Just once can you not completely misquote/misrepresent me? I realize it's the only way you can win an argument, but good lord it gets old. Because never on this board have I claimed that "Hollywood is mostly just a bunch of political moderates or people who don't care about politics."

Rather, I was simply disputing your ridiculous "90% of Hollywood hates us" remark, which is a far cry from the words you put in mouth.

Of course Hollywood is mostly liberal. But 90%? Absolutely not. And the vast majority of that 90% don't have some visceral hatred for you/the right like you constantly insist. That's all I'm saying. Do Hollywood liberals exist who *do* hate you/the right? No doubt. But I'm telling you from first-hand experience that it's a small fraction/not anywhere close to a majority.

As old as your constant condescension gets.

Yeah, your industry, akin to journalism and academia, are further left than you'd like to admit, and it won't be easy to reverse. Back in the stupid Acolyte thread you swore up and down that Leslye Headland was a reasonable choice based on her prior experience and that those of us writing it off as political bull**** were wrong for doing so. That's one of several instances where you lost credibility. Just because you work in Hollywood, I certainly don't accept your word as law on anything. You're clearly biased.

He's like 80% agreeing with you and you still want to argue to the bitter end.

I'm pretty conservative, but I don't need anti-woke. I want them to just remove the political slants altogether. Focus on good stories and good characters.

BTW, my son is planning his birthday party right now. Lots of activities for the boys, gaming, and then some late night movies: Wayne's World, Rush Hour and Major League. None of those are anti-woke. They're just funny as hell and don't care about being PC.

I'm a big time conservative:

- Who is going to watch bull riding outside of a very niche demographic? Seems like a terrible bet.
- UFC on the WH lawn is not anti-woke, but it's certainly absurd and should be labeled as idiocracy.

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Please show me your sourcing for this "90%." Otherwise, I'll assume you pulled that stat out of your ass, considering I work in this industry and know for a fact it's inaccurate.

Also, explain how certain liberal creatives are going to overrule the owner of the company.

Never mind the fact that David Ellison used daddy's money to make this deal happen, Larry Ellison (said daddy) is one of Trump's biggest supporters, and Trump's FCC had to approve the deal. Throw in Warner Bros, for which the Ellisons are currently the most aggressive bidders, and the Ellisons could soon very well own a majority of Hollywood. Which I assumed would be wet dream for those of you who constantly ***** and moan about how "woke" Hollywood is, but I guess not.

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Not, because of a point I made that you missed. Hollywood isn't just physical properties or studios, it's people. Institutional change on the scale needed to make a lasting difference won't happen when you acquire a company staffed with 90% people who hold contempt for you and anyone else across the US who looks/thinks/votes like you.

The success of a company like Angel Studios giving non-leftists a place to actually work in the movie industry is a more hopeful sign, but that's a modest thing in the grand scheme of the industry.

An outspoken conservative/Christian/non-leftist in Hollywood is absolutely out of luck, for now. I don't mean someone who claims they voted for Trump but would never ever ever ever mention that or what views made them do that when socializing with their colleagues. I mean someone who works in the industry and actually stands on business and isn't cowered into silence. I don't know how many people there are like that. Is it over 10%?

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I didn't miss that point. Of corse Hollywood is people - whom, again, I've been around for 20+ years, and not a single one I know or have interacted with has ever expressed the deep-seeded "contempt" you so desperately think "90%" (again, a number you're pulling straight out of your ass) of them hold "for you and anyone else across the US who looks/thinks/votes like you." Any time anyone spouts this bull**** I know they're simply parroting the company line, because anyone who actually works in the industry knows that sentiment/statistic simply isn't true. But by all means keep stubbornly believing/peddling your nonsense from halfway across the country. You clearly know best!

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I'm not saying I know best, in fact I started my post office with "I don't know enough to know", but I don't think a lot of people believe you when you claim, which you often do, that Hollywood is mostly just a bunch of political moderates or people who don't care about politics. I can only judge based on the handful of people I do personally know in the industry and of course on the shift in messaging/narratives/themes in content over the last couple of decades. Based on that, I don't think your appraisal is an accurate or honest one.

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I'll preface all of this with: I am surmising here.

The perception of Hollywood being this raving bin of leftist lunatics is driven 100% by the mouthpieces who are always on TV spouting that garbage. In other words, the actors or perhaps some high profile director/producer types. But Hollywood is so much more than just this group. I only know that because I frequently watch the credits for a movie to listen to the end credits score. The only time any of these people might find themselves on TV would be during some awards presentation, where I suppose they could reveal their political thoughts in acceptance speeches for things like visual effects, design stuff, sound, etc - the awards that no one in the general public ever have cared about.

It's yet another example of the squeaky wheel getting all the attention. In no way do I believe this is a majority lefty nation. No f'ing way. But with the people that TV highlights in news programs or what-have-you, or just 2 seconds on any typical social media platform, you'd think we're a nation of commie-loving turds just pining for some commie tyrant to come fix all of our problems.

While it's likely that many of those in the supporting roles are leftists, they get no platform to spew their leftism to the masses.

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He's like 80% agreeing with you and you still want to argue to the bitter end.

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I laughed at this because it's true.

I haven't read all his posts, but the OP was actually very reasonable regarding the topic.

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I have no idea what the percent is and I doubt anyone else does either. But I do know that those who are not leftists have to shut up and stay silent or risk being ostracized from Hollywood. So does it really matter if its 50% or 90%?

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I am hoping this is starting to turn. Gen Z males are trending solidly to the right (that is no small demographic)...and their goddess, Sydney Sweeney, just went viral for shutting down some psycho hyper woke cat collecting feminist claiming her American Eagle ad was "a joke about how white people are genetically superior" or some insanely stupid and dishonest BS like that.

People are f-ing fatiqued. The liberal lunacy and their constant psychotic false narratives just got too out of control.

https://instagr.am/p/DQuaNcnATft

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I have no idea what the percent is and I doubt anyone else does either. But I do know that those who are not leftists have to shut up and stay silent or risk being ostracized from Hollywood. So does it really matter if its 50% or 90%?

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I am hoping this is starting to turn. Gen Z males are trending solidly to the right (that is no small demographic)...and their goddess, Sydney Sweeney, just went viral for shutting down some psycho hyper woke cat collecting feminist claiming her American Eagle ad was "a joke about how white people are genetically superior" or some insanely stupid and dishonest BS like that.

People are f-ing fatiqued. The liberal lunacy and their constant psychotic false narratives just got too out of control.

https://instagr.am/p/DQuaNcnATft

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This is one of the most who gives a **** issues I've ever seen and it is stuff like this that exhausts people with liberals/the left…And I say that as a liberal leaning guy.

Slam Frank: The Musical

The left dancing on the corpse of a Jewish, white victim of the Holocaust.

But did you hear how problematic the guy that Sound of Freedom was based on is?

I'm not going to read this thread because it's entirely predictable. I will say, however, that an entire generation of boys and young men were deprived the joys of movies like Rambo First Blood Part 2, Commando, Escape from New York, Die Hard, and the like. Someone has to think of the children.

Don't worry, dude, you'll always have Starz.