The Original Houston 1836 said:

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The real problem is that you post such BS crap on most subjects, nobody takes you seriously when you try to be logical.

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No, the real problem is that this board lacks the intellectual capacity to comprehend my posts.

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aTmAg said:
Jaws wasn't that good of a movie. Lot's of blockbusters are mediocre.

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FL_Ag1998 said:


As usual your opinion on this board is flat out wrong.

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Nope..

It's a MONSER movie. Those go in the same bucket of mediocre as super hero movies.

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Not surprisingly, you missed the depth and nuance of Jaws.... the character interplay which makes it so much more than the simple monser movie you saw.

Town economic leaders vs. citizens who want revenge on the shark
You've got Quint & his personal obsession, Ahab-like vs. the shark.
Hooper & Quint who know stuff about the sea vs. Brody the land lubber.
Quint the old salt fisherman vs. Hooper the college boy.
Quint vs. Brody - Despite Brody being sheriff, Quint is Captain & in charge of the boat.
Brody & Quint the locals vs. the rich out of towner Hooper.
Brody & Hooper who have just a little bit of decorum vs. Quint the sailor; coarse blue collar veteran.

In the end all the men bond on the boat while getting sh*t faced drunk in pursuit of a unified quest culminating in one of the best monologues ever written (Hat tip Milius).

Yeah the shark kinda sucked, but it was the 70's & not an easy thing to make. But the movie was bad ass even before the shark showed up.

"De gustibus non est disputandum"

Yeah, kind of sounds like my fifteen year old son when he complains about the special effects in a movie from the 70's.

No **** that up close views of the shark didn't look realistic...the movie was made in the '70s!

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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aTmAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Jaws wasn't that good of a movie. Lot's of blockbusters are mediocre.

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As usual your opinion on this board is flat out wrong.

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Nope..

It's a MONSER movie. Those go in the same bucket of mediocre as super hero movies.

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Yet you list a summer blockbuster monster movie for the 1990s.

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Which one? Jurassic Park? Silence of the Lambs? Neither of those are monster movies.

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Jurassic Park can certainly be classified as a monster movie, especially if we're going to consider a great white shark a monster.

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I will grant that the sequels are nothing more than monster movies. But the first one is not. A big part of the first one is about the science in creating them and all of that. The T-rex doesn't even break out of it's cage until; the 2nd hour of the movie. Prior to that it's all about DNA, and all of that crap. On top of that, once it goes into "monster mode" the movie is nowhere near as good.

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The Silence of the Lambs would be a different kind of monster, but that's not the title I was pointing to.

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Just because there is a murderer in the show doesn't make it a monster movie. To me, a monster movie is one where literally the ONLY plotline is a monster(s) of some sort chasing the protagonists. Like Godzilla, the Blob, those flying Piranha movies, etc. Jaws falls squarely in that catagory.

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The freak in The Silence of the Lambs, or Hannibal Lecter, are not monsters in the typical sense, granted, but you do know that man is capable of truly monstrous acts of horror.

Monster movies are my earliest memories of watching movies. It was a thing between me and my dad. Quality was very rarely there, but when it was, it could be fantastic. Of the long list of monster movies I have seen, Alien, John Carpenter's The Thing, Aliens, Jaws, Jurassic Park, and The Thing From Another World are the best.

You are right that there is a lot going on in Jurassic Park that does not directly involve the dinosaurs. Same with The Thing, which you mentioned earlier. You can say the same about Aliens. But at the end of the day, these movies ultimately end up with some big thing, typically with lots of teeth, chasing people. Often killing people. The monster does not have to be a slimy reptilian thing or a shape shifting single cell organism to qualify as a monster. It can be a shark that has developed a taste for people or extinct creatures with lots of big teeth. That great white literally stalked the SS Orca, much like the xenomorph stalked Ripley into the freaking escape shuttle. In JP, once the velociraptors got loose, they were clearly hunting down the kids and then the scientist types.

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aTmAg said:
Jaws wasn't that good of a movie. Lot's of blockbusters are mediocre.

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FL_Ag1998 said:


As usual your opinion on this board is flat out wrong.

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Nope..

It's a MONSER movie. Those go in the same bucket of mediocre as super hero movies.

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Not surprisingly, you missed the depth and nuance of Jaws.... the character interplay which makes it so much more than the simple monser movie you saw.

Town economic leaders vs. citizens who want revenge on the shark
You've got Quint & his personal obsession, Ahab-like vs. the shark.
Hooper & Quint who know stuff about the sea vs. Brody the land lubber.
Quint the old salt fisherman vs. Hooper the college boy.
Quint vs. Brody - Despite Brody being sheriff, Quint is Captain & in charge of the boat.
Brody & Quint the locals vs. the rich out of towner Hooper.
Brody & Hooper who have just a little bit of decorum vs. Quint the sailor; coarse blue collar veteran.

In the end all the men bond on the boat while getting sh*t faced drunk in pursuit of a unified quest culminating in one of the best monologues ever written (Hat tip Milius).

Yeah the shark kinda sucked, but it was the 70's & not an easy thing to make. But the movie was bad ass even before the shark showed up.

"De gustibus non est disputandum"

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In fact the absence of the shark due to technical difficulties in filming added to the overall tension of it all. It really worked in their favor such that once the shark showed up you didn't care what it looked like or how realistic it was.

That movie was hands down terrifying to everyone at the time. And as an 11 year old who sat in the theater alone (single seats only once we got in) I can tell you it haunted me for years.

The fact that shortly after seeing it my parents sent me to Boy Scout camp on the coast of Korea (dad was stationed in Seoul) in the Yellow Sea which was infested with various sharks only added to my panic. The first day of camp they got us on the beach and explained the buddy system and we practiced. Then we went swimming. I never got deeper than mid thigh. And sure enough there was a hammerhead shark sighting within 15 minutes and the warning sounded. I can't even describe the level of panic in that group of boys and the buddy system was a complete failure. It was every scout for himself and I got out in mere microseconds and was halfway up the beach before I dared to stop running.

Anyway. I digress.

Years later with my 10 year old and 13 year old on a trip to S. Padre I introduced my kids to that movie - paybacks a *****.

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Jaws had such an effect on me, growing up in Lake Jackson with frequent trips to the beach before I saw that movie. After, I think I went to the beach twice, and only got ankle deep into the water.

Good point about the difficulties with the mechanical shark contributing to movie's overall tension. The same can be said about Aliens, with it's total screen time roughly 4 minutes out of a 2 hr run time.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Jaws wasn't that good of a movie. Lot's of blockbusters are mediocre.

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As usual your opinion on this board is flat out wrong.

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Nope..

It's a MONSER movie. Those go in the same bucket of mediocre as super hero movies.

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Yet you list a summer blockbuster monster movie for the 1990s.

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Which one? Jurassic Park? Silence of the Lambs? Neither of those are monster movies.

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Jurassic Park can certainly be classified as a monster movie, especially if we're going to consider a great white shark a monster.

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I will grant that the sequels are nothing more than monster movies. But the first one is not. A big part of the first one is about the science in creating them and all of that. The T-rex doesn't even break out of it's cage until; the 2nd hour of the movie. Prior to that it's all about DNA, and all of that crap. On top of that, once it goes into "monster mode" the movie is nowhere near as good.

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The Silence of the Lambs would be a different kind of monster, but that's not the title I was pointing to.

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Just because there is a murderer in the show doesn't make it a monster movie. To me, a monster movie is one where literally the ONLY plotline is a monster(s) of some sort chasing the protagonists. Like Godzilla, the Blob, those flying Piranha movies, etc. Jaws falls squarely in that catagory.

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The freak in The Silence of the Lambs, or Hannibal Lecter, are not monsters in the typical sense, granted, but you do know that man is capable of truly monstrous acts of horror.

Monster movies are my earliest memories of watching movies. It was a thing between me and my dad. Quality was very rarely there, but when it was, it could be fantastic. Of the long list of monster movies I have seen, Alien, John Carpenter's The Thing, Aliens, Jaws, Jurassic Park, and The Thing From Another World are the best.

You are right that there is a lot going on in Jurassic Park that does not directly involve the dinosaurs. Same with The Thing, which you mentioned earlier. You can say the same about Aliens. But at the end of the day, these movies ultimately end up with some big thing, typically with lots of teeth, chasing people. Often killing people. The monster does not have to be a slimy reptilian thing or a shape shifting single cell organism to qualify as a monster. It can be a shark that has developed a taste for people or extinct creatures with lots of big teeth. That great white literally stalked the SS Orca, much like the xenomorph stalked Ripley into the freaking escape shuttle. In JP, once the velociraptors got loose, they were clearly hunting down the kids and then the scientist types.

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I think, the problem here is our differing definitions of a"Monster Movie". When I think of a monster movie, I think of Godzilla (the old Japanese ones), or The Blob, and whatnot. Ones where the monster is the ENTIRE plot.

Then there are movie WITH monsters in it. Which I consider movies like The Thing and the original Jurassic Park to be. Where fleeing from monsters is not the point at all.

To me, equating them is like calling The Cabin in the Woods a "horror film", when it is so much more than that. Movies like Friday the 13th aren't in the same sport as that movie, nevermind ballpark.

We have a silence of the lambs poster up in the media room. One of my precocious kids is constantly obsessed with watching it despite being told she's not ready for it. One night we decided to let her watch the first 10 minutes (skipping Migs' gift). She freaked the eff out just LOOKING at Lecter in his cell. Another parenting genius move accomplished.

The Original Houston 1836 said:

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We have a silence of the lambs poster up in the media room. One of my precocious kids is constantly obsessed with watching it despite being told she's not ready for it. One night we decided to let her watch the first 10 minutes (skipping Migs' gift). She freaked the eff out just LOOKING at Lecter in his cell. Another parenting genius move accomplished.

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My daughter was the same way - and a theater kid - so I let her watch it finally at 16 years old I think. Maybe making her watch Jaws so young had an effect but she isn't freaked out by stuff. That combined with being an acting/theater person she looks at movies from a different perspective.

She was thrilled by Silence of the Lambs really. The acting, screenplay, etc. More of a reaction to the film than to the horror aspect. The way the final basement scene was done for example. But she also then wanted to join the FBI. lol

A few years later on home from college for a break she wanted to watch Se7en with me. Her reaction after a few years of acting/film/theater school was incredible. The mood, lighting, colors, style, etc... just blew her away. She couldn't stop talking about it and was mesmerized during. Even the ending scene. I think she is immune to the shock aspects due to her background and watches movies differently than an average person.

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Amadeus

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Amadeus is fantastic but I always think of these line of jokes from Last Action Hero

The Original Houston 1836 said:

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We have a silence of the lambs poster up in the media room. One of my precocious kids is constantly obsessed with watching it despite being told she's not ready for it. One night we decided to let her watch the first 10 minutes (skipping Migs' gift). She freaked the eff out just LOOKING at Lecter in his cell. Another parenting genius move accomplished.

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Even real life Jodie Foster was scared of Anthony Hopkins. Apparently it started at the table read, as he read it in character. Then, it took so long to bolt his ass in that glass room, that she never really saw him until they acted out the scene. She apparently finally told him on the lasts day of shooting.