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RikkiTikkaTagem said:

I don't really view this as "AI created". It's just AI enhanced. Nothing we've listened to on these three pages could only have been made by AI.

This is still human created content (the base song lyrics, melody) using other human created content (genres of music) with another human just acting as a producer, who just uses AI to get the sound he wants. It's like being a producer who has access to infinite musicians and infinite vocalists and infinite recording studio time that can be done for a fraction of the time and cost.

Another point. Great songs transcend genres. That's what makes them popular. Most of these super popular songs we loved listening to growing on my sound like a specific genre for one of two reasons.

1. That was the bands "sound"
2. Some producer made it sound a certain way for mass consumption and max profitability that in line with what was popular at the time.

Rarely are these songs written in what I would call their best form. Rarely do the person writing the song, the person arranging the music to the song, the person mixing the song, the musicians actually playing and singing the song, are all the people who make that song sound the best it possibly can. That's why we sometimes love the cover better than the original like Hurt by Johnny Cash or I will always love you by Whitney Houston (they're just examples not trying to start an argument). All of the previous things I mention line up to make a better version of the song. I would say all AI is doing for these songs listed so far is just testing out different variations. Now, literally anybody can do it, so you're doing to see a ton of stuff out there.


It's theft. The AI was trained on a song sung by an artist and it was trained in a vocal sound of a second artist (or the original artist). But that artist isn't being paid for it.

That's the slippery slope here with an AI. Someone taught it to do this. And the teacher didn't get paid.

It's a cover but nobody got paid royalties for the lyrics.
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Mathguy64 said:

RikkiTikkaTagem said:

I don't really view this as "AI created". It's just AI enhanced. Nothing we've listened to on these three pages could only have been made by AI.

This is still human created content (the base song lyrics, melody) using other human created content (genres of music) with another human just acting as a producer, who just uses AI to get the sound he wants. It's like being a producer who has access to infinite musicians and infinite vocalists and infinite recording studio time that can be done for a fraction of the time and cost.

Another point. Great songs transcend genres. That's what makes them popular. Most of these super popular songs we loved listening to growing on my sound like a specific genre for one of two reasons.

1. That was the bands "sound"
2. Some producer made it sound a certain way for mass consumption and max profitability that in line with what was popular at the time.

Rarely are these songs written in what I would call their best form. Rarely do the person writing the song, the person arranging the music to the song, the person mixing the song, the musicians actually playing and singing the song, are all the people who make that song sound the best it possibly can. That's why we sometimes love the cover better than the original like Hurt by Johnny Cash or I will always love you by Whitney Houston (they're just examples not trying to start an argument). All of the previous things I mention line up to make a better version of the song. I would say all AI is doing for these songs listed so far is just testing out different variations. Now, literally anybody can do it, so you're doing to see a ton of stuff out there.


It's theft. The AI was trained on a song sung by an artist and it was trained in a vocal sound of a second artist (or the original artist). But that artist isn't being paid for it.

That's the slippery slope here with an AI. Someone taught it to do this. And the teacher didn't get paid.

It's a cover but nobody got paid royalties for the lyrics.

Pretty sure if it's theft, the civil suits will ensure it goes away.



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TPS_Report said:

Mathguy64 said:

RikkiTikkaTagem said:

I don't really view this as "AI created". It's just AI enhanced. Nothing we've listened to on these three pages could only have been made by AI.

This is still human created content (the base song lyrics, melody) using other human created content (genres of music) with another human just acting as a producer, who just uses AI to get the sound he wants. It's like being a producer who has access to infinite musicians and infinite vocalists and infinite recording studio time that can be done for a fraction of the time and cost.

Another point. Great songs transcend genres. That's what makes them popular. Most of these super popular songs we loved listening to growing on my sound like a specific genre for one of two reasons.

1. That was the bands "sound"
2. Some producer made it sound a certain way for mass consumption and max profitability that in line with what was popular at the time.

Rarely are these songs written in what I would call their best form. Rarely do the person writing the song, the person arranging the music to the song, the person mixing the song, the musicians actually playing and singing the song, are all the people who make that song sound the best it possibly can. That's why we sometimes love the cover better than the original like Hurt by Johnny Cash or I will always love you by Whitney Houston (they're just examples not trying to start an argument). All of the previous things I mention line up to make a better version of the song. I would say all AI is doing for these songs listed so far is just testing out different variations. Now, literally anybody can do it, so you're doing to see a ton of stuff out there.


It's theft. The AI was trained on a song sung by an artist and it was trained in a vocal sound of a second artist (or the original artist). But that artist isn't being paid for it.

That's the slippery slope here with an AI. Someone taught it to do this. And the teacher didn't get paid.

It's a cover but nobody got paid royalties for the lyrics.

Pretty sure if it's theft, the civil suits will ensure it goes away.

Wouldn't every band who randomly covers a song at a concert need to be sued as well? How would this work?
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Hagen95 said:

TPS_Report said:

Mathguy64 said:

RikkiTikkaTagem said:

I don't really view this as "AI created". It's just AI enhanced. Nothing we've listened to on these three pages could only have been made by AI.

This is still human created content (the base song lyrics, melody) using other human created content (genres of music) with another human just acting as a producer, who just uses AI to get the sound he wants. It's like being a producer who has access to infinite musicians and infinite vocalists and infinite recording studio time that can be done for a fraction of the time and cost.

Another point. Great songs transcend genres. That's what makes them popular. Most of these super popular songs we loved listening to growing on my sound like a specific genre for one of two reasons.

1. That was the bands "sound"
2. Some producer made it sound a certain way for mass consumption and max profitability that in line with what was popular at the time.

Rarely are these songs written in what I would call their best form. Rarely do the person writing the song, the person arranging the music to the song, the person mixing the song, the musicians actually playing and singing the song, are all the people who make that song sound the best it possibly can. That's why we sometimes love the cover better than the original like Hurt by Johnny Cash or I will always love you by Whitney Houston (they're just examples not trying to start an argument). All of the previous things I mention line up to make a better version of the song. I would say all AI is doing for these songs listed so far is just testing out different variations. Now, literally anybody can do it, so you're doing to see a ton of stuff out there.


It's theft. The AI was trained on a song sung by an artist and it was trained in a vocal sound of a second artist (or the original artist). But that artist isn't being paid for it.

That's the slippery slope here with an AI. Someone taught it to do this. And the teacher didn't get paid.

It's a cover but nobody got paid royalties for the lyrics.

Pretty sure if it's theft, the civil suits will ensure it goes away.

Wouldn't every band who randomly covers a song at a concert need to be sued as well? How would this work?


I think the issue is who is or isn't paying the royalty for the use of the lyrics.

An AI isn't a physical person or even a company paying its bills.

This is a massive issue with AI generated content in really any form. If an AI makes music in the lyrical style and voice of an artist (call it a cover if you want but it's really a copy of an artist) then where did the AI learn to do that? Why is the computer making money off the lyrics of someone else? And if it's a copy of the artist using their voice why should the computer make money off that artist's voice and style?

Rick Beato has lots of interviews with artists dealing with this now. He did a really good one with Bjorn Ulvaeus discussing the details and pros and cons. Ulvaeus makes a compelling case that it's theft of IP. He specifically mentions AI trained on ABBA musics and sound to make "ABBA style" music so close to the real thing that you can't tell who it is so people think they are paying to listen to ABBA. But ABBA doesn't get paid for that.
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Not related, or is it a glimpse of what we're missing now.

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What the holy baby Jesus with the kung fu grip did I just listen to?

That's both amazing, beyond nasty, amazing, inappropriate and amazing. Did I mention it was amazing?

It's half prime Mel Brooks and half prime James Brown. Drunk, stoned James Brown.
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Hagen95 said:

TPS_Report said:

Mathguy64 said:

RikkiTikkaTagem said:

I don't really view this as "AI created". It's just AI enhanced. Nothing we've listened to on these three pages could only have been made by AI.

This is still human created content (the base song lyrics, melody) using other human created content (genres of music) with another human just acting as a producer, who just uses AI to get the sound he wants. It's like being a producer who has access to infinite musicians and infinite vocalists and infinite recording studio time that can be done for a fraction of the time and cost.

Another point. Great songs transcend genres. That's what makes them popular. Most of these super popular songs we loved listening to growing on my sound like a specific genre for one of two reasons.

1. That was the bands "sound"
2. Some producer made it sound a certain way for mass consumption and max profitability that in line with what was popular at the time.

Rarely are these songs written in what I would call their best form. Rarely do the person writing the song, the person arranging the music to the song, the person mixing the song, the musicians actually playing and singing the song, are all the people who make that song sound the best it possibly can. That's why we sometimes love the cover better than the original like Hurt by Johnny Cash or I will always love you by Whitney Houston (they're just examples not trying to start an argument). All of the previous things I mention line up to make a better version of the song. I would say all AI is doing for these songs listed so far is just testing out different variations. Now, literally anybody can do it, so you're doing to see a ton of stuff out there.


It's theft. The AI was trained on a song sung by an artist and it was trained in a vocal sound of a second artist (or the original artist). But that artist isn't being paid for it.

That's the slippery slope here with an AI. Someone taught it to do this. And the teacher didn't get paid.

It's a cover but nobody got paid royalties for the lyrics.

Pretty sure if it's theft, the civil suits will ensure it goes away.

Wouldn't every band who randomly covers a song at a concert need to be sued as well? How would this work?

Cover bands either pay royalties or the venue secures a license to play the covers. Either way money changes hands to the original writers.
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"Funkified Back in Black"

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Not quite the same vein as the OP, but this is awesome and heavy AI

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how has metallica not showed up here yet!

Now with more bass

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Hagen95 said:

TPS_Report said:

Mathguy64 said:

RikkiTikkaTagem said:

I don't really view this as "AI created". It's just AI enhanced. Nothing we've listened to on these three pages could only have been made by AI.

This is still human created content (the base song lyrics, melody) using other human created content (genres of music) with another human just acting as a producer, who just uses AI to get the sound he wants. It's like being a producer who has access to infinite musicians and infinite vocalists and infinite recording studio time that can be done for a fraction of the time and cost.

Another point. Great songs transcend genres. That's what makes them popular. Most of these super popular songs we loved listening to growing on my sound like a specific genre for one of two reasons.

1. That was the bands "sound"
2. Some producer made it sound a certain way for mass consumption and max profitability that in line with what was popular at the time.

Rarely are these songs written in what I would call their best form. Rarely do the person writing the song, the person arranging the music to the song, the person mixing the song, the musicians actually playing and singing the song, are all the people who make that song sound the best it possibly can. That's why we sometimes love the cover better than the original like Hurt by Johnny Cash or I will always love you by Whitney Houston (they're just examples not trying to start an argument). All of the previous things I mention line up to make a better version of the song. I would say all AI is doing for these songs listed so far is just testing out different variations. Now, literally anybody can do it, so you're doing to see a ton of stuff out there.


It's theft. The AI was trained on a song sung by an artist and it was trained in a vocal sound of a second artist (or the original artist). But that artist isn't being paid for it.

That's the slippery slope here with an AI. Someone taught it to do this. And the teacher didn't get paid.

It's a cover but nobody got paid royalties for the lyrics.

Pretty sure if it's theft, the civil suits will ensure it goes away.

Wouldn't every band who randomly covers a song at a concert need to be sued as well? How would this work?

There's an outfit called ASCAP, along with a couple of others, that mange royalties for the music industry. I think they license radio stations to play recorded music. For cover bands, I think the run a deal. They can pay a one-time nominal fee (~$100), and they are good for the life of the band.

I think organizations like this are a mixed bag. The do look out for the royalty interests of musicians and songwriters. However, they can act like a Mafia too with petty lawsuits.
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I bleed Maroon and I wipe burnt orange!
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tk for tu juan said:



Looking at al the character nicknames was well worth the watch!
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NC2001 said:

tk for tu juan said:



Looking at al the character nicknames was well worth the watch!

That was really funny. Although I feel the shot of Lando was probably actually what Billy Dee Williams was doing in the 70s.

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There's a touring group that does these for real.





 
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