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***Only Murders In The Building Season 5***

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Started filming a few months ago so there isn't a release date yet, but I am getting this thread up because the cast is crazy. They added Renee Zellweger, Keegan-Michael Key, and somehow, Christopher Walz. Plus Tea Leoni is back after her cameo last year, and I saw reports of Bobby Carnivale as well.
I am just trying to imagine what they do with Walz.

https://deadline.com/2025/03/only-murders-in-the-building-renee-zellweger-season-5-1236351222/
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This reminds me that I never finished season 4. I kind of lost interest, but I may pick it back up.
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Season 5 trailer dropped - this is absolutely loaded.

The usual main cast with Meryl and Da'Vine and Richard Kind and Nathan Lane all returning plus Michael Cyril Creighton of course (Howard) and Lester the (dead) doorman in flashbacks. And the three actors playing them Eva Longoria, Eugene Levy, Zach Galifianakis.

But the new cast is nuts - we knew about Tea Leoni but wow check this out:

Tea Leoni: as Sofia Caccimelio
Beanie Feldstein
Bobby Cannavale: as Nicky Caccimelio
Logan Lerman
Christoph Waltz - are you kidding me I had not heard that
Rene Zellweger
Keegan-Michael Key
Dianne Wiest
Jermaine Fowler

Sep 9 on Hulu




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Captain Winky said:

This reminds me that I never finished season 4. I kind of lost interest, but I may pick it back up.

I didn't finish season 4, either. Eva Longoria's character was too annoying.

Thought about picking it back up but not sure. Maybe if I can't find anything else to watch.
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I really hope they do a call back to the first season, and Sting has been behind all the murders the whole time. Something like he wants total control of the building or something.
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I've always found it weird that one of the most expensive buildings in Manhattan is also one of the most dangerous and crime ridden.
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Meh, I quit watching when I saw Amy Schumer back in season 2...lol
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Love this show. As long as Steve Martin and Martin Short are in it, I'm in
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AgTrip said:

Meh, I quit watching when I saw Amy Schumer back in season 2...lol


You've missed a lot, then.
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AgTrip said:

Meh, I quit watching when I saw Amy Schumer back in season 2...lol

Mistake - she was barely relevant or onscreen.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

AgTrip said:

Meh, I quit watching when I saw Amy Schumer back in season 2...lol

Mistake - she was barely relevant or onscreen.


This is true, no need to talk about it any longer. I award you 1 star.
The preeminent authority on Texags debates.
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Happy Only Murders Day to those who celebrate
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Yeah I didn't even realize, three episode premiere today.
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Well I watched all three last night. Thought about pacing myself but could not stop of course once I started.

I'll block spoilers....

1st episode - was really great, so good to have them back and I love how there was no real delay in getting into it. they pretty much immediately suspected foul play. some great little comedic bits and interplay of course. Loved the part at the Godfather house in Staten Island heck I was thinking that as they traveled there and was thrilled they included it. Her sons over the top Italian stereotypes were a riot especially once it was revealed they were just putting on an act.

2nd episode - the flashbacks were just great, loved seeing the young versions of everyone and lot of back story

3rd episode - bogged down a little with too much time spent on the autopsy and Charles visions and the absurd process of returning the body to the cleaners but overall still liked it. At least it moved the story along. I love the entire underground casino concept. Hidden right beneath their noses all the time and dating back to prohibition days and old NYC corruption.

I have my suspicions already but I'll withhold for now.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

I've always found it weird that one of the most expensive buildings in Manhattan is also one of the most dangerous and crime ridden.


One thing I've learned from tv is rich places have a lot of murders. For years, Santa Barbara had at least one murder every week over the summer, and usually another one around Christmas.

Anyways, you'll be happy to know they no longer refer to the building as the Arcadia. Everyone in season 4 is just calling it The Murder Building.

I'm really loving season 4 so far. My only complaint is both episodes 2 and 3 ended with someone only a few feet away from finding the crew in a bad situation, only to have the next episode start with them escaping in a laughably easy way. They could have put a little more thought into those escapes. Beyond that, it has been a great season so far
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I really enjoyed episode 4. Just a crazy eclectic group of actors and characters. And I guess it was AI to bring Regis back?
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oragator said:

I really enjoyed episode 4. Just a crazy eclectic group of actors and characters. And I guess it was AI to bring Regis back?


I assumed they found an old clip of Steve Martin on Regis and Kathie Lee, and then just dubbed in new audio.
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Haven't watched the new ep yet, but almost everything Christoph Waltz said to Steve Martin in the kitchen in ep 4 had me cracking up. Really enjoying the over the top characters this season.
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Episode 6: Merly doing voices.
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She's so fun to watch because you can tell it takes like 2 percent of her acting ability, it's nothing for her. So she light and relaxed, and then the obvious chemistry with MS makes it even better,
I'm not a big fan of what they have done with Martin this season, but a minor quibble on another solid year.
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Interesting stuff this last episode.

Obviously suspicion now falls on the billionaires again but I think there is something else going on here. I think it's a red herring.

SPOILERS OF A SORT BELOW - NOT REALLY SPOILERS AS IT IS JUST A THEORY - BUT STOP READING IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ THEORIES
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While Bash undoubtedly has cameras everywhere and is manipulating Charles I think the real reason behind their involvement is the casino not the murder or murders. I think him editing the video is just to make the crimes appear innocent to avoid any scrutiny or publicity.

There was a bit of a throwawy moment in this episode that I think sheds light on the underlying plot for the billionaires. Every season we have a side plot of something going on that is really a different crime or plot at least like the jewelry theft plot in season one with Teddy and Zoe's death, the Dudenoff plot and the Westies, the side plot of the oklahoma mystery which did tie back in of course, the theater mysteries, etc.

Well when Oliver and Loretta are trailing the wives in Flatbush they are approached by a guy on the street first mentioning saving dogs from being killed but then it turns out he is trying to stop a casino from being opened in the city. That I think is the interest of the billionaires.

I think the Arconia may have some long secret grandfathered exemption to operate the casino there and the billionaires know it. Residents have mentioned lots of tenants selling and moving out recently and seemingly that is because of the murders. But really I think the billionaires are buying up those units and intend to make the Arconia into an operating casino resort. The decorator billionaire wants to remodel it all and turn it into an upscale hotel and they together want to operate a full blown casino in the basement. A swanky high dollar elite boutique hotel and casino for rich clientele. And the mayor is involved as he knows about this exemption as well and can somehow make sure they don't hit any roadblocks with getting it operating. So the offer for Olivers apartment is also part of this - some shadow company they will find out is also the billionaires. And buying them out and their podcast is also just to keep any scrutiny under wraps and not public.

I have some theories about the fingers too but it's not all that central to the plot either although it will of course reveal someone's involvement later.

Nicky was killed of course and it is related to the mob stuff, have not figured that all out yet. But I think the above is the misdirection to keep us (and the trio) distracted for now.

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^well I had that right in a lot of ways......

at least the decorator billionaire's plan

Ok so the thing that hit me in this last episode is the names of Bash's two relations.

Alge given name is Algernon
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Romy the mayor's assistant is his niece he said


There is a book titled Flowers for Algernon. Written in 1959 by Daniel Keyes it's about a lab rat modified to increase his intelligence and the first human subject Charlie.

And Romy is the name of the the genetically-created lab mouse clone in Pinky and The Brain, whose dad The Brain is a megalomaniac mouse that wants to take over the world (like Bash).

So Bash could have named them after these lab rats if he was using him as guinea pig for his experiments. I think. we will find both are genetically altered. Something like that. Both are certainly odd and Romy is very efficient the mayor has said.

But I'm also suspicious of this new medication Charles is taken given the above reference to Charlie being the first human subject in Flowers for Argenon. Could Bash have arranged it to observe the effects on Charles maybe some anti aging medication and not testosterone. I think he said it was some trial even so does not have to be FDA approved.

Of course the finger comes into all of this as I think he is using his technology to replace digits, another early experiment. So nobody is missing a finger except the other billionaire, because whoever's finger that is has already regrown it or had it replaced however that works. The mayor has a suspicious ring on his left index finger maybe hiding a seam where it was attached. Bash does too. And we never see the decorators fingers she is always wearing gloves. The other guy lost his but it was from a different hand. I bet by the end of the season he has that finger back and the bandages removed.



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Alright a fullblown theory i saw after episode 7....spoilers in case it is right....

Mayor Tillman is the murderer. And/or Romy in some way.

The mayor is being controlled by Bash as we know. He tried to insert himself in the investigation (as murderers do in this show especially) and he misdirected them to look into the billionaires. Romy keeps tabs on him for Bash of course and was either directing him, or simply covering for him at Bash's direction. I believe they also have control over Randall. Both Mayor Tillman and Randall may be missing a finger or had it replaced with a prosthetic. The mayor wears a weird ring on his left pointer finger that may cover the scar and Randall always wears gloves. the mayor also noticeably gasped when Charles shook that had at the restaurant. The mayor says that he's Bash's puppet (because Bash currently holds the finger!!)

Nicky caught wind of the billionaires agreement with the mayor and confronted the mayor over it. And the mayor killed him over it. The billionaires might have witnessed it but I think they just witnessed a confrontation and not the murder (plausible deniability) and after the fact they just don't want publicity so keeping it under wraps by editing the video, etc..

As for "the ****ing doorman" it still may be Lester- he told Sofia about the event at the Arconia that night, and possibly Camilla trying to manipulate Nicky. Lester was trying to save the Arconia, and he thought the best way was to get Nicky out of helping the billionaires was to let Sofia know - she may pull the real strings in the family. Nicky and Camilla working together was misconstrued as cheating by Sofia.

I think that Randall was helping the mayor in some capacity so he hid the elevator crank for him. But I don't think he killed Lester or Nicky. But a classic misdirect to end the episode with Randall there but we did not really see him do anything other than grab the elevator crank.

So somehow it is all revealed of course and the casino is quashed so Camilla has no reason to take over the rest of the apartments as she cannot open a casino there.

OH I FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART:

Lesters last text was "It's beautiful". But he was trying to type "It's Beau Tillman" the mayor and as he was escaping in a hurry it got autcorrected to "It's beautiful". although I'm not sure how they would discover that - maybe just the viewers see it.

Or I could be way off - but thats what makes this show fun


Ladies Night was certainly full of great performances by the ladies.- Da'Vine Joy Randolph was amazing as were Meryl Streep as the eastern euro psychic, Renee Zelwegger was so good, and Dianne Wiest as Lesters wife. And Selena looked stunning and had some great lines too. No Tea Leoni but I bet she has a lot in the final 2 episodes.

Did you catch Meryl's little impersonation of Camilla - so good?


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Another possibility. This is more my theory. I used spoiler bars on the other thing i posted as it was nt mine and I never know if it was actually some leak....

But this is just purely my speculation so no spoilers. Just theory. Unless I'm right but I'm never totlly right usually only partially right.



Everyone was teamed up. We know Nicky and Camila were. So I think maybe Bash and the Mayor were another team. And finally Jay and Sofia. That may be who she was having an affair with OR simply it was mistaken for an affair and it was business.

Now I think Camila made up everything in the last episode to throw them off the track. An unreliable narrator. Because I don't think she fell for the eastern euro gambit at all. In fact I think she invited The' knowing she would invite Mabel and the rest of them. And she knew who Loretta was - remember she saw a picture of Oliver and his wife Loretta when she was in his apartment earlier in the season. So when they suggest the blackjack game she knows it is ruse and plays along - remember earlier she talked about playing a different game than your opponent and always being s step ahead. So she let it lay out and lost knowing it was a setup. And she fed them false information when they thought she was vulnerable from losing and being on tilt.

Now what happened the night of the deaths - I think both Lester and Nicky died that night. Lester was security and surveillance. The 5 of them Bash, Jay, Camila, the Mayor and Nicky were there. Sofia was not. Nicky may also know how to manipulate cards after years of working scams. He was dealing a game as part of the competition to see who got the casino and he stacked the deck against Bash and Jay for Camila to win. Only he gets caught and the Mayor confronts him. He chops off the Mayors finger with a cleaver and in retaliation the Mayor kills Nicky.

But Lester saw what happened and knows it was the mayor. Somebody hit him with the elevator crank, probably also the mayor or Romy. He is running away trying to not get killed and he uses the bird call to get the cameras recording in the courtyard and then tries to text that "It's Beau Tillman" but his phone auto corrects to "It's Beautiful". He slips and falls into the fountain hitting his head and he dies from the combined injuries. Randall finds it but does not know about Nicky too and hides it in the office to frame Nicky who he thinks killed Lester to frame him.

Now they have to cover this up. Jay tells Sofia what happened and as cover she comes searching for her missing husband at the Arconia innocently. Bash is able to medically get the mayor a replacement finger or prosthetic that looks very real and the ring covers the scars. They take Nicky and hide his body in one of Bash's cryo chambers like we saw at the mansion. And bring it back to the cleaners later and pay off the cops.

The kid Algie was with Bash that night - we can see he tries to be with him as much as possible and never miss bedtime as he said at one point. So with this late night casino game he brings him. Only he stays with Lester upstairs. He wants to go to the casino but Lester won't let him and he carves Lester Must Die or whatever it said in the table in the staff room. Randall is just covering for himself now when he says he carved it as maybe the billionaires got to him as part of the entire coverup.

And unrelated but starting to think The' will be the next death.

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Names are always a clue and have meaning related to the murder

S1 - Jan Bellows - meaning to blow air, played the bassoon, the bassoon cleaner was a major clue, the bassoon was a clue in episode 1 in Tim Kono's death as Jan used a recording as an alibis

S2 - Becky Butler/Poppy - the Butler did it, in the first closing credit wee see a bunny (victim) wrapped in a covering that shows an image of a poppy, poppy sitting under the poster that says where is becky butler,

S3 - Donna/Cliff - Belladonna is a poisonous plant which is how Ben was first almost killed and Cliff pushed him off a literal cliff in the elevator shaft, many references to falls in the theater, shows that tanked, and The Producers a show that was tanked on purpose, lots of mother/son references with Loretta and Dickie

S4 - Marshall P. Pope sounds like peephole and there was a lot of spying going on, fly on the wall references, etc. and references to a hidden identity and disguises like the stuntman Glen Stubbins

So always a unique name and references to a theme of sorts that plays on a clue or the identity. But there are always other unique names and misdirections too.

S5 the only names I come up with that could reference something like a clue or theme are:

Bash - could be a reference to the way someone was murdered like Lester with the elevator crank

Rainey - Lorraine - but no idea how it would relate except the watr in the fountain but that has not been a focus

Nicky Caccimelio - loosely translates as a hunter of a relic or heirloom, like maybe a finger? but he is a victim so likely not our killer of lester either

Mayor Beau Tilllman - could refer to both a boyfriend (beau) so possibly Sofia's supposed affair and Tillman could refer to someone who holds the till or the bank in a casino like operation.

I think it's the mayor. Yes I realize this is my third post fingering (or pointing to - like a missing finger reference) the mayor. I guess I'm all in on the mayor theory.

Romy - oh I should mention Romy is like a close anagram for mayor. Interesting.


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Just about given up trying to predict this show - they give so many red herrings now and so little actual clues. Which I understand. But I'll make a few predictions still:

  • I'm sticking with the mayor Beau Tillman being the murderer of Nicky at least. The "It's Beautiful" being auto correct just makes so much sense to me.
  • Still think Lester was killed sort of accidentally - originally I thought by Romy but now I'm thinking either by LESTR the robot who was following him or my third possibility is Nonna on her scooter (and maybe it was being controlled by someone else). That last episode showing her maneuvering freely when LESTR had to be carried into the dry cleaners makes me think she has back passages.
  • I think Jay Pfulg has a redemption arc for sure but still won't end up with Mabel for some reason.
  • I don't think the billionaires did anything it was all about the casino and maybe misunderstandings with NIcky and/or Lester and their cover up is just to protect their business interests.
  • i think the next victim is either The' or Cinda Canning as a wild card out of the blue.
  • I have no idea about the finger really except it is maybe just a prop, or maybe a red herring in that it is important to maybe program something (think LESTR and the fingerprint identification) or open a safe.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

Just about given up trying to predict this show - they give so many red herrings now and so little actual clues. Which I understand. But I'll make a few predictions still:

  • I'm sticking with the mayor Beau Tillman being the murderer of Nicky at least. The "It's Beautiful" being auto correct just makes so much sense to me.
  • Still think Lester was killed sort of accidentally - originally I thought by Romy but now I'm thinking either by LESTR the robot who was following him or my third possibility is Nonna on her scooter (and maybe it was being controlled by someone else). That last episode showing her maneuvering freely when LESTR had to be carried into the dry cleaners makes me think she has back passages.
  • I think Jay Pfulg has a redemption arc for sure but still won't end up with Mabel for some reason.
  • I don't think the billionaires did anything it was all about the casino and maybe misunderstandings with NIcky and/or Lester and their cover up is just to protect their business interests.
  • i think the next victim is either The' or Cinda Canning as a wild card out of the blue.
  • I have no idea about the finger really except it is maybe just a prop, or maybe a red herring in that it is important to maybe program something (think LESTR and the fingerprint identification) or open a safe.



So I was sorta right - it was Beau but he killed Lester not Nicky but the text part was correct.

Basically correct about Jay too - some redemption but out of the picture.

Correct about the billionaires basically as they did not do anything really except cover it up.

And my wild card next victim was right - Cinda - I really believed it was going to be The' though.

Missed on the finger - except that it really did have no meaning to the plot at all - still sort of just a plot device. But I had mentioned the ring on the mayor earlier.

Well a decent season. I'm still a fan. Overall probably the 3rd best season:

S1
S4
S5
S2
S3




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There are so many small Easter eggs in this show. Like Howard's group chat with them was Jack Janet and Chrissy. Half the viewing audience likely didn't even know who they were, but it's the perfect call back for this show.
As for the season overall, it was OK. Credit to ZJS above for largely getting it, but it still seemed to come out of right field a bit for me. But lots of great gags and other references. I just wasn't a fan of what they did to a Charles character wise or how they toned Oliver down some. But still enjoyable.

Next season in London should be fun.
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There are so many small Easter eggs in this show. Like Howard's group chat with them was Jack Janet and Chrissy. Half the viewing audience likely didn't even know who they were, but it's the perfect call back for this show.
As for the season overall, it was OK. Credit to ZJS above for largely getting it, but it still seemed to come out of right field a bit for me. But lots of great gags and other references. I just wasn't a fan of what they did to a Charles character wise or how they toned Oliver down some. But still enjoyable.

Next season in London should be fun.


Yeah agree on most everything you said. And I did notice the Jack Janet and Chrissy and laughed. Tons of easter eggs.

I think they have to try to come out of right field a bit otherwise it's too easily solved with a few million internet sleuths scrutinizing every hint and clue. Gotta put in some red herrings too.

Interesting with a few new Arconia residents - The' of course and now Lorraine. And with 51% selling out they can bring in any other new ones they want.

I expect London to be an episode or two sidetrack kinda like LA was. But could be a lot of fun.

They managed to even make an inside joke out of the murder happening "in the building" with a literal last gasp from the victim - who maybe heard Howard while dying.

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