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Kurt Cobain's death

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I've often wondered if his death was actually a suicide. Anyone here have strong beliefs one way or the other over if he was murdered or took his own life?
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Belton Ag
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Who would have murdered him and why?
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We all know who got away with it.
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Thinking at the time turned to Courtney Love for various motives from a potential divorce, and control over his estate.

I'll try to find it, but I believe there was also a previous police report of domestic violence against her.
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Belton Ag said:

Who would have murdered him and why?


He was planning on divorcing Love. He also was planning on doing one more album with the rest of Nirvana then disband as he wanted to work on other projects. They actually recorded a song but with no lyrics a few days prior to his death, the recording is in Butch Vig's safe. The guy took a lethal dose of heroin yet somehow awkwardly shot himself in the mouth with a shotgun. It's an interesting rabbit hole.
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He sang that he don't have a gun, so maybe it wasn't suicide.
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Plus the suicide was written in someone else's handwriting. There were some song lyrics in his handwriting but the only part about dying or whatever was written by someone else. And like said above, he had enough heroin in his body to kill a horse. He wasn't writing notes or loading and shooting a shotgun.
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My only strong belief is that you know you are a cultural phenomen when there's a conspiracy theory built up around you.
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I don't believe he killed himself. There's a lot of evidence to raise concerns he might have been murdered.
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TXAG 05 said:

Plus the suicide was written in someone else's handwriting. There were some song lyrics in his handwriting but the only part about dying or whatever was written by someone else. And like said above, he had enough heroin in his body to kill a horse. He wasn't writing notes or loading and shooting a shotgun.


There is so much there. The hand writing point is bizarre. I believe Nirvana's contract was going to be completed with Sub Pop after the fourth album was released and Cobain had already told David Geffen he was not signing a new deal. Love apparently was friends with people on the Seattle PD. There were nine figures worth of money tied to Cobain staying married and staying at Sub Pop. And to make it stranger the man rumored to have killed Cobain got run over by a train…
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

TXAG 05 said:



And to make it stranger the man rumored to have killed Cobain got run over by a train…


Regular or "damned ol'"?
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has to be regular because he didnt get runned over
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Quote:

There were nine figures worth of money tied to Cobain staying married and staying at Sub Pop.
How many figures of money were tied to the gravy train being dead?

Murdering him doesn't seem to advance either goal of keeping him married or keeping him under contract at Sub Pop.
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It is not out of the ordinary for abusive spouses that are being left to off the spouse that is leaving.
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JJxvi said:


Quote:

There were nine figures worth of money tied to Cobain staying married and staying at Sub Pop.
How many figures of money were tied to the gravy train being dead?


Murdering him doesn't seem to advance either goal of keeping him married or keeping him under contract at Sub Pop.


His estate has made $20-$30 million a year for 30 years now. Sub Pop has made millions every year on Nirvana with him dead. Say Nirvana left and did not re-sign in 1995 that means zero money for Sub Pop.
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Which seems more probable
- Courtney Love is smart enough to pull off killing someone and making it look enough like a suicide that she gets away with it
- Kurt is a depressed dude fighting addiction and in a manic low decides to end it all and escape the cycle of misery
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I'm a bad Gen Xer because I didn't care when he killed himself. I learned that he was a heroin addict and thought "what a stupid MFer." I was 22 and naive enough to think that my generation had learned something from all of the people who had overdosed before us.

I can remember spending that Friday night at a party in Dallas and everyone was glued to the TV watching MTV News coverage of it It was a Pike party, and everyone was drinking Mickey's Malt Liquor. They were unusual for an SMU frat (a couple of high school friends were members).

And anyone who thinks Courtney Love could possibly have pulled off his murder needs to youtube Courtney Love.
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dabo man said:

I'm a bad Gen Xer because I didn't care when he killed himself. I learned that he was a heroin addict and thought "what a stupid MFer." I was 22 and naive enough to think that my generation had learned something from all of the people who had overdosed before us.

I can remember spending that Friday night at a party in Dallas and everyone was glued to the TV watching MTV News coverage of it It was a Pike party, and everyone was drinking Mickey's Malt Liquor. They were unusual for an SMU frat (a couple of high school friends were members).

And anyone who thinks Courtney Love could possibly have pulled off his murder needs to youtube Courtney Love.


You don't have to be a super genius to hire a hitman.
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There is a documentary about this out there somewhere. I remembered that the room above the garage where he was found had been locked from the inside which discouraged the thought of foul play.
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What did he know about the Clintons?
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Cliff.Booth said:

Which seems more probable
- Courtney Love is smart enough to pull off killing someone and making it look enough like a suicide that she gets away with it
- Kurt is a depressed dude fighting addiction and in a manic low decides to end it all and escape the cycle of misery


This. It's not interesting. He had major, major issues. Prone to massive depression. Debilitating stomach pain. A previous serious suicide attempt. Went the pill route, that didn't work. Went for certainty this time.

And she had way too many issues of her own to pull it off and keep it perfectly quiet. Too many junkies with loose lips. I don't buy the conspiracy. You know where else there is $$$? Selling conspiracy theories.
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Plenty of loose lips have been associated with the situation. Police, friends, etc.
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So the genius plan was to kill Kurt, so he couldn't put out anymore music on a different label.

, therefore making his previous efforts all the more valuable.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Cliff.Booth said:

Which seems more probable
- Courtney Love is smart enough to pull off killing someone and making it look enough like a suicide that she gets away with it
- Kurt is a depressed dude fighting addiction and in a manic low decides to end it all and escape the cycle of misery


This. It's not interesting. He had major, major issues. Prone to massive depression. Debilitating stomach pain. A previous serious suicide attempt. Went the pill route, that didn't work. Went for certainty this time.

And she had way too many issues of her own to pull it off and keep it perfectly quiet. Too many junkies with loose lips. I don't buy the conspiracy. You know where else there is $$$? Selling conspiracy theories.


Agreed.
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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

Plenty of loose lips have been associated with the situation. Police, friends, etc.


I think this has been mostly folks looking to make a quick buck selling conspiracy, which was my last point. Anything with actual legs goes somewhere, but none of it has any actual legs. We love a good conspiracy. So it's an easy way to make a few bucks selling an insider take, get some clicks, or get attention in some way to further your personal interest
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Suicide. Tried weeks previously by overdosing in rome. Left a baby girl behind.
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I thought it was well known that Kurt never actually died and is living on an island off the coast of Peru with Tupac and Biggie.
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Honestly, I am way more fascinated with the psychology of conspiracy theorists than most of the theories themselves. Sometimes bad, random, seemingly pointless things happen, trying to assign them meaning or blame is a wasted exercise. But it seems necessary for some.
If you read the actual info from the case and not the click bait stuff, there's almost zero doubt as to what happened and why.
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Elvis did it
DannyDuberstein
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oragator said:

Honestly, I am way more fascinated with the psychology of conspiracy theorists than most of the theories themselves. Sometimes bad, random, seemingly pointless things happen, trying to assign them meaning or blame is a wasted exercise. But it seems necessary for some.
If you read the actual info from the case and not the click bait stuff, there's almost zero doubt as to what happened and why.


Same. I think it mostly shows that the human race is ******ed and we are ultimately ****ed
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