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9:57p, 5/9/24
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Don't know how to search for old threads, so sorry if this has been discussed as nauseum.. Also, I recognize I'm late to the party on this, but I finally got around to watch The Sopranos.

My wife and I finished the finale last night. She was completely miffed at the ending. Now, I avoided most every spoiler for the series, although I knew it had an abrupt ending, I didn't know what was happening when it hard cut.

Since the series is so old, it's hard to find good discussion threads on the ending and the opinions of everyone when it aired. I personally liked it, and I think the fact that it's left up to interpretation is fun.

I don't really even know what my point is.. I just feel like I crossed a milestone in my life and didn't know where else to post about it lol. I think Tony is dead before leaving the restaurant. What about y'all?
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10:05p, 5/9/24
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Tony got whacked right in front of his family, specifically meadow walking through the door.
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In reply to NukeAg10 • 10:10p, 5/9/24
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This. He got whacked.
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10:19p, 5/9/24
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/feature/the-sopranos-david-chase-tony-ending-the-many-saints-of-newark-1235040185/amp/
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10:24p, 5/9/24
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Killed in front of his family. Conversation with Bobby foreshadowed the "how it would seem" ("probably don't even hear it when it happens"). Chase eventually referred to it as a death scene.
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10:25p, 5/9/24
Here's the Final Season thread

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/854678/1#discussion

And a shorter one after Chase finally talked.


https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/993356/replies/13230801#13230801
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5:40a, 5/10/24
I was late to the party too... watched it about a year ago.

I thought something was wrong with my TV or Roku. I backed it up and played it again. I was scratching my head.
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7:17a, 5/10/24
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I watched the series after it finished and knew how it ended. I liked the ending, but I may have felt differently if I watched it live.
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7:36a, 5/10/24
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I've never seen an episode of the sopranos and neither has my wife. Not sure why but always resisted it for some reason when it was airing on HBO even though we had young kids and plenty of time to watch (not with them of course). I love gangster movies such as The Godfather, Goodfellas, Scarface etc.

Strange I know.

I liken it to the bottle of Pappy that I was given as a gift and haven't opened yet as the hype may exceed reality.

How does the Sopranos hold up, is it timeless and I should pop the cork asap….or not?




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In reply to drmwvr • 7:54a, 5/10/24
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drmwvr said:
I've never seen an episode of the sopranos and neither has my wife. Not sure why but always resisted it for some reason when it was airing on HBO even though we had young kids and plenty of time to watch (not with them of course). I love gangster movies such as The Godfather, Goodfellas, Scarface etc.

Strange I know.

I liken it to the bottle of Pappy that I was given as a gift and haven't opened yet as the hype may exceed reality.

How does the Sopranos hold up, is it timeless and I should pop the cork asap….or not?




Watch the show and drink the whiskey you doofus
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag
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8:07a, 5/10/24
I took it more as "this is his life, now". For the rest of his life, he's constantly going to be looking over his shoulder, as is shown in that diner scene. He will live in fear till the day he dies.
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In reply to drmwvr • 8:17a, 5/10/24
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It's definitely timeless, though I don't think it's the greatest tv show ever made like many thought 20 years ago. What it did though, was kick start the golden age of television where the quality and storytelling of tv rivaled movies.
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8:43a, 5/10/24
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I took it as breaking the 4th wall. The audience got whacked.
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8:45a, 5/10/24
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Best part of that show was all his therapy sessions.
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8:50a, 5/10/24
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It set the standard for the drama series we have known and loved for the last 20 years. I don't consider it the best though. I think in later seasons it became more about the actors than the writing, making sure everyone got their own interesting story line.
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9:04a, 5/10/24
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GOAT. Still holds up. I've rewatched 4 or 5 times.
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9:07a, 5/10/24
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I thought Chase was masterful with the ending even though it pissed a lot of people off. Clearly he left it quasi ambiguous and left for interpretation. My interpretation is he got wacked, and I think this is what pissed people off. If Tony died people anticipated it would be very dramatic and sensational based on the magnitude of his character and central figure in the story. But it my opinion this better fitted reality where there is no grand ending. Sudden and melodramatic for the recipient. The other popular leading opinion as someone mentioned above is the "audience got wacked", which I also like and think is befitting. Same concept as Tony though. When you go, there is no pomp and circumstance. Not dramatic. Don't know it's coming. One moment life as normal, next moment, well you don't see the transition.

My biggest question is how did you like the overall show? It is my second favorite show of all time (only bested by MASH). I have a friend who also hasn't seen it and have been encouraging to watch (over the last 20 something years). Curious how it holds up to newbies now with the age and lack of external hype/discussion from the people around you.
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9:14a, 5/10/24
The Michael Imperioli podcast in companion with the show is incredible and insightful to episode and the background, the writing, production, etc.

I believe the ending is perfect, it is up for interpretation.

The Sopranos is probably my favorite show of all time, the character development and the writing and dialogue are what I believe to be the best in TV history. I do consider The Wire to be a better overall show in terms of story telling and plot.
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In reply to Victory Dance • 9:25a, 5/10/24
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g6- I knew this response was out there (and I deserve it)!
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10:02a, 5/10/24
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I didn't watch The Sopranos until about 4 years ago but it was impossible to miss the ending discussion when it aired. In my recollection a lot of people HATED it and were very vocal about it. For me it's hard to say because I knew what was coming. I do remember a minority of people praising it at the time. Pretty sure Chase confirmed recently that Tony gets whacked in the scene and that's why it immediately goes to black.
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In reply to Know Your Enemy • 10:22a, 5/10/24
Know Your Enemy said:
I didn't watch The Sopranos until about 4 years ago but it was impossible to miss the ending discussion when it aired. In my recollection a lot of people HATED it and were very vocal about it. For me it's hard to say because I knew what was coming. I do remember a minority of people praising it at the time. Pretty sure Chase confirmed recently that Tony gets whacked in the scene and that's why it immediately goes to black.
For many years Chase said the shows ends so there is no ending to Tony Saprano. He has since said he thinks Tony gets whacked but that is more from the side a viewer and not the show creator/writer. Imperioli has said for years he thought Tony was killed in the diner but in the last few years has since changed his opinion to saying they wouldnt kill Tony in front of his family and that he is still alive.

Really interesting to hear the writers and actors talk about it and how their own opinions change over time. Clearly an impactful story arc as it is still debated nearly 20 years later by people who were heavily involved with the show much less the fans like us.
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10:28a, 5/10/24
IMO series didn't really hold up. As a whole it was groundbreaking due to the era that it ushered in, but I wouldn't even consider it a Top 10 series of all time. Felt like every season introduced a new generic "baddie".

As for the ending, I'd say fitting but IMO not fulfilling. I left shows like Breaking Bad, The Shield, Justified and The Americans feeling satisfied with the ending, but not so much with Sopranos.
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10:43a, 5/10/24
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I think it was the best at its time and helped lay the groundwork for subsequent series to go to another level
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 10:57a, 5/10/24
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
I took it more as "this is his life, now". For the rest of his life, he's constantly going to be looking over his shoulder, as is shown in that diner scene. He will live in fear till the day he dies.
This is exactly how I interpretted that ending. To me it never really mattered if he got killed or not right then. His time was going to come whether it was that night, or some time in the future. I get that some people need closure in a story but I thought the ending was still good. The thing they couldn't do with The Sopranos is give it a happy ending, that's not in the spirit of the show, that would have been antithetical to what it was. Tony is a bad guy at the end of the day, his character isn't supposed to live happily ever after.
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In reply to StinkyPinky • 1:14p, 5/10/24
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StinkyPinky said:
I thought Chase was masterful with the ending even though it pissed a lot of people off. Clearly he left it quasi ambiguous and left for interpretation. My interpretation is he got wacked, and I think this is what pissed people off. If Tony died people anticipated it would be very dramatic and sensational based on the magnitude of his character and central figure in the story. But it my opinion this better fitted reality where there is no grand ending. Sudden and melodramatic for the recipient. The other popular leading opinion as someone mentioned above is the "audience got wacked", which I also like and think is befitting. Same concept as Tony though. When you go, there is no pomp and circumstance. Not dramatic. Don't know it's coming. One moment life as normal, next moment, well you don't see the transition.

My biggest question is how did you like the overall show? It is my second favorite show of all time (only bested by MASH). I have a friend who also hasn't seen it and have been encouraging to watch (over the last 20 something years). Curious how it holds up to newbies now with the age and lack of external hype/discussion from the people around you.


I thought it was a really good series. I still think Breaking Bad and The Wire are better.. but The Sopranos is competing with Better Call Saul for top 3. I enjoyed it all the way through, though I thought there were some plot lines that felt abandoned and/or I wanted resolution on.. but such is life.
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1:20p, 5/10/24
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His heart attacked him

Dead
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2:05p, 5/10/24
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I think the ending has actually aged really well.

Also of note for the "he got whacked " people, there's an unwritten mafia rule on the streets you can't whack a made guy in front of his family. That said, Tony ignored the rule himself taking Phil out in front of his wife and grandkids.
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In reply to Orlando Ayala Cant Read • 2:16p, 5/10/24
Damn, just read the link below and I've actually changed my mind. I hadn't really thought about the ending in a few years, but this is pretty convincing and fairly obvious when it's all explained, along with the showrunner's comments since the show ended.

https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/
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In reply to Proposition Joe • 2:20p, 5/10/24
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Proposition Joe said:
IMO series didn't really hold up. As a whole it was groundbreaking due to the era that it ushered in, but I wouldn't even consider it a Top 10 series of all time. Felt like every season introduced a new generic "baddie".

As for the ending, I'd say fitting but IMO not fulfilling. I left shows like Breaking Bad, The Shield, Justified and The Americans feeling satisfied with the ending, but not so much with Sopranos.
Speaking of satisfying endings/closure…….Succession!
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3:09p, 5/10/24
That's the thing if you look at the Mafia rules it's said that they don't kill a Boss/Capo/made guys in front of their family.

Michael Franzese former Mob guy has a YouTube channel. He discuss rules/mafia business. He has also discussed the Sopranos numerous times of where it's authentic or Hollywood fiction.


So if Tony did get whacked in the dinner in front of his family then it wouod kinda go against the rules
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3:13p, 5/10/24
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Right, but as mentioned, Phil Leotardo got his brains blown out and then rolled over like a smashed pumpkin in front of his.

I think all of those old rules have long been out the window anyway.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 3:16p, 5/10/24
That's 100% accurate too. I lean that he got whacked but it kinda of one of those endings people can choose to believe what they want too.
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8:21p, 5/10/24
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Literally finished the finale 20 hours ago, but my opinion is he got whacked. I think the jacket guy that went to the restroom came out and got him..

I read an article that said the entire scene was laid out like, camera on Tony, he notices something, the camera switches to what he looks at.. so him looking up and the screen going black is the same thing. Tony saw black cause he got got.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 8:40p, 5/10/24
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
Damn, just read the link below and I've actually changed my mind. I hadn't really thought about the ending in a few years, but this is pretty convincing and fairly obvious when it's all explained, along with the showrunner's comments since the show ended.

https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

The incredible amount of foreshadowing plus the imagery and context clues in that one scene all point to one thing. I was always incredulous that there was any other interpretation and I would say "Did you even watch the show? Or just binge to the end?"

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