Yup, that whole ep was just a blast.

I lost it after Bev walked out..."Who is that ****in' woman?"

Zombie Jon Snow said:

---

Kept thinking her husband was going to be someone because we did not see him - until the very end,

---

I kept thinking the husband was going to be dead and she buried him under the boat.

Also, if anyone started a Can Cans, it would be a massive success...

I was late watching last week's, and I know I said it once already this season, but that now may be my favorite episode. So much fun. Who had Meryl a Streep in a cat fight with Melissa McCarthy? And the 8 of them all there for the episode just had so much great stuff. Scenes from An Italian a restaurant as the ring tone? Molly Shannon was perfect in her crazy, Zach continues to be delightfully sardonic. And the doll that looked like a Meryl Streep? I'm not even a MM fan but she was perfect in that role too.
I kept thinking the husband was going to be Peter Dinklage though, because she called him a little man a few times, and there would have been irony in Big Mike as his name. No such luck.

Ugh. Now I'm exasperated.

While it wasn't the Westies as I predicted, I now think Glen Stubbins may be a red herring too because that reveal was too soon.

I think he probably was not the protege being referred to because he was already an established stunt person for Ben Glenroy. Still could be him or even him and this other person.

But now I think it is Marshall and he was an aspiring stunt person (protege) who came across a script by Sazz of this podcast concept and stole it and killed her for it and then took on the identity of a writer. It explains why he cannot make the script edits and why Glen Stubbins seemingly recognized him and mentioned the (fake) beard as being new. Sazz knew Glen from the bar and they both probably knew Marshall as this stunt person. As a twist I think Marshall may be a "she" or she/he was a stunt double for a woman (like Sazz is for Charles despite the gender difference) and took on a male appearance to be a writer. Remember Glen referred to Marshall as "Lassie".

Again with my theory that we do not see the character for many episodes - Marshall has been MIA since the shooting as well. Now they did sort of suspect Marshall briefly but not really and they never looked into his alibis.

Damn now I'm torn between Glen and Marshall - maybe it is both.

Hmmm upon reflection so many things just don't make much sense and still a lot of unanswered questions. Maybe more questions than answers this week....all we really know is Dudenoff was not murdered (apparently although that could still be in play)....

Helga is a just a weird story
- so it was less traumatic to have Dudenoff just leave and just give her a note and have her alienated by the group instead of knowing Dudenoff was dead?
- why was she on the ham radio to sazz to begin with?
- why was she still on the ham radio if she was not speaking to the westies?
- what significance is her being a locksmith (too random)?
- why did she never play Oh Hell with the brothers sisters?
- how did Howard know her pigs name?
- if she thought dudenoff was dead why was her pig in his apartment anyway?
- where has she been anyway just alone in her apartment?
- why was her face scratched out in the photo? it served no purpose except for us and the trio really
- why were the Brothers sisters not part of this funeral thing?

And we got no answers from the Westies to these:
- who is sending the hams wrapped in portugal flags?
- what was the source of the tinsel/tape?
- why is Ben's name on Rudy's naughty list? And Emma (Charles daughter) too?

And nothing to clear up the longer running questions
- who wrote those notes in S1?
- who poisoned winnie?
- who has the phone and sent the texts this season?
- who placed the spy cameras?

Zombie Jon Snow said:

---

Ugh. Now I'm exasperated.

While it wasn't the Westies as I predicted, I now think Glen Stubbins may be a red herring too because that reveal was too soon.

I think he probably was not the protege being referred to because he was already an established stunt person for Ben Glenroy. Still could be him or even him and this other person.

But now I think it is Marshall and he was an aspiring stunt person (protege) who came across a script by Sazz of this podcast concept and stole it and killed her for it and then took on the identity of a writer. It explains why he cannot make the script edits and why Glen Stubbins seemingly recognized him and mentioned the (fake) beard as being new. Sazz knew Glen from the bar and they both probably knew Marshall as this stunt person. As a twist I think Marshall may be a "she" or she/he was a stunt double for a woman (like Sazz is for Charles despite the gender difference) and took on a male appearance to be a writer. Remember Glen referred to Marshall as "Lassie".

Again with my theory that we do not see the character for many episodes - Marshall has been MIA since the shooting as well. Now they did sort of suspect Marshall briefly but not really and they never looked into his alibis.

Damn now I'm torn between Glen and Marshall - maybe it is both.

---

Well that pretty much nailed this shut and I was right more or less...

Except not about Glen Stubbins of course. I'm totally stunned that Paul Rudd took this role just as Glen to be killed again. Although that is funny in a way. Maybe he can be killed again in the next season as another doppelgnger for Ben. This one will be named Roy soemthing and the Ben Glenroy trilogy will be complete.

That was pretty great with Ron Howard ("finally an A-lister this season" line by Oliver killed me especially since they have Eva, Zach and Eguene - lol) and it was great to see Sazz again.

I immediately got the sense something was in the case of beer when they had it at the hospital and it had not been touched. Side note: a TV/movie pet peeve of mine as Mabel was clearly holding up a nearly empty box there is no way she could hold a 12 pack out at arms length like that - I hate that in scenes when people are obviously carrying empty boxes or luggage the physics always throws me off. Anyway I digress.

So now I guess the only thing left her is to save Mabel who will likely be in danger with Marshall in her apartment and the truth out.

Kinda weird to have so much revealed in episode 9 but maybe they wanted to change the formula - or maybe there is still a twist to reveal. That's gonna be my bet actually - an accomplice. And maybe it is still Glen but right now I would bet more on Maggie, the bartender, or Bev. I think Bev has a good chance of being the one because she obviously is under tremendous pressure and could have been working with Marshall out of desperation here and not caring what the source of the script really was.

So thinking about this more ...

I don't think Marshall did it. I think he stole the script, but giving away the killer in episode 9 is too easy. Plus really we have had kind of feints before in episode 9 - The Dimases, Cinda Canning and Donna were all revealed in episode 9 as the killer and they were not.

Now Marshall makes sense and we even think we saw him kill Glen, but not if he has a twin who is Rex Bailey. Both have fake hollywood names and one of them is a struggling writer and the other is a struggling stuntman.

We've had a lot of indication of twins including the Brothers sisters and Bev being unable to tell them apart. What if the same is true of Rex and Marshall except they are identical twins.

Maybe the writer got hit by Sazz and accidentally picked up her script in the back seat of that car with his papers and then sent his twin to do the stunt work with Sazz. Or maybe they were both there. Now he had a great script and started offering it as his own and got the movie deal with Bev who could not tell them apart. So Rex is the one doing the killing perhaps and the stunt level stuff to get rid of the body, etc. And Marshall was on set just before the shots rang out so maybe he did not shoot Glen but Rex did which would make sense.

One of the odd things is Glen Stubbins reaction to Rex Bailey the name and person. At the funeral in the stunt bar he was cussing his name and it really made him angry to be compared to a Rex Bailey. But when he saw Marshall and noticed the new beard he did not freak out so that was not Rex Bailey. Glen could tell them apart maybe unlike Bev. But in his hospital bed he recognized that was Rex and he was terrified.

It is possible of course that it is the two of them working together and thus providing an alibis as Marshall claims he was doing standup the night Sazz was shot. And we have a lot of indications it was a two person job. Which actually opens up the possibility of a third (Bev, Maggie, bartender, Helga, Rudy) being involved too. Or two of them and not Marshall who is only guilty of stealing the script.

So not solved for sure - but I'm convinced it is not Marshall or not just Marshall and it is either Marshall+Rex or Rex+third party. Either way it is not as simple as Marshall did it.

I think we also have our 5th season setup because none of this seemingly relates to the cameras placed in the apartments or the notes. And there was that weird scene focusing on the news report of the mob guy disappearing called "The Neck". I think thats going to involve the Arconia and dry cleaning (the missing bag) and the bugging of their apartments by the mob, maybe even an extortion racket involving the westies and the rent control scheme. I think it was also on long island and will involve Charles sister and her ex cop husband. So we will get more Melissa McCarthy next season.

Something will go down at the wedding of Oliver and Loretta in the Arconia - I fear it might be Loretta actually. But that leads them into finally finding out the plot holes we are missing since season 1.

This is more of a discussion about the story arc across all seasons

S1- (assuming there's a continuous story arc starting in S1)- why did this unknown person want them to stop looking into Tim Kono's death? His killer was Jan, and supposedly she didn't write the notes/poison Winnie. So why was there a note left on her door instead of one of the trio's?

Is there more to the story involving the Hardy Boys or Zoe's life? More to the jewelry crime syndicate/mob connections? Something that has to tie into current season for the notes to start back up.

S3- We find out Uma is a klepto. Did she steal something that can identify someone as a killer?

*I'm guessing Uma will be the murder victim at the end of S4.*

S4- I feel like Helga inserted herself into the Westies lives. Probably wouldn't have been hard to find out Dudenoff regularly needed a locksmith. Knowing the Oh Hell game and watching Perfect Strangers with her dad was a little too convenient. In the picture where her face is crossed out, she has braids like Loretta and a beanie like Rex. Coincidence? Is it possible Dudenoff suspected her of something and staged his death (with help from Westies) to throw her off? Off what I'm not exactly sure.

I thought it would be revealed that it was actually the stunt double who was killed in Season 3, and Paul Rudd's character (the actor one) was masquerading as his stunt double.

That's one theory and I posted that earlier. Now kind of doubt that as the double was apparently killed too.

I say apparently because we didn't really see it. There is another theory that everything has been faked for the purposes of some tv show or movie following the trio solving a crime that never actually happens and that Sazz Dudenoff and Glen were never killed. All some elaborate ruse with everyone but the trio in on it.

They signed away their rights and then we have the camera placements everywhere to capture them at every possibility at least in the Arconia. But we've also seen cameras tracking them outside of the building. And then things like how they very easily got into that movie set of Ron Howard after a minimal attempt to refuse them entry then they just walk in when somebody says hey extras over here. And of course, all three were chosen to be in it.

The bad accents and over dramatic acting like of the nurse etc and there are never names outside hospital rooms. Even Marshall or Rex or whoever that was showing up all in black is a very TV or movie trope sort of outfit. And he would stand out in a hospital. Plus all the over the top caricatures like Bev, the brothers sisters, Marshall/Rex, And Rudy and Helga and pretty much everyone and even the celebrities. So possibly these ridiculous Ronkokoma and Kongo movies are not real either and Ron Howard is part of this ruse too since he knew Oliver. The westies and stunt people all involved too to give the trio plenty of suspects and false clues. Also detective Williams dressing differently and acting differently. The complete lack of involvement of any police or FBI although Williams occasionally provides them little clues here and there. Even the sudden appearance and disappearance of the FBI looking for Jan and then nothing. The shooting of Glenn could've been faked easily with stunt doubles and movie props. And we never actually see any filming going on just staging of scenes and script and Director and producer discussions.

I dont like that idea of nobody really died but there is a lot of oddness to support that possibility.

I had wondered about Sazz still being alive too.

Are the Brothers Sisters supposed to be a parody of the Wachowskis?

Zombie Jon Snow said:

---

Something will go down at the wedding of Oliver and Loretta in the Arconia - I fear it might be Loretta actually. But that leads them into finally finding out the plot holes we are missing since season 1.

---

Charles thought he had found love with Jan, but she wound up being the murderer. I suppose Oliver could experience the same with Loretta? He seems too happy.

Meryl Streep and Martin Short falling in love while filming 'Only Murders In The Building' is "one of the most unexpected turns," co-creator John Hoffman says https://t.co/gNHdr7RrD9 pic.twitter.com/wULRwUUeZI

— Decider (@decider) October 24, 2024

That can't possibly be real…

aggiebird02 said:

---

That can't possibly be real…

---

Oh it is they have been spotted out together all over the place recently.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

---

aggiebird02 said:

---

That can't possibly be real…

---

Oh it is they have been spotted out together all over the place recently.

---

I've seen several theories and even propagated a few on here including

- the Rex and Marshall are twins theory
- the it's all faked and it is a show within a show theory
- Glen is really Ben theories
- the Moriarty theories about some mastermind since S1



Well this is one theory I just read that makes mine seem incomplete. I've never seen a breakdown like this in so much detail. I'm not saying it is right but damn it is well thought out and covers nearly everything except some possible lingering theories since S1 that are probably not resolved until the final season.

I just want to applaud this - right or wrong it is just WOW......and I do think it has a lot of merit. It ties together so many things that we just have snippets of.

At this point I don't think anything is a spoiler - it's all just speculation anyway.

BUT DONT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU DONT WANT TO POSSIBLY BE SPOILED

DISCLAIMER THIS IS NOT MY THEORY!!!!! it comes from Reddit Only Murders board.

Fixed spoiler tags after 11 edits - they don't like special characters inline sometimes

Unresolved Season 4 Clues and Questions

Before revealing the detailed theory of what we will learn in episode 10, here are all the season 4 clues and questions that are still unresolved. This list does not include any unresolved clues from prior seasons because I don't think they will be resolved in episode 10

-Who put the tea kettle on in Charles' apartment the night of Sazz's murder?
-What did Mabel demand in exchange for her life rights?
-Who was in Sazz's apartment?
-What is the meaning of 11 13 26? 14? 86? written on a note on Sazz's desk?
-Who called the front desk and asked that a hole in Charles' window be repaired?
-According to Jan, Sazz thought someone had eyes on Charles; who?
-According to Jan, Sazz thought there might be another murder in the building; is this correct? if so, who?
-Who banged on the door of Dudenoff's apartment when the trio was in there?
-Who typed in the code to Dudenoff's apartment immediately after that?
-Did Sazz intend to write TAP IN or something else?
-What was Rudy doing when the shot went off?
-Is Rudy a hunter?
-Who wrote the weird Es on Rudy's abs?
-Why is the FBI involved?
-How did the bartender recognize the trio as podcasters when the trio went to Concussions?
-What career was Sazz transitioning into?
-What was the difficult relationship Sazz wanted to get away from?
-During Sazz's funeral, who put the real bottle in with the breakaways?
-Whose pistol was at Sazz's trampoline academy?
-What happened to the sixth round in the pistol?
-What does the forensics report on the pistol reveal?
-Does Marshall actually have an alibi?
-Did the pig cam yield any useful footage?
-Who planted the 720k camera in Oliver's apartment?
-Who has been spying on Oliver, Mabel, and Charles?
-Who sent the text I'M WATCHING YOU?
-How did the bartender know that Glen had been shot and was in the hospital?
-Who is Nicky "the Neck" Caccimelio?
-Where is Caccimelio?

Final Season 4 Theory
-Sazz was transitioning into both a screenwriting career and operating her trampoline park

-When Sazz was writing her OMITB script, she added in some "tells"dialog or events that were either intentionally wrong, or things that happened but were not included in the podcast and only Sazz knew about. She did this so if anyone stole her script, she could prove it was plagiarized and not based on the podcast.

-Marshall copied Sazz's script, and Sazz went through her script, writing down each page containing a tell, and going through Marshall's script and crossing off her list of all the tells he copied from her script. This is what the note on Sazz's desk stating 11 13 26? 14? 86? means.

-Either by finding the tells in Marshall's script or some other way, Sazz learned that Marshall stole her script and sold it to Paramount

-Sazz first confronted Marshall and asked him to do the right thing

-Marshall refused to do the right thing

-So, Sazz decided she needed to contact the studio to tell them that she was the real author of the OMITB screenplay

-Marshall was the difficult relationship Sazz wanted to get out of. Alternatively, Sazz wanted to stop dealing with Caccimelio (see below).

-Marshall had frequented Concussions, where he got to know the bartender and Maggie

-The bartender's name is Nicky "The Neck" Caccimelio, the Dry-Cleaning King of Brooklyn. Operating out of the bar, he oversees a dry-cleaning company that cleans up crime scenes for the Caputo crime family. This front gives the dry-cleaning crew access to buildings and allows them to remove bodies without arousing suspicion.

-The reason that Mabel was fixated on the news report about Caccimelio is because she recognized the dry-cleaning van from the Arconia, where it often goes to pick up dry cleaning (including Charles' and Oliver's).

-Everyone at Concussions knew that Caccimelio had mob ties

-Sazz funded the trampoline camp in Paradise, NJ with funding from Caccimelio and/or the Caputo crime family

-Caccimelio would take people to Paradise and kill them and bury their bodies, unbeknownst to Sazz

-The pistol Bev found belonged to Caccimelio and will be traced to a previously unsolved murder
-Either Sazz found out that Caccimelio was dumping bodies in Paradise, NJ, or there was some problem with paying back the money that funded the trampoline park, or (less likely) Sazz was writing a new screenplay about Caccimelio, which Marshall may have found out about and told Caccimelio. Around the same time, Caccimelio may have learned that Marshall and Sazz were in a dispute and may have approached Marshall to work together to kill Sazz.

-Alternatively, Sazz may have been unaware that Maggie had a connection to Caccimelio and talked about wanted to get out of her business relationship with Caccimelio to Maggie. Maggie told Caccimelio and Caccimelio decided he needs to kill Sazz.

-The FBI is on the case because they know the mafia was involved. Except in limited circumstances (e.g., killings of state law enforcement officers, violent crimes against interstate travelers, and serial killers (yeah, I know; see the next line)), the FBI does not investigate state crimes such as murder. It does, of course, investigate RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Stature), which sometimes involves attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder as part of a RICO conspiracy, or transporting bodies across state lines, or financial fraud (in legal parlance, a "predicate act")

-Alternatively, the FBI is investigating a serial killer who will be revealed in episode 5

-Marshall worked with Caccimelio and Maggie (potentially a mob assassin, operative, or cleaner) to kill Sazz, and probably some others from Caccimelio's gang. Marshall probably pulled the trigger (although Maggie's name does line up with the method of murder because Sazz was shot with a single 300 win MAG cartridge).

-The reason Caccimelio recognized the podcasters immediately when they visited Concussions is that Caccimelio was either directly or indirectly involved with Sazz's assassination and learned about the podcasters then

-Marshall wore Sazz's father's fire vest when he shot Sazz, wore Ron-Ron's shoes, and fired the rifle from the Dudenoff apartment. He was wearing the fire vest because he knew he would have to put Sazz's body into the incinerator chute or perhaps more likely, turn on the incinerator after Sazz's body fell from the incinerator chute on Charles' floor to the incinerator. Marshall was fit enough to race through the Arconia tunnels or even through the 28 flights of stairs, although he probably didn't need to because there were others involved and all he needed to do was go to the basement, confirm Sazz's body made it from the incinerator chute on Charles' floor, and turn on the incinerator.

-This is the way the murder worked: one person (probably Marshall; maybe Maggie) shot Sazz, one or more people from Caccimelio's crew cleaned up the crime scene, one or more people put Sazz's body into Charle's suit bag and wheeled it out on a cart with other suit bags to the incinerator chute, and Marshall turned on the incinerator.

-Sazz had written TAP IN because she intended to write TAP IN APT. She was telling Charles that she had planted a camera or cameras in his apartment. She had installed the camera in Charles' apartment (and perhaps some in Oliver's apartment) to keep tabs on Charles and protect him.

-Someone from the Caccimelio crew may have been left behind when the trio came into Charles' apartment. If so, that person put on a tea kettle when Charles was asleep to mask the whistling sound of the bullet hole.

-Either Marshall or Caccimelio or Maggie has Sazz's phone. Probably Marshall.

-Marshall discovered the camera in Charles' apartment that Sazz had installed because the camera is connected to an app on her phone. Using this app, he started peeping on Charles (get it? Marshall P. Pope, pronounced PEEPope?).

-When Marshall heard that Charles was ambivalent about going to Hollywood, he texted Charles, pretending to be Sazz, and said she was doubling for Bakula in L.A.

-Either Marshall or Caccimelio called the front desk, pretending to be Charles, and asked them to have his window fixed (I used to think the murderer wrote a note but someone showed a screenshot of the murder board which seems to show a note from the front desk fielding a phone call).

-Marshall went to Sazz's apartment to spy on the trio. At the party, he overheard them saying that they would pay a visit to Sazz's apartment, and went to Sazz's apartment to steal incriminating evidence, but the trio showed up almost immediately.

-At Sazz's funeral, Caccimelio added a real bottle because he wanted Charles to die. He wanted it to look like an accident

-When Glen Stubbins recognized Marshall, Marshall panicked because he thought if his true identity (Rex Bailey) were revealed, the trio would know that he was involved in Sazz's murder.

-Marshall consulted with Caccimelio. Either Marshall, Caccimelio, or Maggie shot Glen in the head.

-Marshall sent the trio video clips of them being watched and the I'M WATCHING YOU. text. Marshall never saw the original I'M WATCHING YOU. note. But he heard about it on the podcast, or it's in Sazz's OMITB screenplay, or both. He's mimicking the note, but he was not the author of the note because in 2021 he was an innocent aspiring screenwriter.

-Although it hasn't been shown yet, we will learn that Caccimelio disappeared from Concussions and his other usual haunts around the time that episode 9 took place, either because he knew the FBI was closing in on him or he was worried that the trio was going to discover who he is and learn about his connection to Sazz.

-Caccimelio personally went to the hospital to kill Glen. The reason that Caccimelio knew that Glen had been shot was because Caccimelio either did the shooting himself or was involved in planning and/or ordering it.
-Uncharacteristically, Caccimelio brought with him a bouquet of flowers. (The bartender doesn't seem like the dainty type; see his reaction to Charles' and Oliver's drink orders.) Caccimelio brought the flowers because he was playing the part of a nice guy visiting a friend or family member in the hospital and didn't want to look conspicuous.

-When Caccimelio arrived at the hospital, he saw the trio and realized he couldn't kill Glen while they were there, or even after they left because they had already spotted him. If he were to kill Glen after being spotted by the trio, the trio would know it was the bartender who killed Glen. So, Caccimelio walked up to the trio, pretended to be helpful in their investigation, and revealed that he knew Glen is in a coma. (This is another red flag because how would he even know Glen was at the hospital if the hospital's only contact for Glen was Sazz?) It will be revealed in episode 10 that Caccimelio had someone follow the ambulance that took Glen to the hospital, or Marshall spied on the trio, learned which hospital Glen was at and his condition, and told Caccimelio.

-At the hospital, in response to the trio's questions, Caccimelio gave them limited accurate information about Sazz's protg, but also falsely claimed that he didn't know Rex Bailey or that Rex Bailey was Sazz's protg. (If you think about it, this is absurd because if Rex hadn't visited Concussions, which he probably did, at the very least

-Rex had been a frequent topic of conservation at Concussions (just as he was talked about during Sazz's funeral).) Caccimelio was doing this because he didn't want the trio to figure out too quickly or ever that Rex was Marshall (not knowing that Ron-Ron and Ollie were buddies).

-Unable to go back to the hospital himself, Caccimelio sent Marshall to kill Glen.
In episode 10, the trio will finally check Marshall's alibi and find that there is no YouTube video of his purported stand up on the night of the murder, or the date on the video won't line up

-Marshall may go to jail before the wedding (or even die, or die on his way to jail, a la Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald), seemingly solving the mysteries of season 4. But the trio, or at least Mabel, will be bothered by some additional, unsolved questions.

-Mabel will remember the news report about Caccimelio and realize that she recognized the dry-cleaning van from its visits to the Arconia. Detective Williams will probably tell Mabel that the pistol has been traced to Caccimelio or the forensics will show a match between the pistol and a bullet lodged in a corpse buried in Paradise, New Jersey. The trio may also see a photo of Caccimelio in the news or in a newspaper and realize that Caccimelio is the bartender at Concussions. Perhaps the pig cam also has relevant footage.

-Jan will make another appearance and save Charles from being killed by Caccimelio. Jan will be apprehended and sent back to jail. Alternatively, Jan will save Mabel or the other members of the trio from Marshall.

-Another possibility: the FBI/NYPD swoops in at the last minute to save the trio from Marshall or Caccimelio.

I have no idea who will be killed at the end of episode 10, but it won't be Loretta.

Season 4 Clues & Questions Not Addressed by This Theory
This theory explains almost everything. The only clues/questions from season 4 that it does not address are:
-What did Mabel demand in exchange for her life rights?
-Who banged on the door of Dudenoff's apartment when the trio was in there?
-Who typed in the code to Dudenoff's apartment immediately after that?
-What was Rudy doing when the shot went off?
-Is Rudy a hunter?

Bonus Season 5 Prediction
In season 5, the weird Es on Rudy's abs will be connected to the person in season 1 who poisoned Winnie and left the END THE PODCAST note (and the envelope with Sazz's per diem). It will either be Rudy or someone close enough to Rudy to write on his abs.

Well, I think zombie Jon Snow is going to be disappointed. Wife and I love this show. However, this season, the journey was much better than the payoff. I enjoyed it overall, but the last episode just did not live up to the build, in my opinion.

Micah97 said:

---

Well, I think zombie Jon Snow is going to be disappointed. Wife and I love this show. However, this season, the journey was much better than the payoff. I enjoyed it overall, but the last episode just did not live up to the build, in my opinion.

---

Yeah. I mean not disappointed exactly but wow after all of that and the convoluted theories it just comes down to the most simple explanation. A little anticlimactic maybe but played out very endearingly.

And it is genius in a way - they were almost messing with us and gave us the killer on a silver platter early on really (and just never checked his alibis) but made it so convoluted that we all looked for more elaborate explanations.

And in the end NOBODY (on here, reddit, or anywhere) guessed it was just Marshall using the ledge as access. Right in front of our eyes literally. It had to be an accomplice or double or something we all thought - until it didn't. Me too of course. I really was on the Ben/Glen theory until he was killed. In the end they did change it up and it was someone the trio suspected early on instead of someone looked over. Admittedly I dismissed Marshall as soon as they suspected him based on previous seasons and again I think the writers were having fun with that.

But so many things still were not answered or just glossed over. Like all the clues on her desk, and how Marshall knew about the Dudenoff apartment (apparently part of Sazz original screenplay?) Sazz's phone and the 720p camera did Sazz put it there? why would he bother to call lester to fix the window, who put the tea pot on, and of course the longer term things like the notes from S1 etc....

Jan hiding in there the entire time and exacting revenge was just perfect actually. Best part of the whole thing. I knew Marshall was about to get shot in front of that window but never thought of her. i thought maybe Rudy.

And poor Lester. I did see that predicted many times along with Loretta and it was funny that they played off the Loretta as the next victim rumors. More of the writers messing with us. But this Lester thing is going to tie into the mob and the missing guy and his wife that tried to hire them, etc... and probably those S1 clues. I saw a lot of stuff about the tie in to the dry cleaners, the mob, the van, etc....

Overall a good season but I agree a little more fun journey and less exciting reveal.

Like I said, I didnt watch for the whodunit piece, so for me it was a great season. FWIW though, I wasn't expecting another big twist coming into this week, thought it was pretty well sewn up last week. The fact that he had her hostage seemed the clear plot for the finale.
But having Jan be the savior in the end was just awesome. I laughed out loud when they showed her smiling face with the rifle. She plays that part so well.
Already looking forward to next season.

I agree. The mystery is secondary to the characters. "Weiner to weiner" will now forever elicit a laugh with my wife and me.

I feel there are clues in the interaction with Lester at the beginning of the episode:

- "All he does is let in murderers"
- "I got married in this courtyard, you know?"
- "The fountain as our witness"

What these mean, I have no idea.