The Porkchop Express said:

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chico said:

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Sea Speed said:

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Are there any well adjusted child stars?

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Ron Howard has done exceedingly well

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Jason Bateman.

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He was an alcoholic and nearly out of hollywood prior to arrested development. Thank God - love him.

I was surprised by the doc. I had heard of the feet thing and then some scandalous documentary about it. Turns out they described how you had to make him happy in order to move your career forward. I mean - I have to make my boss happy in order to advance my career. Never had a request for a massage though.

The Ariana Grande footage was actually cringe - I didn't see anything that was so bad for the rest. Don't give me a shot of shooting a gross liquid on a girls face as an indication of his shenanigans'. I've watched nick since 'You Can't Do that on Television' and it's like all of those shows dumped something gross on people every other episode.

My boss yelled at me the other day - does that mean he should be blackballed?

That documentary didn't really explain to me why Dan S should have even been fired - no doubt there were reasons he should. But if I just watched the doc he didn't come off as bad as they wanted him to be.

Charlie Conway said:

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Wow after watching the episode I was certainly not expecting this thread to turn into a Dan Schneider defense thread

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There's been a pretty serious internet rumor campaign for years, accusing or implying that he had inappropriate relationships with female stars. Some of the rumors/insinuations were probably more harmful to the reputations of the girls, suggesting they went along with it to help their careers. I've seen anonymous posters on other sites claiming they "knew" all these awful things about him.

So if it comes out that he was rude sometimes, but did nothing sexual, and was in fact one of the few people in power there to side with the one known actual sexual assault victim.....then yeah, the e-lynching of him the last few years is pretty wild.

These documentary makers put years into this and apparently didn't come up with anything really damning, but their investigation is probably what was fueling the rumors the last couple years with the promise of bombshells that they never delivered.

As someone else said, the gags of people getting stuff thrown on them just seemed like a Nick thing. Double Dare was the only Nick show I watched as a kid, but the highlight was people getting ooze dumped on them or using the giant snot machine. I never looked at any of that - even the clips I've seen referenced here - and thought, "OMG THAT'S TOTALLY JIZZ!!!!!" People who see that just may be looking for it.

DustysLineup said:

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Sea Speed said:

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Are there any well adjusted child stars?

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Kurt Russell seemed to have a pretty great life and career. Up until Deathproof, anyway.

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Death Proof is awesome.

DustysLineup said:

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Sea Speed said:

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Are there any well adjusted child stars?

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Kurt Russell seemed to have a pretty great life and career. Up until Deathproof, anyway.

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He's had a pretty good career post Death Proof. Fast and Furious movies, Deepwater Horizon, GotG2, multiple Tarantino movies, Christmas Chronicles, Bone Tomahawk, etc.

EclipseAg said:

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From what I understand, Schneider thought it was funny or rebellious to insert sexualized words and scenes into his Nickelodeon shows. He loved getting stuff past the network's standards people.

And, some insiders say he was a little too close to some of his female stars, especially Amanda Bynes, considering their age at the time.

But I don't think anyone has ever accused him of sexual assault.

The main issue seems to be that he was known for making or breaking young actors and he was verbally abusive rather than protective of his stars. They were afraid to stand up for themselves the way an older actor might.

What happened to Drake Bell, however, was tragic. Brian Peck went to jail for that, and many in Hollywood wrote letters on Peck's behalf asking for leniency.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2022-08-31/dan-schneider-nickelodeon-allegations-jennette-mccurdy

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18 months for sexually assaulting a minor multiple times and was still allowed to work on kids shows after his release. Really surprised Drakes dad didn't kill him after we watched the series.

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EclipseAg said:

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From what I understand, Schneider thought it was funny or rebellious to insert sexualized words and scenes into his Nickelodeon shows. He loved getting stuff past the network's standards people.

And, some insiders say he was a little too close to some of his female stars, especially Amanda Bynes, considering their age at the time.

But I don't think anyone has ever accused him of sexual assault.

The main issue seems to be that he was known for making or breaking young actors and he was verbally abusive rather than protective of his stars. They were afraid to stand up for themselves the way an older actor might.

What happened to Drake Bell, however, was tragic. Brian Peck went to jail for that, and many in Hollywood wrote letters on Peck's behalf asking for leniency.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2022-08-31/dan-schneider-nickelodeon-allegations-jennette-mccurdy

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18 months for sexually assaulting a minor multiple times and was still allowed to work on kids shows after his release. Really surprised Drakes dad didn't kill him after we watched the series.

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Yes ... hired by The Disney Channel, and then fired. Somehow they "didn't know" about his sentencing and jail time.

I thought it was odd that short little video of Leo DiCaprio with Peck was glossed over and never mentioned again. (Though it makes sense I suppose, as the doc was specifically about Nickelodeon.)

But, I remember seeing that exact clip in a video I saw once about the story of DiCaprio's rise in Hollywood, and thought it was incredibly weird.

I love Leo, I've mentioned many times he's probably my favorite actor, but a part of me does wonder if his obsession with younger women isn't a sign of a more sinister issue within his psyche due to possible abuse by someone like Brian Peck.

Might be a topic for another thread, just a weird thought I had.

TresPuertas said:

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And the third thing which was just completely cringe-worthy was the "racism" claims by the black cast members. They didn't describe a single racist incident and predictably leaned on racism to explain the normal happenings of the child actor life. This bothered me the most actually. You've got to take responsibility for your decisions.

Yeah, it sucks being fired after 2 seasons and having your dreams crushed and I'm sorry you had your dreams crushed and all that but it's not because you're black. In fact if you remember there were 3 ladies in the first episode who got cut out (2 writers and 1 actor) after a short period. That's life in the NFL

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It was the inappropriate jokes about racial stereotypes and the passive aggressive comments made by the crew to the black cast members. Did you even watch that part? Like the joke alluding to the black kid being a drug dealer in the playground. A totally inappropriate joke for a kids program.

It's totally understandable why the black kid and his parents would feel uncomfortable by that. Your post makes it sound like you think you know better than them.

Honestly, you come off as that guy who thinks racism doesn't exist because you personally haven't experienced it.

Proposition Joe said:

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Watched EP1 and did some googling. The guy may be a creep, he may have some fetishes, but he worked 20 years with kids at Nickelodeon and the most damning stuff they have is some cut videos that could be construed as sexual... that were signed off on by probably 50 other people at Nick?

EP1 had an adult male complaining that when he was a kid on the show he had to wear a leotard when playing a superhero character and that made him uncomfortable. And an adult female complaining that when she was a kid on the show they said at one point she was getting too fat.

I'd wager those two were compensated for this documentary.

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I think the point of all this was to show that these sets were a bit of a hostile workplace with some clearly inappropriate jokes and innuendos. Stuff that kids wouldn't catch. Like slime getting squirted on Jamie Lynn Spears's face. Just gross that adult men are writing these jokes.

And a lot of the jokes aren't "construed as sexual." They ARE sexual. Idk if you've gotten to ep 4 yet but it shows a lot of blatantly sexual innuendos that are just revolting.

I guess Dan wasn't an actual sexual predator like Brian Peck but his antics did not help

barbacoa taco said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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Watched EP1 and did some googling. The guy may be a creep, he may have some fetishes, but he worked 20 years with kids at Nickelodeon and the most damning stuff they have is some cut videos that could be construed as sexual... that were signed off on by probably 50 other people at Nick?

EP1 had an adult male complaining that when he was a kid on the show he had to wear a leotard when playing a superhero character and that made him uncomfortable. And an adult female complaining that when she was a kid on the show they said at one point she was getting too fat.

I'd wager those two were compensated for this documentary.

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I think the point of all this was to show that these sets were a bit of a hostile workplace with some clearly inappropriate jokes and innuendos. Stuff that kids wouldn't catch. Like slime getting squirted on Jamie Lynn Spears's face. Just gross that adult men are writing these jokes.

I guess Dan wasn't an actual sexual predator like Brian Peck but his antics did not help

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I agree. The documentary goes into the fact that these male writers sort of "got off" on getting this stuff past the censors and referred to Jamie Lynn Spears getting squirted in the face as the "money shot" and laughed about it. That's just gross.

Also, I believe demanding neck massages from female staff and paying them demonstrably less (on the order of 50%) than male counterparts with less experience is some misogynistic bull****. That kind of stuff is legally actionable and when one of the women finally took legal action, she explained that she had better get a great settlement figure because she would never be hired again for standing up against a guy like him.

I'm not a woman who's quick to charge someone with being misogynistic by any means. I appreciate masculinity and pray that this country starts raising "real men" again because Dan Schneider seems like the type who takes his sexual frustrations out on women.

As for the Drake Bell situation, I wish the best for him. His dad tried and no one listened. What really burned me about that situation was that when his dad expressed concern about how inappropriate Peck was with his touching, he was told that "Peck is gay and you're probably just being homophobic" to try to shut him down.

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TresPuertas said:

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And the third thing which was just completely cringe-worthy was the "racism" claims by the black cast members. They didn't describe a single racist incident and predictably leaned on racism to explain the normal happenings of the child actor life. This bothered me the most actually. You've got to take responsibility for your decisions.

Yeah, it sucks being fired after 2 seasons and having your dreams crushed and I'm sorry you had your dreams crushed and all that but it's not because you're black. In fact if you remember there were 3 ladies in the first episode who got cut out (2 writers and 1 actor) after a short period. That's life in the NFL

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Honestly, you come off as that guy who thinks racism doesn't exist because you personally haven't experienced it.

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That's fine if you think that. I'm also one who believes that the demand for racism is far exceeding the supply, particularly in the most liberal place on earth, Hollywood.

What is blamed on as racism isn't that. it's that the child actor business is a dirty one and a lot of **** gets shoveled on these kids regardless of color. and their boss didn't appear to be a racist, but just a total dick to everyone regardless of color.

as far as the drug dealing but, sorry, but don't see it. you could find racism in any role anyone is in. when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I thought it was odd that short little video of Leo DiCaprio with Peck was glossed over and never mentioned again. (Though it makes sense I suppose, as the doc was specifically about Nickelodeon.)

But, I remember seeing that exact clip in a video I saw once about the story of DiCaprio's rise in Hollywood, and thought it was incredibly weird.

I love Leo, I've mentioned many times he's probably my favorite actor, but a part of me does wonder if his obsession with younger women isn't a sign of a more sinister issue within his psyche due to possible abuse by someone like Brian Peck.

Might be a topic for another thread, just a weird thought I had.

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LOL. We'd all be with hot 20 somethings if we were rich, famous, and had Leo's looks.

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Has he really? I read that he never talked about it publicly until the documentary makers made it clear to him that his identity as the victim was known and they wanted to talk about it.

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If you saw the build up to this doc, it was all about "child star bombshell".

Then there was a rollout that the child star was Drake.

Now Drake has tonssssssss to say.

Who has apologized to him, who hasn't. Who did this, who did that.

A billion interviews.

It's all very calculated and publicity whoring.

Am I the only one that had no idea this guy did anything besides Head of the Class?

Could tell in the first few mins this show was a hit piece with no real evidence of anything except whiny actors

Bruce Almighty said:

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Am I the only one that had no idea this guy did anything besides Head of the Class?

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I only knew him from that and Better Off Dead.

So sad when Ricky's mom blew up.

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Could tell in the first few mins this show was a hit piece with no real evidence of anything except whiny actors

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except all the sexual assault and emotional abuse I guess.

that was corroborated by many different people from actors, to crew, to journalists, to parents, to friends.

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Of course it is, that's kind of how movie marketing works.

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If you're a movie star marketing a movie, sure.

If you're an abuse victim in a documentary whose only goal was to tell their story, it's a lil different.

Publicity whoring need not apply there.

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show a little more grace. these former child stars don't owe the world anything when it comes to sharing their stories. I would have loved to hear from Amanda Bynes in the documentary but apparently she was not interested in being interviewed.

it always takes a lot of courage to come forward and relive your own trauma like that.