Sapper Redux said:
Sea Speed said:
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El Gallo Blanco said:
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El Gallo Blanco said:
Sea Speed said:
Haha yeah I am going to fact check that part about Benjamin Franklin learning about democracy from the Iraquois. It was probably their example, and not books like Plato's "The Republic" and other writings that influenced the founders to choose their form of government.
It's no wonder there seems to be an increasing trend of people believing that whites have never contributed anything to any society and that everything was either stolen, ripped off or built by "people of color". Wish we could just get facts straight up, but I fear it will only get worse. Academic fields like History are increasingly comprised of die hard devout progressives...Ken Burns is a right winger by comparison to many "historians" coming up.
Basically, we won't be able to trust anything in 10 yrs or less.
Do you only believe something if it reinforces what you want to think?
No, I just have a heavy distrust that progressives won't bend things like history/the truth to serve their agenda or appease their woke gods.
So that would be a yes. The history of the influence of the Iroquois on Franklin is not new or "woke." Franklin himself wrote about extensively. Believe it or not, history is more complicated than the simple narrative we get in grade school.
I am unaware of the extensive writings he did on this subject. Can you kindly do the needful and link the writings please?
Quick overview with some links.
https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/
And an older book that covers Franklin and Jefferson
https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Founders-American-Indian-Democracy/dp/0916782905
So this article says he reviewed one publication, and wrote one article this partner about the Iroquois. Considering how much writing he did, I fail to see how these limited works can be said to have largely impacted the founding of the country nor do I find that to be extensive amounts of writing on this subject. Claiming that the founding of this nation was based on the Iroquois system of governance is revisionist history.
"Constitutional convention members such as Benjamin Franklin were very familiar with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy nations and their founding principles.
He reviewed Cadwallader's The history of the five Indian nations depending on the province of New-York in America, and he wrote the article, "Short Hints Towards a Scheme for Uniting the Northern Colonies." Franklin wrote to his printing partner, James Parker, "It would be a very strange Thing, if [the] Six Nations… should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous." He worked on the Albany Plan of Union and members of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy attended the Albany Congress, where members of northern colonies discussed forming a general council for their common defense.
