Urban Ag said:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Leia sacrificing herself with the lightspeed torpedo at the end of TLJ.

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Great Scott!

Never thought of it that way.

Imagine that instead of the dumbass Mary Poppins scene, Leia is just mortally wounded. Instead of pink hair, incredibly unlikeable, Laura Dern character (not even needed), it's just mortally wounded Leia who busts Poe's balls because she knows she is gonna die anyway and doesn't want him to try and white knight her.

Then imagine that when Leia does die, it's felt through the Force to Luke, Rey, Poe, Chewie, and best of all, Kylo. Move through each character. It hits. The blank face recognition that they know she is gone.

Yeah that could have been epic. May have even saved the film too.

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Damn... this is pretty good.

They would have need to make up a way that a lighspeed torpedo would work in that situation and not in every other battle in SW history. Like have their shields go down or something. Otherwise that is a huge loophole in all of SW.

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The Porkchop Express said:

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At the end of ROTK when Frodo is lying in bed recovering from his injuries, the door just keeps opening and opening and every single character from the entire trilogy comes in to hug him and jump on the bed - Smeagol, Saruman, Grima Wormtongue, Farmer Maggot, the Sackville-Baggins, Shelob, the Lord of the Nagzul, each gets their own happy moment with Fodo.

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Then they all break into song, specifically Age of Aquarius

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Or my favorite early YouTube video, "they're taking the hobbits to isengard"

In most other scenarios you're not sacrificing your capital flag ship to win the battle. How many other times is it completely empty except for Ellie Sattler?

i love the character, but Star Lord taunting and punching Thanos in anger over Gamorah's death instead of letting them get the glove off killed a ton more people than what could have been even with the snap reversal.

you trade gamorah's life for vision, black widow, and iron man and anybody other life that died in End Game.

Tv. Not movie.

Seinfeld. George had the jumper at the hospital (Kramer looking for pigman). The hospital didn't want to pay for his car. Wtf?

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny...leave Indy to die in the past. It would be a call back to the quote from Last Crusade when Indy says "that belongs in a museum" and the panama hat guy says "so do you" it would be fitting for him to be a part of history.

Swordfish 2

And then Swordfish 3 to create the greatest trilogy of all time.

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

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Coward?

I think you and I saw that ending differently.

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Agreed. Norman was a fresh recruit that was doing data typing, never fired a gun in training, and then was sent in to be the assistant driver in a tank.

Dude was raw and had to grow up fast.

When he was under the tank, the kid looking back at him was that first day version of him. Some kid grabbed by horrible Nazis to fight to the end. He didn't want to kill either.

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Side note: Seen this movie several times. On my last watch over Christmas, I never noticed how Brad Pitt killed the German commander on the horse but then let the horse go after a quick scene in the beginning of the movie... and then you realize what he did to horses for 3 weeks straight. That part of the movie slipped my brain.

Such a great film.

Most Terminator, Alien, and Predator sequels were huge missed opportunities. Recent Star Wars sequels are crossing that line into the same territory.

Finn and Rose both should have driven into the blockade together.

I believe they had to retconn a reason it isn't done frequently.

100% this. 1945 SS were not quite the fanatics from 1940-1941. Lots of draftees and other less than motivated individuals.

Also no way an SS battalion can not take out a single disabled tank when just an hour or so prior HitlerJugend knock out one with a panzer Faust.

Sapper Redux said:

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I believe they had to retconn a reason it isn't done frequently.

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I had to look up "retconn".

What is the reason? I don't remember it from the movie (though I only saw it once).

I'm not interested enough in Star Wars to say. I just came across a discussion where novelists or comics writers had to come up with reasons why faster than light weapons and kamikaze ships weren't a frequent occurrence.

aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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I believe they had to retconn a reason it isn't done frequently.

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I had to look up "retconn".

What is the reason? I don't remember it from the movie (though I only saw it once).

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ah it was explicitly and thoroughly explained by the Rise of Skywalker writers

hobbit: why don't we use the Holdo maneuver
Fin or someone: come on now, that was one in a million.

welp can't argue with that. I guess we'll never explore that highly effective tactic again.

Do shows count? I have a couple that I honestly don't remember how they actually end because my head-canon made waaaay more sense. Supernatural being the most recent.

The Porkchop Express said:

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In most other scenarios you're not sacrificing your capital flag ship to win the battle. How many other times is it completely empty except for Ellie Sattler?

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Why do you need a flagship? Anything with a hyperdrive will work. Instead of shooting at star destroyers with x-wings, kamikaze them at light speed. Seems like a damn good tradeoff to me.

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The Porkchop Express said:

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In most other scenarios you're not sacrificing your capital flag ship to win the battle. How many other times is it completely empty except for Ellie Sattler?

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Why do you need a flagship? Anything with a hyperdrive will work. Instead of shooting at star destroyers with x-wings, kamikaze them at light speed. Seems like a damn good tradeoff to me.

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Well the big ship also survived the collision with the biggest ship the Resistance had, so there's that. And the Resistance/Rebellion doesn't seem the type for suicide runs. Although there is the A-Wing in ROTJ that takes out the bridge of the Executor.

Did they pull it out of their ass? Because it's staring at you from movie 1 if you pay attention. Han says they have to program the route or they'll pass too close to a star or supernova. Meaning the same thing would happen if they run into another ship.

aTmAg said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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In most other scenarios you're not sacrificing your capital flag ship to win the battle. How many other times is it completely empty except for Ellie Sattler?

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Why do you need a flagship? Anything with a hyperdrive will work. Instead of shooting at star destroyers with x-wings, kamikaze them at light speed. Seems like a damn good tradeoff to me.

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Well the big ship also survived the collision with the biggest ship the Resistance had, so there's that. And the Resistance/Rebellion doesn't seem the type for suicide runs. Although there is the A-Wing in ROTJ that takes out the bridge of the Executor.

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It's not that they "don't seem the type", it's that the writers pulled that tactic out of their ass in movie #8. Sorta like how R2 had VTOL jets for one movie only. Where the hell was that at any other time?

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The tactic was also used in an episode of "The Clone Wars, Season 1". So if by "pulled that tactic out of their ass" you meant "used a tactic from a cartoon that came out 9 years before the movie", then you are correct.

R2 had his jets in Episodes 2 and 3.


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The Porkchop Express said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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In most other scenarios you're not sacrificing your capital flag ship to win the battle. How many other times is it completely empty except for Ellie Sattler?

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Why do you need a flagship? Anything with a hyperdrive will work. Instead of shooting at star destroyers with x-wings, kamikaze them at light speed. Seems like a damn good tradeoff to me.

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Well the big ship also survived the collision with the biggest ship the Resistance had, so there's that. And the Resistance/Rebellion doesn't seem the type for suicide runs. Although there is the A-Wing in ROTJ that takes out the bridge of the Executor.

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The big ship was also cut in half and basically the size of another death star. Plus, you could use whatever cheap freighters you could find to do the job. A kinetic weapon at light speed doesn't care that it's a POS no one wants.

Hell, even talking the big ship, how many other capital ships did they have that they abandoned and let the imperials use for target practice? You're telling me they couldn't have turned one of those around and set the auto pilot to light speed into them? "Well, we're almost out of fuel and can't possibly get away, but this ship is still too valuable to suicide into that fleet. Only choice is to let them blow it up." Really?

aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Did they pull it out of their ass? Because it's staring at you from movie 1 if you pay attention. Han says they have to program the route or they'll pass too close to a star or supernova. Meaning the same thing would happen if they run into another ship.

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The thing they pulled out of their ass is not the notion that they can go light speed or that they would have to avoid stars, but that it is a viable tactic to destroy huge ships by going lightspeed into them. That would change EVERYTHING. Hell, both sides would make light speed missiles that destroy each others big ships. There would never be a pew-pew battle ever.

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Yeah… there wouldn't. Kind of a logical consequence of a galaxy with that kind of faster than light technology.

Sapper Redux said:

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aTmAg said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Did they pull it out of their ass? Because it's staring at you from movie 1 if you pay attention. Han says they have to program the route or they'll pass too close to a star or supernova. Meaning the same thing would happen if they run into another ship.

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The thing they pulled out of their ass is not the notion that they can go light speed or that they would have to avoid stars, but that it is a viable tactic to destroy huge ships by going lightspeed into them. That would change EVERYTHING. Hell, both sides would make light speed missiles that destroy each others big ships. There would never be a pew-pew battle ever.

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Yeah… there wouldn't. Kind of a logical consequence of a galaxy with that kind of faster than light technology.

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Well, if they had some sort of rule like shields keep you immune from light speed attacks, but kill the F out of the light speed attacker, then I think everything would be good. That is the rule I assumed the first 90% of my life. But, they sorta blew that out of the way when big ass B-2 looking ship got taken out by a tiny light speed ship. One would assume they had shields on, or could have quickly turned them on.

The Porkchop Express said:

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aTmAg said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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aTmAg said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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In most other scenarios you're not sacrificing your capital flag ship to win the battle. How many other times is it completely empty except for Ellie Sattler?

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Why do you need a flagship? Anything with a hyperdrive will work. Instead of shooting at star destroyers with x-wings, kamikaze them at light speed. Seems like a damn good tradeoff to me.

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Well the big ship also survived the collision with the biggest ship the Resistance had, so there's that. And the Resistance/Rebellion doesn't seem the type for suicide runs. Although there is the A-Wing in ROTJ that takes out the bridge of the Executor.

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It's not that they "don't seem the type", it's that the writers pulled that tactic out of their ass in movie #8. Sorta like how R2 had VTOL jets for one movie only. Where the hell was that at any other time?

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The tactic was also used in an episode of "The Clone Wars, Season 1". So if by "pulled that tactic out of their ass" you meant "used a tactic from a cartoon that came out 9 years before the movie", then you are correct.

R2 had his jets in Episodes 2 and 3..

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I moved out of my parents house over 25 years ago. I don't watch SW cartoons.

And it's stupid that any SW movie, show, cartoon, children's book, etc. to pull this out of their ass. It would be like watching William Wallace pull out a mini-gun in the last scene of Braveheart. Why the hell would he not be using that the whole time?

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So you're arguing about the decision-making of a fictional movie series targeted towards children, but when you get told something you don't like, you go with the flex of moving out of your parents house more than 25 years ago and not watching cartoons. Are you going to follow that up by bragging about your bank account and the # of women you've slept with?

Thanks for the laugh, what a blow hard.

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So you are going with "well it's okay because it's fictional"? I guess then nothing to see here then. On any movie.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying there was a precedent set in another Star Wars property.