sweet.
2 episodes into the Pacific which I have never gotten to finish.
2 episodes into the Pacific which I have never gotten to finish.
BOB and the Pacific now on Netflix
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Wonder how much Netflix paid for that.
I really like The Pacific. I know people try and compare it to BoB and say it's not as good, but it's a different animal. There's some outstanding acting in The Pacific.
If we reverse the order, The Pacific would have been raved about by everyone and then probably eclipsed by BoB. Both are really good but unfortunately, The Pacific is measured against BoB.IJones23 said:
I really like The Pacific. I know people try and compare it to BoB and say it's not as good, but it's a different animal. There's some outstanding acting in The Pacific.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
This is so much better than the thin red line…man that that movie stunk
Hot take, but I like the intro music in the Pacific more than BoB
Truly awful, especially because it was compared to Saving Private Ryan. I'm not sure it would even stand up to Stripes or 1941.GoAgs92 said:
This is so much better than the thin red line…man that that movie stunk
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
IJones23 said:
I really like The Pacific. I know people try and compare it to BoB and say it's not as good, but it's a different animal. There's some outstanding acting in The Pacific.
I think they're both excellent. I just prefer watching BoB over The Pacific. Just an easier watch for me personally.
GoAgs92 said:
This is so much better than the thin red line…man that that movie stunk
Agreed. Snooze fest.
GoAgs92 said:
This is so much better than the thin red line…man that that movie stunk
I get why people say this, but I never hated this movie like so many did. I usually fast forward through the soliloquies and internal monologues.
I enjoyed both, but BoB would be my favorite of the two.
I know they are both about life, death and war, but there is something about Pacific that is so much darker.
I hope to convince my wife to watch BoB someday on Netflix soon.
I don't know if I could get her to watch Pacific.
I know they are both about life, death and war, but there is something about Pacific that is so much darker.
I hope to convince my wife to watch BoB someday on Netflix soon.
I don't know if I could get her to watch Pacific.
There is a massive difference in both theaters of WW2.
The Pacific theater was just so much more visceral than the Western European theater, and by the time of the Normandy breakout and Operation Bagration the Wehrmacht was a shadow of its former self.
In the Pacific, the US was tasked with rooting out a fanatical enemy hellbent on turning every island into a meat grinder and refusing to surrender.
It's interesting how it plays out in both of these series.
The Pacific theater was just so much more visceral than the Western European theater, and by the time of the Normandy breakout and Operation Bagration the Wehrmacht was a shadow of its former self.
In the Pacific, the US was tasked with rooting out a fanatical enemy hellbent on turning every island into a meat grinder and refusing to surrender.
It's interesting how it plays out in both of these series.
The story is better in BoB because it's about camaraderie and friendship. The Pacific has great stories and bravery but their isn't as much of the connection between the characters.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
jeffk said:IJones23 said:
I really like The Pacific. I know people try and compare it to BoB and say it's not as good, but it's a different animal. There's some outstanding acting in The Pacific.
I think they're both excellent. I just prefer watching BoB over The Pacific. Just an easier watch for me personally.
Same here. And I'll second that the Pacific intro is better than BoB
Belton Ag said:
There is a massive difference in both theaters of WW2.
The Pacific theater was just so much more visceral than the Western European theater, and by the time of the Normandy breakout and Operation Bagration the Wehrmacht was a shadow of its former self.
In the Pacific, the US was tasked with rooting out a fanatical enemy hellbent on turning every island into a meat grinder and refusing to surrender.
It's interesting how it plays out in both of these series.
The Japanese were friggin psychopaths. That would have to mess you with in different ways if you survived.
I have posted my thoughts on both of these series on these boards several times, but I will boil it down to liking The Pacific more. The characters may have shared very little interaction but that did not lessen them in any way. They were so very well portrayed. I connected with each of their stories in a way that I did not with the characters of Easy Company. That is not to say that they were not portrayed well, but that they did not do as deep of a dive into who these men were simply because they had far more characters, and that would have exploded the show into several more episodes. I had more of a sense of the entirety of the lives of Sledge and Leckie than I did of any of the BoB characters. It was all on screen rather than interviews with the actual men.
I am an avid reader of WWII history for much of my life. I have always preferred reading more about the Pacific over Europe (although in recent years I have taken more of an interest in Europe). Both have their interesting points, but in comparing the 2, the Pacific is simply more visceral, more inhumane, darker. Yes, the Nazis were not misunderstood angels, but the Japs were on a far different level.
Compare what soldiers in Europe were collecting off dead Nazis - guns, knives, flags. In the Pacific, as depicted in the show, they were collecting teeth.
Regarding the Pacific intro, that music was by Hans Zimmer. I have this score in my regular rotation.
Love both these shows, just prefer The Pacific. And so looking forward to Masters of the Air.
I am an avid reader of WWII history for much of my life. I have always preferred reading more about the Pacific over Europe (although in recent years I have taken more of an interest in Europe). Both have their interesting points, but in comparing the 2, the Pacific is simply more visceral, more inhumane, darker. Yes, the Nazis were not misunderstood angels, but the Japs were on a far different level.
Compare what soldiers in Europe were collecting off dead Nazis - guns, knives, flags. In the Pacific, as depicted in the show, they were collecting teeth.
Regarding the Pacific intro, that music was by Hans Zimmer. I have this score in my regular rotation.
Love both these shows, just prefer The Pacific. And so looking forward to Masters of the Air.
I prefer The Pacific as well. I'm pretty sure I've posted this in response to you before or on a similar thread in regards to war trophies, but when I was little I remember my grandmother showing my brother and I our grandpas war stuff. My brother and I both remember her showing us a small envelope with teeth she said he got from dead Japanese. Back in 2017 I got all of his war stuff and looked through and fortunately no teeth, just letters, magazines, medals, and other paperwork. Like I said, I began to wonder if I was crazy but my brother confirmed he remembers the same thing. But yeah, totally different war than Europe
IJones23 said:
I really like The Pacific. I know people try and compare it to BoB and say it's not as good, but it's a different animal. There's some outstanding acting in The Pacific.
I personally liked The Pacific more than BoB.
I read the book a while back. Excellent read and I'm very much looking forward to the show, but it's going to be heartbreaking. If you've read anything at all about the 8th Air Force, that's not a spoiler.
Yeah, if it is anything like the book or even remotely close to the actual history, it will be brutal.jbanda said:
I read the book a while back. Excellent read and I'm very much looking forward to the show, but it's going to be heartbreaking. If you've read anything at all about the 8th Air Force, that's not a spoiler.
After that Australia episode I looked up how many American kids were born to Aussie women…wow….and those numbers are probably low.
My wife's grandfather was something in the Army Air Corps and flew in the Pacific Theatre, I think he was a bombardier or navigator. Anyways, he apparently had a good enough time in Australia at one point because he brought home a wife from there.
Never seen either show but glad it's available on Netflix. Question... does it matter which series I watch first? I'm more interested in the Pacific theater so would like to start there.
Pahdz said:
Never seen either show but glad it's available on Netflix. Question... does it matter which series I watch first? I'm more interested in the Pacific theater so would like to start there.
They aren't connected so it doesn't matter. Both are great but very different and very reflective of their respective theater.
Based on your interest, 100% start with the pacific.
My grandfather was on Bataan for a bit with the Air Corps- before he went to got pulled to Correigor w/ MacArthur -
I have his diary and there are some interesting stories in it -and the conditions and food supplies were brutal
I have his diary and there are some interesting stories in it -and the conditions and food supplies were brutal
Other than WWII, the series share no links. Start with The Pacific since that's where your interest lies.Pahdz said:
Never seen either show but glad it's available on Netflix. Question... does it matter which series I watch first? I'm more interested in the Pacific theater so would like to start there.
Edit - what JDUB said.
Both are a couple of my favorite pieces of WWII entertainment. BoB is still my favorite but The Pacific is also great, I didn't really appreciate it until I read the two books The Pacific is based on: With the Old Breed and Helmet for My Pillow. They both really illustrate how much different and grueling the Pacific theater was compared to the European theater. I can still remember reading With the Old Breed where Sledge talks about how he can't smell coconut without basically getting sick to his stomach because the smell of rotting coconuts and bodies was so pervasive on the islands it's burned into his brain. Scary enough during the day but scarier at night because the Japanese soldiers would go in at night and jump into fox holes to kill guys. The constant fear led to a lot of friendly fire accidents because guys were so on edge they might just fire at any movement they saw. Having clean drinking water was close to nil out there. Guys would be relieved and just get to go back to the ship and hear what was still going on, they couldn't take a trip to Paris or another European town for some rest. After reading those books The Pacific was a better experience because I was able to appreciate it more with the additional background information.
What happened to your grandfather?
My uncle (A&M '28) was a Marine captain on Corregidor. He wound up dying in a POW camp in Japan.
My uncle (A&M '28) was a Marine captain on Corregidor. He wound up dying in a POW camp in Japan.
There's also a companion book by Hugh Ambrose also
Called The Pacific. Covers the stuff from series plus a few more guys stories. The most interesting I thought was Austin Schofner who was captured in Bataan, escaped, lived and fought with Filipino guerrillas until rescued by a US Sub. Came back as Sledges battalion commander on Pelelieu u tik he was wounded there.
Called The Pacific. Covers the stuff from series plus a few more guys stories. The most interesting I thought was Austin Schofner who was captured in Bataan, escaped, lived and fought with Filipino guerrillas until rescued by a US Sub. Came back as Sledges battalion commander on Pelelieu u tik he was wounded there.
I've only watched The Pacific once when it came out. I've had no interest watching it again. Unlike BoB which I've seen a bunch of times. The most recent about a month ago.
One thing that pissed me off was that they defamed real life dudes. I know, that there were cases of people digging teeth out of dead Japanese soldiers, but don't portray real life soldiers as doing that if they didn't actually do it. Either portray the correct people doing that stuff or make up an fictional character for that purpose.
One thing that pissed me off was that they defamed real life dudes. I know, that there were cases of people digging teeth out of dead Japanese soldiers, but don't portray real life soldiers as doing that if they didn't actually do it. Either portray the correct people doing that stuff or make up an fictional character for that purpose.
I also read With the Old Breed, but I read it several years before the Pacific came out.
Two things that really stood out to me from the book were depicted in the series: the incident where the GI pulls the teeth out of the Japanese soldier while he was still alive, and the sound of the pebbles being dropped into the soldier's open skull.
Putting those scenes onto film couldn't even capture what I felt after reading the book. Just horrifying.
Of all the reading and studying I've done of WW2, I've concluded the two worst places to be would have been along the Eastern Front/Stalingrad and Peleliu/Okinawa. For both sides and civilians. I don't know if there were two worst places to be in all of military history.
Two things that really stood out to me from the book were depicted in the series: the incident where the GI pulls the teeth out of the Japanese soldier while he was still alive, and the sound of the pebbles being dropped into the soldier's open skull.
Putting those scenes onto film couldn't even capture what I felt after reading the book. Just horrifying.
Of all the reading and studying I've done of WW2, I've concluded the two worst places to be would have been along the Eastern Front/Stalingrad and Peleliu/Okinawa. For both sides and civilians. I don't know if there were two worst places to be in all of military history.
It's been a while since I've watched The Pacific but I remembering it being brutal at points. The Pacific theater was a battleground with no quarters. Can't imagine going through anything like that.
Short story about the series though: I was at one of the Air & Space museums near DC years ago before the series dropped and I believe Sidney Phillips was there talking about his experience in The Pacific. I think it may have been a way to publicize the series before it dropped but it was still amazing to listen to first hand accounts. He did say that most of the romance in the series was fiction but that is too be expected from HBO.
Short story about the series though: I was at one of the Air & Space museums near DC years ago before the series dropped and I believe Sidney Phillips was there talking about his experience in The Pacific. I think it may have been a way to publicize the series before it dropped but it was still amazing to listen to first hand accounts. He did say that most of the romance in the series was fiction but that is too be expected from HBO.
One of the things that I never considered until after I read With the Old Breed was how white-washed Band of Brothers might be. Band of Brothers paints everything with very broad strokes in terms of how great everyone in the company was. I don't recall any mentioning of specific guys basically losing their minds and doing horrific things. I remember the discussion about their Lt from Yale that couldn't make a decision about anything and would leave the front and go back to talk it over with other officers. With the Old Breed said everything good and bad about the soldiers out there, it didn't hold back. In retrospect it made me wonder what was left out of Band of Brothers because I thought The Pacific did a much better job of illustrating the hell of war and the toll it took on the soldiers.Belton Ag said:
I also read With the Old Breed, but I read it several years before the Pacific came out.
Two things that really stood out to me from the book were depicted in the series: the incident where the GI pulls the teeth out of the Japanese soldier while he was still alive, and the sound of the pebbles being dropped into the soldier's open skull.
Putting those scenes onto film couldn't even capture what I felt after reading the book. Just horrifying.
Of all the reading and studying I've done of WW2, I've concluded the two worst places to be would have been along the Eastern Front/Stalingrad and Peleliu/Okinawa. For both sides and civilians. I don't know if there were two worst places to be in all of military history.
Regarding your last point it's a good question regarding the worst battles to be a part of in military history. Peleliu would certainly be in the conversation. Bastogne was probably pretty rough thanks to the cold. I'd imagine a lot of Vietnam would have been incredibly awful to be involved in.
Lots have heard about all the sailors that were eaten by sharks after the USS Indianapolis was sunk, that would have been bad but I heard about something recently that might have been worse. I saw or read something recently about Ramree Island in Burma during WWII. There was a battalion of Japanese soldiers that were pushed back into some mangroves and they started marching as there was no other way out and evidently a large number of them were eaten by crocodiles.
Are you talking about Lt Norman Dike? If so, then that was in the show. BTW, I saw a youtube channel dedicated to the real history and it claimed that BoB did Norman Dike wrong. That he was actually a lot better than the show portrayed.
Regarding most traumatic battles of history, the ancient battle of Cannae has to be up there. Soldiers committed suicide by burying their heads the ground to avoid misery.
Regarding most traumatic battles of history, the ancient battle of Cannae has to be up there. Soldiers committed suicide by burying their heads the ground to avoid misery.
OldArmy71 said:
What happened to your grandfather?
My uncle (A&M '28) was a Marine captain on Corregidor. He wound up dying in a POW camp in Japan.
He got pulled to be MacArthurs staff doctor- escaped from Correigor on his PT boat-
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/from-the-jaws-of-death-macarthurs-escape-from-the-philippines/#:~:text=In%20March%201942%2C%20General%20Douglas,a%20daring%20PT%2DBoat%20operation.
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