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Rick Beato takes a look at how easy it is to create fake artists and AI songs today. With a handful of prompts, he generates a new indie/rock singer and two singles.

It's either amazing or terrifying, depending on your point of view.

To be honest, the songs were much better than I expected. Not necessarily my cup of tea, but I could definitely see how someone with a little more skill at writing prompts -- and willing to take a little more time -- could generate something that would resonate with the masses.

EclipseAg
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The first comment under the video?

"I wish I knew this was AI before I got a lower back tattoo of Eli Mercer."

Dang that's funny.
AggieOO
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He has another video where he breaks down and AI band that has several hundred thousand streams on Spotify.
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I saw this one today. He's spot on about Spotify. They are making money on this. I'm glad YouTube took a stand.

The song he made was surprisingly good. It could make money.
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I downloaded a couple of funny AI songs from Banned Vinyl, definitely NSFW if you listen
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Very impressive and scary at the same time. Not my style of music but can still see how it can quickly drown out actual artist who make their own music.

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Like with visual art, if you can't tell the difference, it doesn't matter. There is a time and a place for art where it really doesn't matter if AI makes it, and it makes sense to be produced for free rather than costing you hundreds or thousands. There will now be a time and a place for AI music, but it won't replace the kinds of music humans produce, played on actual instruments, sung in our voices. It's bad news for artists who have been making the kind of art or music that is simple for AI to make as good or better (generic graphic design) (generic digital beats).
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AI really makes me uncomfortable. We now have all information at our disposal but you can't tell what is real anymore.
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Yeah, it's going to **** things up these next 10-20 years on a scale that will make the authenticity of art/music not among our top 100 concerns.
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I swear on everything I hold dear to me, I cannot tell the difference between that first song he generated and about 90% of the pop country most of the people around me go nuts for and have for years and years.

AI and it's impact is sobering. Anyone who put into real intellectual thought into it at its inception knew humanity was going to bull rush in with the only consideration being profit. And I was sure that the arts would be the first and most heavily impacted area right off the bat.

Remember when we used to laugh at all the horrible AI imaging and its awful hands and lettering and fakeness? What was that? Like only two years ago? And now we are getting some images that I have to STRAIN to tell that they are fake and only reason I do is because I know they are in the first place. Where will we be in another two years? Five? Ten?

Really hard to not be pessimistic about this whole thing.
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Plain White T's been real quiet since The Velvet Sundown hit the scene
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Milli Vanilli thinks it's lazy
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Cliff.Booth said:

There will now be a time and a place for AI music, but it won't replace the kinds of music humans produce, played on actual instruments, sung in our voices

It's a shame then that we've nearly abandoned making music on actual instruments and singing without the assistance of auto tune. We're getting exactly what we deserve here.

Our most popular artists today don't play instruments, write their own songs, and can't sing. They are pretty much AI already.
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Eliminatus said:

I swear on everything I hold dear to me, I cannot tell the difference between that first song he generated and about 90% of the pop country most of the people around me go nuts for and have for years and years.

That was my first thought. That song sounded like the same song I have heard at the Houston Rodeo midway through the concert every year.
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Only a matter of time before all the Only Fans THOTS and similar are completely out of a job, unless they want to start actually banging incels for money. I already see tons of marketing ads that use AI people instead of real models.
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Eliminatus said:

I swear on everything I hold dear to me, I cannot tell the difference between that first song he generated and about 90% of the pop country most of the people around me go nuts for and have for years and years.


Exactly.

Aside from a few tiny lyrical issues on a couple of the songs, they sound exactly like something on Sirius/XM's The Highway.

A Nashville songwriter could clean that up in a heartbeat and with a few musical flourishes added via ProTools, have a massive hit.
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And then we have stuff like deathpixie - where there is this AI persona that acts as the artist while (supposedly) the actual music is still made by a human (or in this case I believe humans). Interesting to see deadmau5 have some somewhat contradictory comments about knowing about this. Hmmm

https://hit-channel.com/deathpixie-raise-your-weapon-mau5trap-2025/?amp=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/deadmau5/s/oHEVbnAWZN
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This is interesting. Most artist borrow and steal from other artists, but there's always something that is their own. With this, it will ALWAYS be 100% someone else.....in tiny pieces maybe....but always someone else.
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agdoc2001 said:

Cliff.Booth said:

There will now be a time and a place for AI music, but it won't replace the kinds of music humans produce, played on actual instruments, sung in our voices

It's a shame then that we've nearly abandoned making music on actual instruments and singing without the assistance of auto tune. We're getting exactly what we deserve here.

Our most popular artists today don't play instruments, write their own songs, and can't sing. They are pretty much AI already.

i think you are painting with a pretty broad brush here.
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As mentioned already it all sounds like the awful country fusion autotune crap that is taking over everything. Just for fun I made it make an 80s hard rock song about Texas A&M and it sounded like country autotune garbage.

It is a bit impressive but predictably algorithmic.
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Exhibits A & B



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Mr.Milkshake
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Humans imitate. Extremely rare to see anything original in any form of art. I doubt anyone could post anything made in any form of art in the last 20 years that didn't imitate something else. AI is just an extension of us.
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AggieOO said:

agdoc2001 said:

Cliff.Booth said:

There will now be a time and a place for AI music, but it won't replace the kinds of music humans produce, played on actual instruments, sung in our voices

It's a shame then that we've nearly abandoned making music on actual instruments and singing without the assistance of auto tune. We're getting exactly what we deserve here.

Our most popular artists today don't play instruments, write their own songs, and can't sing. They are pretty much AI already.

i think you are painting with a pretty broad brush here.


I disagree and likewise have no concern about being able to identify if an artist is AI or not because like most artists today, none of their songs are memorable.
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When AI starts producing everything, will AI just imitate other AI?
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Mr.Milkshake said:

Humans imitate. Extremely rare to see anything original in any form of art. I doubt anyone could post anything made in any form of art in the last 20 years that didn't imitate something else. AI is just an extension of us.


Well yeah, but humans imitating other humans is interesting. When you listen to Zeppelin you can guess at the blues/folk/rock they probably liked growing up, but what they mashed that together into is very distinctive, not entirely "unique", but their own.

AI being able to produce music is one thing, our bigger concern should collectively be doing anything possible to have our 12-21 year old sons meeting up in a garage again with their friends to jam. That initiative would produce a Renaissance of good rock music 5-10 years down the road that AI couldn't touch.
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This is where I think Cuban is right about AI sending people back out into the real world to interact with customers/fans/clients. Nothing will be trusted until seen and touched and experienced in-person.

I'll also add that I nerd out on music production and recording. The vocal chain on the music in that first video is almost unlistenable to me (which is common for me with country and pop). It's so compressed it's like nails on a chalkboard.
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Mr.Milkshake said:

I doubt anyone could post anything made in any form of art in the last 20 years that didn't imitate something else.

opeth, sleep token, blood incantation, vola, devin townsend, gorjia..

just a few off the top of my head.

Maybe this doesn't exist in pop, or country, or whatever you listen to, but this absolutely exists in metal.. As a metalhead of 30+ years, I am often astonished how I can continually discover new artists (some who have been around a long time) that sound like nothing I've heard before. Sure, you hear bits and pieces of influences, but I'm not talking about great van fleet being LZ 2.0.
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EclipseAg said:

Eliminatus said:

I swear on everything I hold dear to me, I cannot tell the difference between that first song he generated and about 90% of the pop country most of the people around me go nuts for and have for years and years.


Exactly.

Aside from a few tiny lyrical issues on a couple of the songs, they sound exactly like something on Sirius/XM's The Highway.

A Nashville songwriter could clean that up in a heartbeat and with a few musical flourishes added via ProTools, have a massive hit.

100%....Im convinced most of the artists are using this to write songs, and then just recording it themselves.

Think of all the artists who just purchase music from song writers. They dont care where it came from...they just want a hit.
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MonkeyKnifeFighter said:

Mr.Milkshake said:

I doubt anyone could post anything made in any form of art in the last 20 years that didn't imitate something else. AI is just an extension of us.

How could you say that when CRABCORE was only invented 17 years ago?




Or grindmother being under 10 years old.

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Not going to lie, that Suno app he's using is fun as hell to play with though.
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I work on research related to AI in healthcare and often use ai tools for background research and tasks. What scares me is its ability to emulate my own writing style and improve upon my scope on a given topic.

As AI is based / trained on what it has been fed or what it also has access to, I wonder at what point (if any) it could lose the creativity aspect if a massive AI-reliant society as a whole loses its creativity. Will it continue to surprise or wow us or will it level out?

I believe anyone younger than 30 will not develop their creativity acumen for original work / idea creation and at some point we will all suffer for it…

For my generation (mid-50's), it's a welcomed way to improve our body of work but even for me it's tempting to let it do the first steps in outlining or even fleshing out a topic. However, I feel the most satisfaction by having an AI tool outline a topic that I've researched followed by my own work and finalized with an AI review and edits.

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