So, do we think Harry and Kevin really want to take over the family, or was he just telling Freddie that to get information?

I think he just said it to gain the guy's trust. It was interesting to hear that Harry recognizes Conrad is slipping and that Maeve is a conniving beeotch.

Yep, he knows the score with Conrad and Maeve. How he handled Freddie was interesting - killing him didn't seem to be the plan, but he did divulge the Conrad/Maeve assessment before learning about the mole which seemed to trigger killing him and a new plan. So not sure what he was planning to leverage Freddie for before vs deciding he had to die. Dangerous to put that Conrad/Maeve stuff in his head (whether it's true or not) if he wasn't already planning to kill him

Just got completely caught up last night.

Harry's conversation with Eddie was great. I think Harry knows what Maeve is up to.

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Yep, he knows the score with Conrad and Maeve. How he handled Freddie was interesting - killing him didn't seem to be the plan, but he did divulge the Conrad/Maeve assessment before learning about the mole which seemed to trigger killing him and a new plan. So not sure what he was planning to leverage Freddie for before vs deciding he had to die. Dangerous to put that Conrad/Maeve stuff in his head (whether it's true or not) if he wasn't already planning to kill him

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Killing Freddie… could it be that they know about Janet talking to the undercover agent? One, they follow on all family members and two, they're now working with the feds. The thought just popped in my head reading your post.

interesting thought i hadn't considered. As far as we know Jan hasn't really spilled any details to the undercover police officer but finding out that Jan has become a mark for her may be enough. I could see Harry killing Freddie to keep that knowledge in because if Conrad finds out it won't be good

I'd imagine Alice (undercover agent) will also have some big questions when the rest of her team is suddenly MIA right after going to meet with Richie.

Episode 9

Thoughts?

The mole was the lawyer correct? Didn't he set up a meeting with her and she looked like she had just been busted? Did I miss something?

I may need to watch that one again. They obviously know that Alice is a cop now and Jans head is definitely on the block now yea?

What's up with the Bella Harrigan meeting and the comment from her father? I get the thought that she's wanting to go against the Harrigans vs landing the deal for them to prove herself. But then the scene pans out to the tie as if there's a sting operation going on. (Is that Harry's doing)

Also, cannot figure out what his next move is. He didn't even try to stop Kat and it seems like they all knew who she really was.

The dinner scene when Conrad has a knife and Maeve breaks open a wine bottle to go after each other was great. Then they sit down like nothing happened and the cops bust down the door only to be dragged away while each belts out an Irish folk song. Something about that scene makes me think that Maeve isn't as disloyal as we've been led to believe. I think something is up with the lawyer and we are gonna find out next week.

I am not sure if the lawyer is the mole or not. It would seem a little strange only because she has been such a small part of the story overall.

The scene with the Conrad and Maeve had a shot where it stayed on Seraphina for a long time. I am leaning towards her being the mole.

So I think that it is pretty clear at this point that Eddie is NOT Kevin's son, but his half-brother.

If that is the case, then why does Maeve favor Eddie so much but hate Serephina?

Is he just a means to an end as she knows Kevin doesn't really have the hate to be a Mob Boss, and wants the Harrigan name to continue no matter what?

Eddie does a great job of playing spoiled rich kid with no consequences. He is very unlikable.
It would be wild to see him in another show where he is the lead / hero.

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So I think that it is pretty clear at this point that Eddie is NOT Kevin's son, but his half-brother.

If that is the case, then why does Maeve favor Eddie so much but hate Serephina?

Is he just a means to an end as she knows Kevin doesn't really have the hate to be a Mob Boss, and wants the Harrigan name to continue no matter what?

Eddie does a great job of playing spoiled rich kid with no consequences. He is very unlikable.
It would be wild to see him in another show where he is the lead / hero.

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Eddie reminds me of Joffrey from Games of Thrones.


Bella is getting the blackmail goods on her Father and the Home Secretary. That may play out later as a way to save the family from going to prison.

We know Maeve was a traitor to the family when she reached out to set up a deal with Richie to kill off Seraphina. Does that mean she is also the one that is anonymously feeding info to the police? People in Richie's gang would only know of the mole (Maeve) because she did the deal with Richie. Richie's gang would not necessarily know who the Harrigan person was that was feeding info to the police. So when Freddie told Harry about which Harrigan turned, he would have only known about Maeve doing the deal with Richie. So, it's still up in the air about who is sending info to the Police. I'm not so sure it's the Lawyer. Harry may have called her because they are going to need legal help with whatever is coming next.

There is a good chance that Harry is the one sending the info to the Police. He knows the only way out from being stuck with the Harrigans is for Conrad and Maeve to go down. He can then leave, or stay and take over the operation, or work for/with Kevin. Eddie (Without Maeve) is a nobody.

The only way Harry being the mole kind of makes sense is that would have given him a reason to throw Freddie off the parking garage roof. But it doesn't make a lot of sense that Freddie would have accused him like that.

The idea that it could be Seraphina makes sense, there seemed like there might have been a look exchanged between her and the dirty cop when they were arresting Conrad and Maeve. The lawyer is also a possibility but it seems too simple to just have him call her to meet.

That said, geez what an episode. Kevin's scene with the former prison guard was just gut wrenching, Maeve's threats to Gina were freakin' terrifying, poor Eddie couldn't have been any more uncomfortable at dinner, and the Conrad v Maeve throwdown turned singalong as they got arrested was just epic. Eddie's exchange with Alice just before the police arrived was also really interesting, I didn't quite catch what she was doing with the glass?

I do need to go back to watch Conrad and Maeve's fight again, I think Conrad said he knew that she was talking to Richie but I don't quite know how he got that info.

I assumed Alice was taking the glass (with cigar butt) to be used later - the cops would plant it to frame Conrad and/or Maeve.

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I assumed Alice was taking the glass (with cigar butt) to be used later - the cops would plant it to frame Conrad and/or Maeve.

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Yes, Alice tells Harry she was getting the DNA to plant for Archie's murder. Alice said something along the lines of everything that Conrad has done, and they will convict him based on planted DNA...

Not sure the exact words, but it was when Harry asked to check her purse.

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So I think that it is pretty clear at this point that Eddie is NOT Kevin's son, but his half-brother.

If that is the case, then why does Maeve favor Eddie so much but hate Serephina?

Is he just a means to an end as she knows Kevin doesn't really have the hate to be a Mob Boss, and wants the Harrigan name to continue no matter what?

Eddie does a great job of playing spoiled rich kid with no consequences. He is very unlikable.
It would be wild to see him in another show where he is the lead / hero.

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i remembered seeing him previously in a movie but couldn't put my finger on where. then it hit me. he played Johnny Rotten in a sex pistols docu-drama a couple of years ago and while the movie wasn't great he was quite good. Kids a good actor and plays the role of Eddie well.

Gotcha, I caught part of that but didn't catch exactly what she said. Thanks y'all.

Definitely been a lot of fun so far.

How do you guys rate this one compared to The Gentleman? I watched a few episodes, then got distracted. It clearly didn't resonate as much with me, but it could have picked up.

Wondering if it's worth going back to.

The Gentleman was good, but I don't believe I watched all of it and missed some parts. I think Mobland is definitely more fast-paced and more enjoyable than Gentleman. It would probably still be worth picking back up since there will be a second season.

The Gentlemen is more of a slow burn but definitely worth a watch, great performances and the story gets really fun as things all come together. And Giancarlo Esposito is phenomenal.

agreed. and it's Richie so it's worth a watch but it's also very different.

it's a lot more playful at times. Mobland is more low down and dirty. There aren't any dancing chickens.

He also has this uncanny ability to make violence hilarious (which hasnt happened much in Mobland).

I loved The Gentleman.

It was a little more fun, while Mobland is a little more dark/dirty...but they're both great.

Thanks...decided to start over with The Gentleman and glad I did

I really didn't think Harry could be the rat until this episode. All along I thought his loyalty to Kevin and Conrad was too deep. Now, between him throwing his contact with the Stephensons off the roof and letting Alice go with the DNA evidence to use against Conrad and Maeve, I'm not so sure. He knew where Arch was buried, and as Conrad said in an earlier episode, the only people that knew that were Conrad and Harry. At that time, I thought for sure it was Maeve, especially with the way she sold out Brendan and Seraphina.

dont discount the fact that Harry may be deep cover.

Didn't we find out at the end it was Maeve who tipped the cops to Archie's body? I GUESS that could have been for theater…

And Harry would have been just as likely to toss Freddie off the rooftop to keep the info he just received secure, IMO. He knows Freddie can be turned.

Seems like they've been laying groundwork for a rift between Kevin and Conrad.

Best episode yet. Awesome music selections.

Agreed. A rewatch answers a lot of questions.

The end scene with Conrad was ridiculous.

And richie walked into all of that too easily.

But imo until the finale a great season.

Where does it go from here? Eddy and Maeve vs Harry and Kev?