The Count of Monte Cristo (PBS)

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There is currently an 8 episode drama series on PBS that is incredible if anyone is looking for their next 8 hour binge. Highly recommend.
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My favorite book. Thanks for the heads up!
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FWAppraiser said:

My favorite book. Thanks for the heads up!
Interesting enough the book was a product of condensing a weekly serial in a french newspaper.
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So Haydee is African now? What happened to Ali Pasha?
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Is this something you have to record, or is it streaming somewhere? The PBS app?
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We purchased it straight through Amazon.
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agdoc2001 said:

So Haydee is African now? What happened to Ali Pasha?

Please tell me this a joke, I've been waiting for so long for a proper adaptation(at least one where Edmond doesn't end up with Mercades but instead Haudee at the end.) Of course the stupid DEI crowd would go after this, they're hell bent on distorting historical fiction and turning it into the same diverse slop we see everywhere else. Hell Alexander Dumas was mulatto and he would be pissed on this miscasting crap. Ali Pasha and Haydee are Albanian, ALBANIAN.

Crap like this is why I can't wait for AI to replace the film industry. The art is the novel, the filmmakers' job is create a faithful adaptation of that art, not provide their own artistic interpretation of it because quite frankly their interpretations are always for the worse not better.
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FWAppraiser said:

My favorite book. Thanks for the heads up!

Pretty sure it started off as a film in 2002 with the guy who played Jim Caviezel? Dude Pierce, I'm pretty certain was his arch-nemesis.



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Is that the book written by some French dumbass that eventually got made into a movie featuring Jesus?
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Bruce Almighty said:

Is that the book written by some French dumbass that eventually got made into a movie featuring Jesus?

yeah, jim played jesus and jesus played jim

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I thought Haydee was Arab or something. /shrug
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rhutton125 said:

I thought Haydee was Arab or something. /shrug


No, from Yanina/Janina which is Albania (our family is reading the chapter on her story specifically right now, as in last night).

Also, child slaves from the Balkans used by the Ottoman Empire as an army were called Janissaries. History of Eastern Europe since 1492 at tamu comes in clutch for me, finally.
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AgFrogfan said:




Written by Alexander Dumbass...

Just took a nap watching this movie this afternoon...
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hunter2012 said:

agdoc2001 said:

So Haydee is African now? What happened to Ali Pasha?

Please tell me this a joke, I've been waiting for so long for a proper adaptation(at least one where Edmond doesn't end up with Mercades but instead Haudee at the end.) Of course the stupid DEI crowd would go after this, they're hell bent on distorting historical fiction and turning it into the same diverse slop we see everywhere else. Hell Alexander Dumas was mulatto and he would be pissed on this miscasting crap. Ali Pasha and Haydee are Albanian, ALBANIAN.

Crap like this is why I can't wait for AI to replace the film industry. The art is the novel, the filmmakers' job is create a faithful adaptation of that art, not provide their own artistic interpretation of it because quite frankly their interpretations are always for the worse not better.


Film is also art. Adaptation is art. You're not going to find an art museum in the world that's not chock full of differing adaptations of the same story or event.
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I don't doubt you, I was mostly just shrugging at the casting choice (or whatever it is, reinterpretation). I remember him telling folks that she's his slave, and people kinda nod along like it's a quaint foreign thing. So I don't think I'd be very bothered.

That said, the Amazon Three Musketeers changes were bothering me left and right, so I get wanting a straight adaptation, for sure.
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Sapper Redux said:

hunter2012 said:

agdoc2001 said:

So Haydee is African now? What happened to Ali Pasha?

Please tell me this a joke, I've been waiting for so long for a proper adaptation(at least one where Edmond doesn't end up with Mercades but instead Haudee at the end.) Of course the stupid DEI crowd would go after this, they're hell bent on distorting historical fiction and turning it into the same diverse slop we see everywhere else. Hell Alexander Dumas was mulatto and he would be pissed on this miscasting crap. Ali Pasha and Haydee are Albanian, ALBANIAN.

Crap like this is why I can't wait for AI to replace the film industry. The art is the novel, the filmmakers' job is create a faithful adaptation of that art, not provide their own artistic interpretation of it because quite frankly their interpretations are always for the worse not better.


Film is also art. Adaptation is art. You're not going to find an art museum in the world that's not chock full of differing adaptations of the same story or event.

An original script is art for it is created with the intent to be seen on screen. An adaptation is not, it's a transmutation from something intended to be written to something intended to be seen. Now there is artistic expression in things like the camera work, lightening, tempo, the visual production of the transmutation. Beyond that the source material is either adapted faithfully to the intent of the original author as best as feasible(appropriate runtime and continuity) or it is rewritten to fit agendas or to satisfy the writer, director, or producer's hubris.

There's nothing wrong with a reimagining, but it's distasteful to have the same setting, location, time period, and general storyline then intentionally miscast key characters just to fill the d*mned DEI quota, it changes the context of the story for no purpose other than modern political agenda. Ask yourself "if we didn't live in this DEI era would this actress really be cast as Haydee?"
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Are we really doing this **** again?
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Fleen said:

AgFrogfan said:




Written by Alexander Dumbass...

Just took a nap watching this movie this afternoon...


lame joke or freudian slip?!

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Sapper Redux said:

hunter2012 said:

agdoc2001 said:

So Haydee is African now? What happened to Ali Pasha?

Please tell me this a joke, I've been waiting for so long for a proper adaptation(at least one where Edmond doesn't end up with Mercades but instead Haudee at the end.) Of course the stupid DEI crowd would go after this, they're hell bent on distorting historical fiction and turning it into the same diverse slop we see everywhere else. Hell Alexander Dumas was mulatto and he would be pissed on this miscasting crap. Ali Pasha and Haydee are Albanian, ALBANIAN.

Crap like this is why I can't wait for AI to replace the film industry. The art is the novel, the filmmakers' job is create a faithful adaptation of that art, not provide their own artistic interpretation of it because quite frankly their interpretations are always for the worse not better.


Film is also art. Adaptation is art. You're not going to find an art museum in the world that's not chock full of differing adaptations of the same story or event.


Adaptation by itself is not art. A great many adaptations never made it to the museum and were discarded because they don't meet the standard. Would anyone compare the huntsman or the most recent Snow White to the original? I'm aware of three pride and prejudice interpretations with varying degrees of accuracy (there are probably more). One stands above the other two, but one is so far removed from the novel and other two movies, that it never merits mention. Adaptation - so what?

And while art released into the wild becomes its own thing that its creator cannot control, it can also become a cultural relic or icon that isn't just 'adapted' but demeaned or devalued with a poor retelling, to the point that it doesn't connect with the audience or pulls them out of the work by disconnecting them from it (casting, music, interpretation). Movies on the whole come and go, and one generations memorable or quotable set largely doesn't survive.

This is a hard story to tell. If you take it on, you need to do a good job, so why set up roadblocks to buy in? It doesn't make sense.
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I generally prefer to see adaptations hew relatively closely to the source material, unless it's a complete cultural transplant, like Kurosawa's Ran adapting King Lear to feudal Japan, or Hamilton for that matter. When it's race or gender swapping a character or two but otherwise keeping the setting intact, I'm immediately a little suspicious, perhaps unfairly, that it's stunt casting.
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hunter2012 said:

Sapper Redux said:

hunter2012 said:

agdoc2001 said:

So Haydee is African now? What happened to Ali Pasha?

Please tell me this a joke, I've been waiting for so long for a proper adaptation(at least one where Edmond doesn't end up with Mercades but instead Haudee at the end.) Of course the stupid DEI crowd would go after this, they're hell bent on distorting historical fiction and turning it into the same diverse slop we see everywhere else. Hell Alexander Dumas was mulatto and he would be pissed on this miscasting crap. Ali Pasha and Haydee are Albanian, ALBANIAN.

Crap like this is why I can't wait for AI to replace the film industry. The art is the novel, the filmmakers' job is create a faithful adaptation of that art, not provide their own artistic interpretation of it because quite frankly their interpretations are always for the worse not better.


Film is also art. Adaptation is art. You're not going to find an art museum in the world that's not chock full of differing adaptations of the same story or event.

An original script is art for it is created with the intent to be seen on screen. An adaptation is not, it's a transmutation from something intended to be written to something intended to be seen. Now there is artistic expression in things like the camera work, lightening, tempo, the visual production of the transmutation. Beyond that the source material is either adapted faithfully to the intent of the original author as best as feasible(appropriate runtime and continuity) or it is rewritten to fit agendas or to satisfy the writer, director, or producer's hubris.

There's nothing wrong with a reimagining, but it's distasteful to have the same setting, location, time period, and general storyline then intentionally miscast key characters just to fill the d*mned DEI quota, it changes the context of the story for no purpose other than modern political agenda. Ask yourself "if we didn't live in this DEI era would this actress really be cast as Haydee?"

lol
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LMCane said:

Fleen said:

AgFrogfan said:




Written by Alexander Dumbass...

Just took a nap watching this movie this afternoon...


lame joke or freudian slip?!

Know how I know you haven't watched one of the best movies of the 1990's?


ETA- coincidentally for this conversation, the film adaptation of King's book cast Morgan Freeman as the character "Red", who was of Irish heritage in the original story. But that was choosing the best actor for the role rather than a DEI decision, according to Darabont.
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Have you really never seen Shawshank Redemption?
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AGC said:

rhutton125 said:

I thought Haydee was Arab or something. /shrug


No, from Yanina/Janina which is Albania (our family is reading the chapter on her story specifically right now, as in last night).

Also, child slaves from the Balkans used by the Ottoman Empire as an army were called Janissaries. History of Eastern Europe since 1492 at tamu comes in clutch for me, finally.


All slaves must be played by Africans since they were the only ones ever enslaved........
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I found it a poor adaptation, especially since they had an entire series to get it right and not just two to three hours. I think quite a bit of it was miscast. If you haven't read the source material then maybe you could see it as somewhat entertaining. Otherwise, I feel like it was poorly done.
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