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Sethtevious
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Just watched this on Netflix, it's another take on GME and Wall Street Bets.

Paul Dano as Keith Gill is pretty much perfect casting, and Seth Rogen as Gabe Plotkin definitely works. Pete Davidson is terrific as his brother.

Overall, it's a good dramatization of events, although this is the second movie that glosses over (or completely misses) the whole point of Gill's move. He wasn't trying to start a financial revolution or take down a hedge fund, he just saw an undervalued stock and made a significant bet on the market correcting itself and realizing its true value.

Gamestop had a ton of cash on its books, and he knew a stock buyback would push the value of the stock up; that was his value play. Michael Burry (The Big Short) also saw the same value and bought GME for the same reason.

One key element they ignored is he didn't buy $53k of GME stock, he spent $53k buying call options on GME. When he started buying options, GME was trading at $3.25 a share, he bought options for $5, $8, $10, and $15. The $15 options were LEAPs over a year out. When they had the infamous scene with him drinking champagne on YouTube, it was because GME was up to $12 a share and put his $8 calls comfortably in the money.

Another gripe: The scene with Jennifer at the gas station was completely unrealistic. Someone with $5k in stock isn't going to be able to obtain $91k in margin to buy call options.

One of the best lines in the movie comes from Marcos, when he asks "Yeah, but do any of them play video games?" about GME's corporate leadership. He highlights one of the biggest issues with the company right there.

You can see the liberal media bias in how they portrayed the Congressional hearing. I watched part of it, and the members of Congress asking questions were ****ing idiots. They completely glossed over their financial ignorance because they can't let Waters or AOC look bad.

Other than those issues, it is a pretty solid watch. The soundtrack is also pretty solid.
Definitely Not A Cop
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I liked it a lot. Not as good as The Big Short, but as someone who saw a lot of the same memes over on the B&I board, it was cool to relive the craziness of that time period.


They really nailed the elitism aspect I felt in that time period between the servant class of people forced to wear masks to maintain their livelihood and the people who were above such petty things.
AustinAg2K
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I started watching last night, and I'm not really loving it. I feel like it requires you come in with a lot of knowledge of the story already. I remember when GME went crazy, but I don't remember many details and the movie isn't supplying them.
Sethtevious
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

They really nailed the elitism aspect I felt in that time period between the servant class of people forced to wear masks to maintain their livelihood and the people who were above such petty things.


Threatening peoples' livelihood over whether or not they wore a mask is something I'll never forgive them for.
Sethtevious
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AustinAg2K said:

I started watching last night, and I'm not really loving it. I feel like it requires you come in with a lot of knowledge of the story already. I remember when GME went crazy, but I don't remember many details and the movie isn't supplying them.
What parts are you missing? I'll see if I can connect the dots for you.

They don't explain a lot of concepts, like what a short squeeze is, like they did in The Big Short. So they don't really explain why it was significant that so many people bought and refused to sell their stock, and why eliminating the 'buy' button on Robinhood was such a big deal.
DG-Ag
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Just watched it. Enjoyed it.
You're from down South,
And when you open your mouth,
You always seem to put your foot there.
Sethtevious
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Found some screenshots I saved from when this was happening:

Gill's option position:



WSB reaction:



ETA: Looking at this, I can see part of my original post is incorrect, he did not buy $15 calls, he topped out at $12 calls.
BadMoonRisin
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i liked the Marc Rebillet shout-out.
DG-Ag
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One thing I'm confused about though is at the end when they were doing kind of an epilogue - showing clips of the real people giving their depositions - they said something like Gill's final online post was in 2016. But I thought this whole thing was going on during 2019-2021 when he was posting on Reddit. Did I miss something or misunderstand what they said at the end?
You're from down South,
And when you open your mouth,
You always seem to put your foot there.
BadMoonRisin
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I think the date was April 16, 2021 -- the date of Roaring Kitty/DFV's last stream.
DG-Ag
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BadMoonRisin said:

I think the date was April 16, 2021 -- the date of Roaring Kitty/DFV's last stream.
Thanks! I guess I couldn't read it that fast. Saw the "16" and thought it was 2016.
You're from down South,
And when you open your mouth,
You always seem to put your foot there.
LMCane
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there is a documentary now on Netflix about "Gamers" in the USA but its really about crypto and Gamestop and Wall Street Bets

it's hard to follow where the directors were going ideologically but it's a pretty good documentary and good thing I know all the hip lingo from the millenials.

diamond hands!!
LMCane
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AustinAg2K said:

I started watching last night, and I'm not really loving it. I feel like it requires you come in with a lot of knowledge of the story already. I remember when GME went crazy, but I don't remember many details and the movie isn't supplying them.
this real documentary that just dropped on Netflix (I find the timing to have to be purposeful) does discuss the intricacies of the Wall Street Bets Gamestop scenario.

tying it in with COVID money, and RobinHood gaining popularity

and actually being fair and claiming the people that thought this was about "screwing the rich guys" were actually screwing the poor guys and the rich guys already made bank on it.

robin hood was sending their data of price pumping to the hedge funds who were front running the bets.
Sethtevious
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LMCane said:

there is a documentary now on Netflix about "Gamers" in the USA but its really about crypto and Gamestop and Wall Street Bets

it's hard to follow where the directors were going ideologically but it's a pretty good documentary and good thing I know all the hip lingo from the millenials.

diamond hands!!
The New American: Gaming A Revolution, I watched that a few weeks ago

The director fell in love with visual effects and kind of forgot where she was going

It was sad seeing the Doge crypto bro still believes his own delusion and refuses to sell, convinced it will turn around any minute now.

They did an absolute **** job of research, though. The guy they interviewed who started Wall Street Bets is a lying piece of ***** He wasn't trying to democratize investing or teach people finance, he was trying to make some money. He is the son of a Mexican government official who had a cushy job handling governmental transportation, i.e. car rentals. When the old regime was voted out, he lost his job and his cushy lifestyle, and needed a new career. He started Wall Street Bets, and tried to run an investing contest with entry fees and a cash prize, i.e. he tried to monetize the sub. A lot of the moderators were pissed because it was the one agreement they had, that they would never try to make money off the sub. They go to Reddit admins and have him removed as owner/moderator. He wasn't even on WSB when Gamestop happened.He just tried to gravy-train off its popularity and told anyone who would listen that WSB was his place.

The whole thing about white supremacy/racists on the sub was just misdirection by that *******. While I knew he was likely Mexican (prior government job), I didn't know his religious status, and I don't think anyone else did, either. He's just lying because it's more convenient than the truth. If you freeze the frame on the 'white supremacy' section, you'll see the user was actually belittling another user for his racism, not spouting their beliefs. Reddit is a notoriously woke/liberal echo chamber, and even in a bastion of capitalism like WSB isn't going to tolerate racism. It allowed the doc to shoehorn in the white supremacy bogeyman, though, so it was included.

I did like the fact that all of the 'influencers' had to get 'real' jobs in the end.


Sethtevious
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LMCane said:

AustinAg2K said:

I started watching last night, and I'm not really loving it. I feel like it requires you come in with a lot of knowledge of the story already. I remember when GME went crazy, but I don't remember many details and the movie isn't supplying them.
this real documentary that just dropped on Netflix (I find the timing to have to be purposeful) does discuss the intricacies of the Wall Street Bets Gamestop scenario.

tying it in with COVID money, and RobinHood gaining popularity

and actually being fair and claiming the people that thought this was about "screwing the rich guys" were actually screwing the poor guys and the rich guys already made bank on it.

robin hood was sending their data of price pumping to the hedge funds who were front running the bets.
People knew about apps selling order flow to the hedge funds, it was how all of these 'free' trading apps were able to remain free. The idiots in Congress tried to tie selling order flow to Gamestop, and it was hilarious.
BadMoonRisin
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For anyone looking for a real life docu-series on the events, Netflix has had Eat The Rich: The GameStop Saga available to stream.
LMCane
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did you watch it past the credits?

they showed what happened to the people interviewed and pretty sure some of them were arrested for fraud

I was honestly surprised that they weren't 100% behind the "kill the rich" but if you follow it closely they were pointing out that Wall Street Bets and Robin Hood were actually helping the Hedge Funds and not the "common man"
FtWorthHorn
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Have people followed the story since 2021? It's absolutely bonkers. It has become, for all intents and purposes, a cult. Great video about it:



Anyone on this board still waiting for MOASS?
Sethtevious
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LMCane said:

did you watch it past the credits?

they showed what happened to the people interviewed and pretty sure some of them were arrested for fraud

I was honestly surprised that they weren't 100% behind the "kill the rich" but if you follow it closely they were pointing out that Wall Street Bets and Robin Hood were actually helping the Hedge Funds and not the "common man"
I know one of the people profiled was charged in a $140 million fraud case.

Not sure how WSB is helping the hedge funds, unless you're arguing their notoriety caused more money to flow into the market, causing the market as a whole to rise. In that case, all media who publicized the GME saga 'helped the hedge funds'.

Reality is there were people on Wall Street tracking WSB to monitor retail investor sentiment long before 2021 happened.
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