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Like movies, concert attendance is down

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digging tunnels said:

How did The Cure get their fees to be lowered last year after even they complained about the ticket prices for their shows?? Can't other artists do the same?

The Cure still has enough muscle to get that done. What's Pearl Jam's story, are they doing it?
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BCG Disciple said:

Still plenty of good seats for The King at Kyle. I can get 2nd row floor seats for face value at their newly reduced face value. Problem is that face value with fees is still $700/ticket. We were trying to pay back Jimbo with one concert.
Have you looked at ticket prices for other stops on his tour? The Kyle Field prices are mostly in line, especially for the location. He's in the category of the legacy acts the article talked about still being able to demand high prices.
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BCSWguru said:

CheeseSndwch said:

I pulled the trigger on a Weezer ticket. GA Floor Ticket: $129.50 + Order Processing Fee: $12.00 + Convenience Fee: $25.50 = $167.50

It's on the high end of what I'd like to spend for a concert but Weezer playing the entirety of the Blue Album live is something I couldn't pass up.

I will say I don't buy much "stuff" so most of my spending goes towards experiences (e.g. restaurants, concerts, movies, sporting events, etc.) and I have backed off a lot on my outings because the prices and fee gouging has just gotten out of control. Luckily when it comes to music most of the bands that I like don't get much attention from the media/radio airplay, so it's rare that I go to a venue bigger than the House of Blues.
I saw them do the Blue album at Stubbs and I think I paid 55 dollars.

I had to go look this up. The "service charge" was 9 dollars. They were getting 16 percent in fees then. Ticketmaster is right at 20 percent now. I'm just done with it.

I used to live next door to Scott, the bass guitarist, and his place is where the band would often rehearse. My office was on the side of the house next to his studio, where I could hear bits and pieces of them playing from time to time. Was never not surreal. Especially when I'd be out front and see Rivers pull up, park on the street, and give a little nod hello. Really nice guys, too. Especially Scott.
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maroon barchetta said:

There's a couple of guys on this board who see more shows than 10-20 per year.
I used to do 40+/yr but... post scamdemic there weren't that many shows in LA.
And now that I've moved to Texas, I'm lucky if I get to 1 a month.
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KidDoc said:

Yes I'm middle aged but I'll say it anyway, modern music that is pushed by producers sucks. Period. That is the problem. Hard rock bands who write their own stuff and play an actual instrument are still hugely popular. If the penny pushers would start pushing young rock bands they would launch off like rockets. Luckily some older bands are having great young bands open for them to get exposure. Examples include The Pretty Reckless opening for AC/DC, Greta opening for Metallica a few years ago, Dirty Honey opening for Black Crowes.

Check out Powertrip or ACDC recent tour pics. Huge crowds
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Here are the shots from The Pretty Reckless- one in Houston opening for the Stones one in Munich opening for AC/DC




Thats vegas
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cajunaggie08 said:

KidDoc said:

Yes I'm middle aged but I'll say it anyway, modern music that is pushed by producers sucks. Period. That is the problem. Hard rock bands who write their own stuff and play an actual instrument are still hugely popular. If the penny pushers would start pushing young rock bands they would launch off like rockets. Luckily some older bands are having great young bands open for them to get exposure. Examples include The Pretty Reckless opening for AC/DC, Greta opening for Metallica a few years ago, Dirty Honey opening for Black Crowes.

Check out Powertrip or ACDC recent tour pics. Huge crowds
Edit for pics/vid:




Here are the shots from The Pretty Reckless- one in Houston opening for the Stones one in Munich opening for AC/DC




Thats vegas
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BCG Disciple said:

Still plenty of good seats for The King at Kyle. I can get 2nd row floor seats for face value at their newly reduced face value. Problem is that face value with fees is still $700/ticket. We were trying to pay back Jimbo with one concert.

A&M gets none of the ticket proceeds.
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wangus12 said:

I do wonder how much of this is because artists don't really bank on record sales anymore do they? I couldn't tell you the last time I paid for music. I have a free spotify account and just use that. Compared to have the old CD case in the late 90s/early 00s where I had dozens of albums.

I know they obviously get money from the streaming places, but does that truly replace album sales?

Regarding streaming, no. Spotify info:

Quote:

How much does 1 million music streams make?

The payment for 1 million streams on Spotify can vary, but it is generally estimated to be around $4,000 to $7,000. This amount is, however, split between the streaming platform and the rights holders.

And Spotify usually takes a 30% cut, splitting the revenue between the artist/rights holder and the platform. So if a band comprised of 4 members (plus manager, etc) gets $4K in streaming revenue, split 4 ways, that's not a living wage.

Touring has to be where bands make money these days, since effectively most make very little on streaming and album sales (except for Taylor Swift).

For most artists etc, i almost always try to by some sort of merch at shows to help them out.

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In Denver at least, concerts are ridiculously priced and usually sold out. Then I'm looking at the secondary markets.

I have no idea how so many people can spend so much on freaking entertainment. Kinda funny for me to post this after the movie thread where I mentioned pricing didn't impact me much. Total opposite here
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I think all that w make for a fascinating screenplay.

The one I would like to see would revolve around a big band that had a principal songwriter, who is still raking it in on publishing. He lives a low-key lifestyle, and has for the most part walked away from music altogether.. The rest of the band, not so much. Some medical bills are also piling up.

They hear the stories about how much these legacy bands are making touring, and they pressure head man in band to tour so they can keep up their lifestyle. He continues refusing, until one day something happens that could change everything (not money related).
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Did you tell him to bring home the bacon?
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Urban Ag said:

I paid $700 for two tickets to Def Leppard (also Joan Jett, Poison, and Motley Cru) in Sept of 2022 in Vegas for the wife and I. Only wanted to see DF and it was worth every penny.

Dropped $2k for VIP service for GNR in San Antonio last September. It was worth it. You get what you pay for.

That said, at our age, wife and I are bucket listing shows at this point. Next up, Bon Jovi.


I mean I can't think of a worse concert lineup but hey $750 is only about $749 overpriced
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Good read. Thank you

Concerts are too expensive
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cajunaggie08 said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Well the JLo one is no mystery. She sucks.

She has some catchy songs, but nobody is gonna pay $150+ to see her in concert.
Not that I ever was her target audience for music, but I dont recall even in J-Lo's heyday anyone at school saying they were huge J-Lo music fans. She is definitely that odd act that has sold well and hit all the top charts that doesnt translate into having a fan base large enough willing to pay hundreds of dollars to see her perform. Sort of proves that just because the industry makes you a star, that doesn't mean you are actually popular.
saw this article on my Twitter feed today (re: the George Strait show).


Quote:

"There's people in the country music industry that have had multiple No. 1 songs that couldn't play their own high school, and there's guys out here that have never, ever been on country radio that are doing eight thousand tickets." -Eric Church
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/the-real-significance-of-george-straits-record-setting-concert/
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Fantastic publicity.
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I honestly never liked concerts. It's expensive and the studio version is always better than the live performance.
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chick79 said:

I honestly never liked concerts. It's expensive and the studio version is always better than the live performance.
I can definitely get that, and there was a long period where I didn't go to any concerts. But it can be a pretty damn neat experience when the crowd is into it. For example, it's pretty great when you and thousands of strangers are singing along to Maiden's "Fear of the Dark" or Judas Priest's "Livin' After Midnight".
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chick79 said:

I honestly never liked concerts. It's expensive and the studio version is always better than the live performance.


You haven't seen the right artists.

Some are amazing live.
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maroon barchetta said:

chick79 said:

I honestly never liked concerts. It's expensive and the studio version is always better than the live performance.


You haven't seen the right artists.

Some are amazing live.
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Yep. I would rather listen to live albums of my favorite band than the studio versions.
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I think going back the last year, I've seen 7 concerts and one 3 day festival and the same band 4x's.

Probably most in any one year period in my life. So, I can't explain the trend.

Nickelback
Smashing Pumpkins
Counting Crows
Pearl Jam
Pearl Jam
Ohana Festival (The Killers, Eddie Vedder, Foo Fighters headliners)
Pearl Jam
Pearl Jam.

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MookieBlaylock said:

Urban Ag said:

I paid $700 for two tickets to Def Leppard (also Joan Jett, Poison, and Motley Cru) in Sept of 2022 in Vegas for the wife and I. Only wanted to see DF and it was worth every penny.

Dropped $2k for VIP service for GNR in San Antonio last September. It was worth it. You get what you pay for.

That said, at our age, wife and I are bucket listing shows at this point. Next up, Bon Jovi.


I mean I can't think of a worse concert lineup but hey $750 is only about $749 overpriced

I saw the same show in Boston at Fenway Park. Def were fantastic that night, and Poison was solid.

Crue sucked. I mean completely sucked. Their sound was terrible, Vince's voice is shot and he reads lyrics off prompters for every song. I also think they were playing to recorded music for at least Nikki Sixx. It was like they knew they weren't good sonically though, and tried to distract from that minor problem by having a more elaborate stage show with dancing girls etc.

Joan Jett was actually fantastic too, particularly for a 65 year old punk rocker.


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chick79 said:

I honestly never liked concerts. It's expensive and the studio version is always better than the live performance.
Go see LCD Soundsystem live if they ever tour again. That will change your mind.
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even the Kenney Chesney at FedEx Field seemed to be not completely sold out.
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EclipseAg said:


Back in the day, kids went to 10-20 concerts a year ... whenever they could scrape together the $7-$10 for a ticket (or maybe they were friends with Mike Damone, who always had extra Blue Oyster Cult tix). Does anyone do that today?


It's just really hard to do. In Denver prekids we'd go to the rose (smaller Billy bobs) like 2.5k I think venue and it was a reasonable $25 a ticket for Randy Rogers type bands and up and coming country artists. Saw Morgan Wallen there for that for his first tour.

But there aren't a ton of right sized venues and you have to either find a band before they're too popular or they have to be Randy type artists that have a core audience and just always tours at the same venue.
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man I bought two tickets for Darius Rucker (who for some reason is bringing along Hootie and the Blowfish)

looks like I should have just waited and bought the day before!
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LMCane said:

man I bought two tickets for Darius Rucker (who for some reason is bringing along Hootie and the Blowfish)

looks like I should have just waited and bought the day before!

This appears to be the move for most concerts these days. It's what I plan to do for Aerosmith in November.
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Aust Ag said:

LMCane said:

man I bought two tickets for Darius Rucker (who for some reason is bringing along Hootie and the Blowfish)

looks like I should have just waited and bought the day before!

This appears to be the move for most concerts these days. It's what I plan to do for Aerosmith in November.
how is Aerosmith still alive?!?
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LMCane said:

Aust Ag said:

LMCane said:

man I bought two tickets for Darius Rucker (who for some reason is bringing along Hootie and the Blowfish)

looks like I should have just waited and bought the day before!

This appears to be the move for most concerts these days. It's what I plan to do for Aerosmith in November.
how is Aerosmith still alive?!?


What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Hootie is a whole lot better show than solo Darius.
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maroon barchetta said:

There's a couple of guys on this board who see more shows than 10-20 per year.
I think jorger sees 20 per month.
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johnnyblaze36 said:

maroon barchetta said:

There's a couple of guys on this board who see more shows than 10-20 per year.
I think jorger sees 20 per month.


And everyone here wonders why they aren't doing it like he does it.
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LMCane said:

Aust Ag said:

LMCane said:

man I bought two tickets for Darius Rucker (who for some reason is bringing along Hootie and the Blowfish)

looks like I should have just waited and bought the day before!

This appears to be the move for most concerts these days. It's what I plan to do for Aerosmith in November.
how is Aerosmith still alive?!?
Well, another reason there to wait until November. Steven is a wild card.
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I have doubts that their tour ever happens.
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People's obsession with fees always amazes me. I get not wanting to have to wait until final checkout to see added fees (but that occurs because consumers have a gigantic FOMO), but this obsession with whether "face" is $50 and fees are $0 or if face is $100 and fees are $0.

It's a $100 ticket either way. Do you think it's worth it? Then buy. If you don't, then don't.

Non-transferability is exactly the trick Ticketmaster wants you to fall for.
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