LB12Diamond said:
But again
It was never "free speech"
They were using money to control speech.
And I have no problem with controlling speech that promotes violence. It's gone way past political speech.
Free speech doesn't mean money isn't involved
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Free speech doesn't mean money isn't involved
Okay, let's assume the FCC by the rulebook had a case. Let's think about it like a football game. This is an obscure rarely enforced penalty. every team does it. The referees are *supposed* to be unbiased. If you saw this flag thrown on the field in favor of your team, when you dang well know the referee has stuffed reveille in his bed, youd be happy for your team, but admit that it was a ticky tack call. On the other hand, if they called it against your team and he had a burnt orange living room, you'd be livid and calling for investigations.
LB12Diamond said:
But again
It was never "free speech"
They were using money to control speech.
And I have no problem with controlling speech that promotes violence. It's gone way past political speech.
Please quote exactly what Kimmel said that promoted violence.
"Free speech promoting violence"
If you cannot see that distinction. That's on you.
If you cannot see that distinction. That's on you.
What the FCC is arguing is dumb in my opinion. The vast majority of the outrage in this thread is performative and selective.
LB12Diamond said:
But again
It was never "free speech"
They were using money to control speech.
And I have no problem with controlling speech that promotes violence. It's gone way past political speech.
is... this a serious point?
do you know what "free" in the context of free speech means? at first I thought you were just making a clever joke, but now I am concerned.
Fenrir said:
Correct, the Biden white house didn't even pretend to go through a legal process to silence opinions they didn't agree with. What Trump is doing is more akin to what Obama did via the IRS. I'm sure everyone on this thread was adamantly opposed to that as well.
There was zero evidence after repeated investigations of deliberate targeting by the IRS. I know you don't believe that because you've been conditioned not to believe it, but there it is. Meanwhile we have the FCC commissioner outright threatening broadcasters whose speech does not align with the administration's position.
Fenrir said:
What the FCC is arguing is dumb in my opinion. The vast majority of the outrage in this thread is performative and selective.
totally dumb and politically motivated bullying. That's what half of the people in this thread are trying to say.
no one has said they like Kimmel or hate Kirk or anything like that... just that they think the FCC is out of line with the actions they took.
So you are cool with speech that promotes violence.
You be you.
You be you.
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
so you dont know the word "free" has multiple definitions?
LB12Diamond said:
So you are cool with speech that promotes violence.
You be you.
Once again, I'm asking you to quote what Kimmel said that promoted violence.
Deflection
swimmerbabe11 said:Fenrir said:
What the FCC is arguing is dumb in my opinion. The vast majority of the outrage in this thread is performative and selective.
totally dumb and politically motivated bullying. That's what half of the people in this thread are trying to say.
no one has said they like Kimmel or hate Kirk or anything like that... just that they think the FCC is out of line with the actions they took.
They're saying it because they feel their side is being targeted. They pretty much all shut the hell up when the shoe is on the other foot. The number of people in this thread that are actually in favor of preventing authoritarian bull**** can be counted on one hand if I had to guess.
Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
Making jokes about Kirk's assassination is promoting violence.
Wow
Wow
Fenrir said:
They're saying it because they feel their side is being targeted. They pretty much all shut the hell up when the shoe is on the other foot. The number of people in this thread that are actually in favor of preventing authoritarian bull**** can be counted on one hand if I had to guess.
I am a conservative. It was wrong then. it is wrong now.
if its only wrong when it hurts you, thats your lack of integrity speaking, not mine.
Sapper Redux said:Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
You're accusing me of being conditioned when you're expecting me to buy the "we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" argument? Ok. Meanwhile we know that Lerner destroyed evidence in the form of her phone and all of its contents. Sure, no deception occurred.
LB12Diamond said:
Making jokes about Kirk's assassination is promoting violence.
Wow
You honestly think making a joke about a subject is promoting that subject?
swimmerbabe11 said:Fenrir said:
They're saying it because they feel their side is being targeted. They pretty much all shut the hell up when the shoe is on the other foot. The number of people in this thread that are actually in favor of preventing authoritarian bull**** can be counted on one hand if I had to guess.
I am a conservative. It was wrong then. it is wrong now.
if its only wrong when it hurts you, thats your lack of integrity speaking, not mine.
Damn, would be nice if you directed that to the people in this thread that are inconsistent.
Sapper Redux said:Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
It's almost like someone wiped their server so it couldn't be investigated too. That's some selective memory you got there professor.
The reality is you haven't experienced actual fascism in your life and this doesn't remotely count. The Eastern European immigrants that grew up under it and moved here have been talking about it for decades, but they weren't worried about republicans. They've noted it with social justice and DEI, and have to be hushed in academic circles like the ones you're outspoken in. An inconvenient truth for your side.
So no, Kimmel losing his job isn't fascism. This isn't a big deal in the long run.
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
Ding ding ding.
This thread and all like it are all performative and selective.
Sapper Redux said:LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.
You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?
This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.
As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.
Fenrir said:Sapper Redux said:Fenrir said:
LMAO, zero evidence? That must be why they apologized and had a settlement.
https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/560308997/irs-apologizes-for-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups
But yes, I'm the conditioned one.
They admitted they screwed up in their process, but again, this was litigated to an insane extent with multiple investigations that found no deliberate targeting based on politics.
You're accusing me of being conditioned when you're expecting me to buy the "we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing" argument? Ok. Meanwhile we know that Lerner destroyed evidence in the form of her phone and all of its contents. Sure, no deception occurred.
So why did Trump's Justice Department decline to reopen an investigation of her?
htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
Maybe, but maybe not. If the FCC is supposed to police such things and didn't, would actual enforcement be bad? We live in the era of Kamala's edited interview and the aftermath. Perhaps this is indicative of the FCC taking its mission or partial mission seriously, and the people who lived most outside the lines now have to be accountable.
I'm not sold on the big bad fcc narrative yet.
javajaws said:Sapper Redux said:LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.
You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?
This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.
As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.
So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?
AGC said:htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
Maybe, but maybe not. If the FCC is supposed to police such things and didn't, would actual enforcement be bad? We live in the era of Kamala's edited interview and the aftermath. Perhaps this is indicative of the FCC taking its mission or partial mission seriously, and the people who lived most outside the lines now have to be accountable.
I'm not sold on the big bad fcc narrative yet.
Good lord. Yes, let's have the FCC micromanaging the editing of interviews and monologues of talkshow hosts. Funny how it's only cases that benefit Trump that are the problem here.
"the era of Kamala's edited interview"
Lmao
Lmao
Sapper Redux said:AGC said:htxag09 said:
This is a circular argument. The left isn't wrong, if abc would have pulled the show, that's life and consequences. The FCC pushing them to is bull*****
The right won't listen, and they aren't necessarily wrong about that either. The lefts screaming falls on pretty deaf ears when they only scream because it's the right pulling the strings. They have no issue when it's their own party encroaching on rights.
And until people stop caring so much about if it was a dem or rep who did it and care more about the actions done, this will always be a pointless argument.
Maybe, but maybe not. If the FCC is supposed to police such things and didn't, would actual enforcement be bad? We live in the era of Kamala's edited interview and the aftermath. Perhaps this is indicative of the FCC taking its mission or partial mission seriously, and the people who lived most outside the lines now have to be accountable.
I'm not sold on the big bad fcc narrative yet.
Good lord. Yes, let's have the FCC micromanaging the editing of interviews and monologues of talkshow hosts. Funny how it's only cases that benefit Trump that are the problem here.
So what is their purpose again? Just hand out licenses and check out? Or do they do more? Are they capable of doing more than one thing at a time? I'll hang up and listen…
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Sapper Redux said:javajaws said:Sapper Redux said:LB12Diamond said:
So what, I'm not getting into the politics of it. Both sides abuse their power.
I just like highlighting that Kimmel is a hack and it should be posted over and over.
"Both sides" don't use the FCC to litigate political speech they disagree with. One side does that.
You are exactly right. The left simply has to give their CEO a call and resolve the problem using the old leftist network for the most part. For more difficult cases they use other methods. Its all worked out well for them so far, so why change?
This whole argument about the right using just the threat of their license enforcement has you liberals in such an uproar you are totally blind to the RAGE people feel against the left for years of censorship and lies across the board. People are TIRED of it - tired to not care about the consequences because the consequences of doing NOTHING is far worse for us that are not on the left.
As someone who is more centrist than most conservatives its a painful thing to watch, but we're really helpless on this path the left has sent us down. And you're an idiot if you think conservatives will just keep sitting back and watch it happen - that's literal suicide at this point.
So you're saying the left uses social pressure therefore the right assumes it should use government coercion?
The white house calling social media companies and telling them to do things is not social pressure. That's an absurd claim.
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.
It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.
It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.
Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.
It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.
No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.
schmendeler said:Thunderstruck xx said:
So much misinformation in this thread. Good Lord. The FCC did not force ABC to fire Kimmel. There's no evidence of that! ABC MADE A BUSINESS DECISION.
It's pretty clear cut that there is no government involvement in silencing speech here. Kimmel is free to continue being a disgusting human being, just not on ABC's network. He's not going to prison or being executed for what he said.
No evidence except for multiple examples of the FCC chair explicitly and implicitly saying he influenced them. And the president saying that companies should lose their licenses.
You don't seem to understand the difference between the FCC and Trump stating their opinions versus actually taking action.
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