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johnnyblaze36 said:TresPuertas said:
I feel like ACL, or probably music in general, is headed the way of Coachella. Very Pop/Dance/Electonic heavy because that's what kids today are listening to.
there just aren't a lot of true bands out there anymore.
what's funny about that 2010 poster is that there are bands 3-10 lines down who became massive acts.
There are plenty of true bands on this festival lineup slated for later this year:
https://bourbonandbeyond.com/lineup/
I went to the first three ACL festivals starting 24 years ago (where does the time go?). Haven't been back since but at least they still had some massive headliners since then. The last several years have been abhorrent.
Damn, you are not kidding! ACL sucks, but my wife would love 15+ of those. Scared to even show her.
wangus12 said:Quote:
Definitely leaning into alot of EDM. Seeing Rufus Du Sol play Innerbloom live is awesome.
Its is definitely the genre of the younger generation. My wife loves it and we got to a lot of EDM festivals. Not my thing, but the gen x crowd is all in on it.
I'm Gen X and think someone getting paid concert ticket prices to dj is dumb.
maroon barchetta said:wangus12 said:Quote:
Definitely leaning into alot of EDM. Seeing Rufus Du Sol play Innerbloom live is awesome.
Its is definitely the genre of the younger generation. My wife loves it and we got to a lot of EDM festivals. Not my thing, but the gen x crowd is all in on it.
I'm Gen X and think someone getting paid concert ticket prices to dj is dumb.
I'm thinking he got his generation labels mixed up.
That Bourbon fest lineup is really good, tons of great bands
LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
TXAG 05 said:maroon barchetta said:wangus12 said:Quote:
Definitely leaning into alot of EDM. Seeing Rufus Du Sol play Innerbloom live is awesome.
Its is definitely the genre of the younger generation. My wife loves it and we got to a lot of EDM festivals. Not my thing, but the gen x crowd is all in on it.
I'm Gen X and think someone getting paid concert ticket prices to dj is dumb.
I'm thinking he got his generation labels mixed up.
That Bourbon fest lineup is really good, tons of great bands
Yeah I did. Definitely meant Gen Z
Late Stage Gen X is partially correct because we did have this in the 80's
Daft Punk, The Prodigy, Darude, Technotronics, Aqua, etc., in the 90's
Daft Punk, The Prodigy, Darude, Technotronics, Aqua, etc., in the 90's
TresPuertas said:
I feel like ACL, or probably music in general, is headed the way of Coachella. Very Pop/Dance/Electonic heavy because that's what kids today are listening to.
there just aren't a lot of true bands out there anymore.
what's funny about that 2010 poster is that there are bands 3-10 lines down who became massive acts.
I am sure that is what the old heads were saying when the 80's came along and it was almost nothing but pop, synth, new wave, and this crazy new form of music called "hip hop". Then a lot of that phased out and in the early-mid 90's came one of the best rock and roll/grunge/metal eras of all time. Rap too.
One can hope we find our way again. Although, the 80's music was largely awesome compared to today's EDM crap.
Macarthur said:LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
I think the reason there's so many dance/EDM artist is because kids that age aren't really that interested in the "music" anymore like we were (draw your own conclusions why), and are more about the scene (FOMO) and the corresponding drug scene that happens with that kind of music. Just my guess. The actual "band" or artist is close to insignificant (headliners non-withstanding).
I mean, when I was that age, and at a club listening to similar music like that, people were just , umm, "on another level". The actual song being played was secondary.
jtkk said:
Holy crap! With the exception of Asleep at the Wheel, I've never heard of any of them.
Old man yelling at clouds I guess.
really? twenty one pilots? Lorde? kings of leon? These artists had massive hits 10-15+ years ago.. They aren't even that recent.
edit... I see this was already brought up and you replied.. Carry on.
Blast from the past. I saw Houndmouth in an Indianapolis dive bar in like 2012 and partied with them after the show. Haven't really kept up with their music but they had a couple badass albums back in the day.
Aust Ag said:Macarthur said:LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
I think the reason there's so many dance/EDM artist is because kids that age aren't really that interested in the "music" anymore like we were (draw your own conclusions why), and are more about the scene (FOMO) and the corresponding drug scene that happens with that kind of music. Just my guess. The actual "band" or artist is close to insignificant (headliners non-withstanding).
I mean, when I was that age, and at a club listening to similar music like that, people were just , umm, "on another level". The actual song being played was secondary.
slightly hesitant to respond to this because i'm on the fence trying to figure out if this is satire or not.. you do understand that not all music is created with 2 guitars, a bass, drums, and a singer right? electronic music still constitutes music, there's chord progressions, melodies, and all the other stuff involved in composing whatever you're suggesting "real" music is. the instrumentation is obviously different but moving away from the formulaic nature of traditional rock and country in many cases allows for more complex writing, interesting and unexpected rhythmic elements, and more creativity in general. there's nothing inherently more musical about a guitar playing a chord progression than a synthesizer playing it. and before someone claims it's different because the artist is playing the guitar, i think a lot of you might be surprised to learn how many of your favorite albums are loaded with parts that were actually performed by a producer or session musician or even a different member of the band. the fact is a good song can be performed by millions of people, but it can only be written by one (or a few collaborating together). that's the part that's artistry. and whether it's electronic instrumentation, traditional rock layout, african drums, whatever- it still has to be written like any other music. also, fun fact- tons of movie/tv/game scores are created these days entirely on a computer. it's a lot cheaper to use a high quality orchestral sample library than it is to hire an actual orchestra. and nobody can tell the difference.
there's also a ton of wildly different genres of electronic music that sound nothing alike. not all of it is the sort of thing thats played at a rave for a bunch of kids on x. sorry to rant but the whole "electronic music isn't real music" thing is a pet peeve. besides, as someone with plenty experience with both, it's easier to write a rock song imo.
PatAg said:
Rufus du sol is a perfect act to see when the sun starts to set at acl. Same for the xx.
Im not sure Turnstile fits the vibe but they are great live
yeah turnstile definitely seems out of place with the rest of the acts. i know a lot of people are underwhelmed by the lineup but with as much as this festivals reputation has fallen off in recent years, im a little surprised they got as many big name acts as they did.
as far as the posts lamenting the state of modern music, rock dying, etc… it's not that there aren't great rock bands out there so much as the music industry that we used to have has been greatly weakened by streaming and access to technology. the days are gone that you need a label or a ton of cash to cut a record. and the days are gone that you can only succeed as an artist by getting some gatekeeper to approve of your music so it gets radio play. so now we have independent artists everywhere putting their music on the streaming services themselves while listeners have access to any song at anytime in their pocket. rather than having a radio dj exposing the masses to the same group of songs, people find their own music these days. there's still big artists but things are a lot more fractured. people aren't all listening to the same songs at the same time like it used to be. and as the artists leftover from the pre-streaming years hang it up, it's going to be more and more obvious. there's still great bands out there, you just might have to do a little more to discover them as there's no longer a centralized sort of curation happening for everyone.
Protip: they are all reselling through secondary.
Acl could have had Hoobastank as the headliner and it would have "sold out". Demand, whether real or not, is part of promotions.
Acl could have had Hoobastank as the headliner and it would have "sold out". Demand, whether real or not, is part of promotions.
dixie whiskey said:Aust Ag said:Macarthur said:LandArchSA said:
Text to my daughter: "meh" (although there's a handful I wouldn't mind seeing)
Her response: "wait. no. that lineup is fire."
The youths have spoken...
All three of my kids are 21-26 and they all said it was ass.
I think the reason there's so many dance/EDM artist is because kids that age aren't really that interested in the "music" anymore like we were (draw your own conclusions why), and are more about the scene (FOMO) and the corresponding drug scene that happens with that kind of music. Just my guess. The actual "band" or artist is close to insignificant (headliners non-withstanding).
I mean, when I was that age, and at a club listening to similar music like that, people were just , umm, "on another level". The actual song being played was secondary.
slightly hesitant to respond to this because i'm on the fence trying to figure out if this is satire or not.. you do understand that not all music is created with 2 guitars, a bass, drums, and a singer right? electronic music still constitutes music, there's chord progressions, melodies, and all the other stuff involved in composing whatever you're suggesting "real" music is. the instrumentation is obviously different but moving away from the formulaic nature of traditional rock and country in many cases allows for more complex writing, interesting and unexpected rhythmic elements, and more creativity in general. there's nothing inherently more musical about a guitar playing a chord progression than a synthesizer playing it. and before someone claims it's different because the artist is playing the guitar, i think a lot of you might be surprised to learn how many of your favorite albums are loaded with parts that were actually performed by a producer or session musician or even a different member of the band. the fact is a good song can be performed by millions of people, but it can only be written by one (or a few collaborating together). that's the part that's artistry. and whether it's electronic instrumentation, traditional rock layout, african drums, whatever- it still has to be written like any other music. also, fun fact- tons of movie/tv/game scores are created these days entirely on a computer. it's a lot cheaper to use a high quality orchestral sample library than it is to hire an actual orchestra. and nobody can tell the difference.
there's also a ton of wildly different genres of electronic music that sound nothing alike. not all of it is the sort of thing thats played at a rave for a bunch of kids on x. sorry to rant but the whole "electronic music isn't real music" thing is a pet peeve. besides, as someone with plenty experience with both, it's easier to write a rock song imo.
I have to think that most people who really enjoy the artistry of musicianship are going to agree that a live singer, instrumentalist, or band is a million times more entertaining than a live EDM performance or DJ set. That said, there are crazy amount of people who love the latter, but in my experience they a) dont know much about music in general, and/or b) don't give a rip about anything other than the vibe and being able to dance.
Proposition Joe said:
Protip: they are all reselling through secondary.
Acl could have had Hoobastank as the headliner and it would have "sold out". Demand, whether real or not, is part of promotions.
Now THAT I would go pay and see!
Has needed to go back to one weekend for a while.
Tobias Funke said:
I have to think that most people who really enjoy the artistry of musicianship are going to agree that a live singer, instrumentalist, or band is a million times more entertaining than a live EDM performance or DJ set. That said, there are crazy amount of people who love the latter, but in my experience they a) dont know much about music in general, and/or b) don't give a rip about anything other than the vibe and being able to dance.
this reminds me of the Rick and Morty copypasta, great job.
You probably expressed that better than I did.
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I have to think that most people who really enjoy the artistry of musicianship are going to agree that a live singer, instrumentalist, or band is a million times more entertaining than a live EDM performance or DJ set. That said, there are crazy amount of people who love the latter, but in my experience they a) dont know much about music in general, and/or b) don't give a rip about anything other than the vibe and being able to dance.
As a person that appreciates both sides of the coin, I'd say that while live DJ sets are just as exciting as a typical live singer with band performance. I think it gives artists more flexibility and allows for a smoother transition between songs something that is hard to achieve with a band. I'd also like to add that there are fewer and fewer DJ's that play at festivals that are solely DJs. Most of them are music producers who have more talent than just being able to turn knobs and push buttons. You just don't make it to a festival as a weekend DJ that plays weddings and such on the weekends--not that it hasn't happened before, it's the exception not the norm.
However, I've seen the trend to start incorporating live singers and musicians to a DJ's set. Hell even Bon Jovi sung at Ultra a couple of years ago. I don't think instruments are going away at all. With a DJ set, there is definitely a place for live instruments and singers; it's just not as popular as it should be.
The EDM movement is similar to any other genre that was popular during the 80's, 90's and 00's where the baby boomers claimed it wasn't real music. Music is cyclical and soon everyone will get tired of all the electronically synthesized sounds, but for now this is mainstream.
Boomers could say stuff wasn't real music, but at least the new music they were insulting was played by musicians with instruments and sang by live vocalists.
That isn't what you are describing.
"This one time, at DJ camp…" said no one ever.
That isn't what you are describing.
"This one time, at DJ camp…" said no one ever.
maroon barchetta said:
Asleep At The Wheel headlined the Great Texas Mosquito Festival in Clute in 1980 or so. Hard to believe they are still around.
they are still around because they are always adding and losing members. their past member list is miles long.
Few and far between but live full band performances by dance artists like moby and Disclosure are incredible these days. Get those acts on the bill over Skrillex and Steve Aoki and the lineup would be majorly improved instantly.
Another thing I loved about the first three ACLs I attended is that there were lots of jambands playing it but the real heat were their subsequent late night shows at places like Stubb's, The Vibe, La Zona Rosa, etc.
Over the past many years you can't find a single jamband on any of the bills save for Billy Strings (if one wants to put them in that category).
I'm just glad they didn't throw Goose at the top of the headliners list nor on the list at all.
Over the past many years you can't find a single jamband on any of the bills save for Billy Strings (if one wants to put them in that category).
I'm just glad they didn't throw Goose at the top of the headliners list nor on the list at all.
Amyl and the Sniffers were the opening act for AC/DC when I saw them late last year in Melbourne. They were actually really, really good. Like early 80s punk good. I was very impressed.
Outside of that I got nothing.
Outside of that I got nothing.
Mucho austin said:maroon barchetta said:
Asleep At The Wheel headlined the Great Texas Mosquito Festival in Clute in 1980 or so. Hard to believe they are still around.
they are still around because they are always adding and losing members. their past member list is miles long.
They were always the opener back in the early days of the fest, but I haven't been back in a long time.
Re: this year's lineup, The War on Drugs will blow most of these acts away; that is if you wanna see an actual band playing instruments and well.
I'd love to cross Rufus Du Sol and The XX off my list but not in this setting.
dmart90 said:
Amyl and the Sniffers were the opening act for AC/DC when I saw them late last year in Melbourne. They were actually really, really good. Like early 80s punk good. I was very impressed.
Outside of that I got nothing.
Good to know, I'm dying to see them. Won't go to ACL for it but they're still on my current list.
maroon barchetta said:
Boomers could say stuff wasn't real music, but at least the new music they were insulting was played by musicians with instruments and sang by live vocalists.
That isn't what you are describing.
"This one time, at DJ camp…" said no one ever.
Ha, that's because no one up until knows what that really means. DJ-ing has come a long way from just playing vinyl although I know some enthusiasts wish it were still mixed that way.
There are some DJ's that produce music on the fly during a live set so it's a little more complicated than just having a controller twisting knobs and pushing buttons to beat match. Of course, I also know that some DJ's pre-record their sets especially during a festival so I'll give you that.
But, I'd take it one step further and ask, why isn't a DJ controller considered an instrument? And why does a musical act always need a live singer and live instruments to be considered "music"?
I can see why EDM has such an appeal today; it forces you to get off your seat and dance. Maybe that's not your particular flavor of vodka, but its not going anywhere for a while.
GrayMatter said:
The EDM movement is similar to any other genre that was popular during the 80's, 90's and 00's where the baby boomers claimed it wasn't real music. Music is cyclical and soon everyone will get tired of all the electronically synthesized sounds, but for now this is mainstream.
I'd say disco would be a more apt comparison for EDM
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GrayMatter said:maroon barchetta said:
Boomers could say stuff wasn't real music, but at least the new music they were insulting was played by musicians with instruments and sang by live vocalists.
That isn't what you are describing.
"This one time, at DJ camp…" said no one ever.
Ha, that's because no one up until knows what that really means. DJ-ing has come a long way from just playing vinyl although I know some enthusiasts wish it were still mixed that way.
There are some DJ's that produce music on the fly during a live set so it's a little more complicated than just having a controller twisting knobs and pushing buttons to beat match. Of course, I also know that some DJ's pre-record their sets especially during a festival so I'll give you that.
But, I'd take it one step further and ask, why isn't a DJ controller considered an instrument? And why does a musical act always need a live singer and live instruments to be considered "music"?
I can see why EDM has such an appeal today; it forces you to get off your seat and dance. Maybe that's not your particular flavor of vodka, but its not going anywhere for a while.
Don't be obtuse.
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Hopefully Rebecca Black performs on Friday.
maroon barchetta said:GrayMatter said:maroon barchetta said:
Boomers could say stuff wasn't real music, but at least the new music they were insulting was played by musicians with instruments and sang by live vocalists.
That isn't what you are describing.
"This one time, at DJ camp…" said no one ever.
Ha, that's because no one up until knows what that really means. DJ-ing has come a long way from just playing vinyl although I know some enthusiasts wish it were still mixed that way.
There are some DJ's that produce music on the fly during a live set so it's a little more complicated than just having a controller twisting knobs and pushing buttons to beat match. Of course, I also know that some DJ's pre-record their sets especially during a festival so I'll give you that.
But, I'd take it one step further and ask, why isn't a DJ controller considered an instrument? And why does a musical act always need a live singer and live instruments to be considered "music"?
I can see why EDM has such an appeal today; it forces you to get off your seat and dance. Maybe that's not your particular flavor of vodka, but its not going anywhere for a while.
Don't be obtuse.
Is a piano an instrument?
It is. And you can make original music on it or you can play someone else's music on it, which does take skill and memorization or reading, dexterity, practice, and effort.
You aren't pushing a button on the piano and having an entire symphony start to play.
But I know you're just being difficult.
You aren't pushing a button on the piano and having an entire symphony start to play.
But I know you're just being difficult.
And you're not being difficult?
You have to know what you're doing to program these things. It's not just push a button and get a symphony.
Tell David Gilmour and Roger Waters this isn't music. They're just pushing buttons.
You have to know what you're doing to program these things. It's not just push a button and get a symphony.
Tell David Gilmour and Roger Waters this isn't music. They're just pushing buttons.
Sure. Right before they picked up their instruments and played music while singing.
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