those roles as opening a door for an acting career.. she was on the path already.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Like I said, she had acted before. But nothing very memorable. No reason to think she would have "made it" like she did.

And if Selena still had a biopic made about her (which is super weird logic btw), that just means Selena is way bigger than JLo. Nobody's ever doing a JLo biopic.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Like I said, she had acted before. But nothing very memorable. No reason to think she would have "made it" like she did.


I'd say it's super weird logic to think an actress that has 3 movies in 2 years with A+ stars doesn't make it (or at least become pretty well known). Every A+ actor/actress had early roles that weren't memorable.. but the roles were clearly coming to her, and she's the same person whether selena existed or not (as far as her talent and/or drive and foot in the door), so I'd say she gets pretty famous with or w/o selena.

Look at someone like cameron diaz; a first role with big star.. then 4-5 roles that very people know about.. then little by little over next 3-4 years, the rise to top paid actress.

But who cares.. it's hypothetical, and I certainly don't care about JLo.
Know Your Enemy
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AgPediRPh said:

John Bonham: Zeppelin falls victim to 70s band making crappy 80s music
Ban this heretic.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Man, I did not expect this much pushback from JLo stans on this board.

My point is she caught a lucky break with Selena dying. Chances are pretty good that she would not have had the career she's currently enjoying if not for that movie. I don't dislike her in any way, I just think there's far better singers out there. Plus I think Selena takes that spot as the big Latina pop star of the late 90's and early 00's.
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