A&M beauracracy is fighting our BonfireTradition!

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hunthill9630
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Im told by a friend that he cant post anything about bonfire on facebook anymore about http:bringbonfireback.com

We are losing our freedoms and traditions. We should all have the option to say yeah or nay. We dont need to be told what to want or not.

Help those that have gone to the trouble to put up this site. If you dont want it fine! If you do help those of us that do!

http://www.bringbonfireback.com

this is our last best chance to bring it back Ags!
VatoLocoAggie
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Did anyone sue the university after the bonfire?

If so, did the university have to payout and about how much?
ag4ever2010
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Is your friend the Aggie connect guy? I've posted the website as a status update a few times, but I don't think it is doing much good. I think if there was some way to send a personal message out to the Texas A&M University fan page, we would be getting a lot of signatures. But obviously that will not be happening considering what you just posted.
rockylarues
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We are losing our freedoms and traditions. We should all have the option to say yeah or nay. We dont need to be told what to want or not


"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
Saxon Wulfkok
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The admin is probably not against bonfire as much as they are against getting sued.
centexag50
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vato....... im a businessman and i have liability insurance and i can assure you the university does.

No liability in fielding a football team or other actions? Guess we should quit doing anything because we could be sued.

Ever heard of insurance dude! My attorney said this was crazy. We could easily cover the risks.

If you dont want our Traditions fine then stay away but dont keep the rest away from them. Let supply and demand take its course.

I respect your thoughts but your sarcasm is a reflection of you.
AggieDave02
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"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"


"How do you know he's a noble?"

"He ain't got sh@t all over him."
rockylarues
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Good work Dave!
VatoLocoAggie
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Centax50,

I wasn't being sarcastic, I am only asking a question.

If liability isn't the issue, then can someone give me one good reason why we don't have bonfire? I guess our beloved university simply wants us to not have the best tradition simply because they want to be mean to us for no reason at all.

So, tell me why you believe we don't have bonfire.

rockylarues
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vato....... im a businessman and i have liability insurance and i can assure you the university does.

No liability in fielding a football team or other actions? Guess we should quit doing anything because we could be sued.


Not quite apples to apples there.
AggieDave02
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maybe the problem is with builders risk insurance
gunan01
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Don't we have a Bonfire board?
tamuageco72
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I dont have a dog in this fight!

I experienced bonfire and if you young bucks dont want it thats your decision.

As a taxpayer i want the system to work tho and not the system to work me. You guys have to live with it as im ok either way. I think its a tradition that separates us from the others and one day A&M may look like other universities. I just dont want to be around when that is the case.

I think we can look at the national level now what happens when government tells you what you need and dont.

btho okie lite
VikingNik
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I don't even think it is insurance. Could you live with the thought of another Aggie, let alone 12, dying to build a bonfire?
Ronald Jenkees
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I don't even think it is insurance. Could you live with the thought of another Aggie, let alone 12, dying to build a bonfire?


Great point. I think there are a lot of Ags out there torn on this issue.

It was such a great thing but we will not be able to have it back as it was, if at all. And the reasoning for this is not wrong either.
12thman09
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So maybe we don't have bonfire because we lost fellow 12 aggies in '99. If you ask me that is a good enough reason to end a tradition. Bonfire is great but no matter what precautions are followed it is still dangerous. The university isn’t worried about lawsuits they are worried about lives.

Gig’em
VatoLocoAggie
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I agree that we cannot afford to lose another life to a bonfire incident to include a "freak incident."

To have it happen once is one thing that we can overcome with sadness and time. For it to happen again, will be too devastating to overcome.

I trust in our university senior leaders and I am sure the best decision will be made.
AggieDave02
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I'm going to get piled on for this but...

just hire an aggie contractor to build it ... ya, ya, i loved building it when i was there, but it wasn't all good bull. if you haven't read the red pot diaries in cushing library, go over there and sit down for a while, and you'll see some of the bad side of bonfire ... VERY misogynistic, for one. look, like i said, i enjoyed building bonfire ... it inspired a lot of camaraderie, but i won't miss all of it. we can still have a fun night with the band playing and the logs burning, but students might not be able to build it ... i could live with that. at least its something.
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Dave, no disrespect, but isn't that a bit selfish? You already got to participate when you were a student, so you would now sacrafice current and future students' opportunity to experience the great things about bonfire (and work to fix the bad things), all so that you get to have yell practice with a fire?

Personally, I've gotten to participate in my share of building bonfire already, but I would rather keep things the way they are now than allow the university to pay some company to have one more construction project uglying up campus every year and pretend it's Aggie Bonfire. If that's the way things are going to go, let the tradition die and be done with it.

We don't build bonfire to burn it, we burn it so we can build it again next year.
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it inspired a lot of camaraderie, but i won't miss all of it. we can still have a fun night with the band playing and the logs burning, but students might not be able to build it ... i could live with that. at least its something.


Easy for someone that got to build it to say.
Keegan99
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Bonfire is great but no matter what precautions are followed it is still dangerous. The university isn’t worried about lawsuits they are worried about lives.


The same could be said for football. Heat deaths, paralysis, concussions, debilitating injuries... all not-too-rare occurrences.

But of course football is a many million dollar a year enterprise, so that makes the risk to participating students justifiable.

[This message has been edited by Keegan99 (edited 10/6/2009 1:02p).]
earman11
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The design and procedure of the current student bonfire's stack is 10 times safer than pre '99 ways. Especially once you factor in the zero tolerance policy for alcohol.

So yes, it's like having an A&M Pistol team or as mentioned many times, a football team when you talk about the chances of an accident to occur.
Elides
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Tell me more about the OP's contention that the university says he can't post anything about Bonfire on Facebook.

?????
chadr03
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I'm completely torn on this issue, I have been since the day stack fell. I was on stack when it fell. The first thought that popped though my head when I hit the ground was, "Man that's gonna be a pain in the butt to put back up." I figured I was in a pretty bad spot and if I was relatively in good shape then everyone else should be too, but once I figured out the severity of the situation reality stuck that I was a lucky one. There is absolutely no reason to ever be in that situation again, but that being said there is absolutely nothing that can unite and bring together a student body like the blood, sweat, and tears it takes to build the nearly unimaginable structure that was Bonfire just to burn it down, and build it again the next year.

I have no issues with the administration trying to keep it down, I can't say I wouldn't do the same if I were in their shoes, but I can say I absolutely loved it and was out at cut every weekend, unload nearly every day, stack every assigned shift, finding cross ties, setting center pole... It was a unique experience that cannot be replicated, or replaced.

That being said having an on campus bonfire built by contractors other than students is no bonfire at all, it's just a stack of burning wood. Don't do it.

As for Student Bonfire. It was in its infancy when I was in my last semester. I did not participate in it, it just never drew me like the on campus version did. The younger folks from my dorm participated, and it was good to see that tradition passed down (until my dorm was turned into a fish dorm). I have heard that the stack is a safer design. I still have to say be safe, and know that you are dealing with a huge structure and make sure there is some professional over site. That is all.

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I just started going to A&M last year, and never got to experience Bonfire as the rest of my family are longhorn fans. I don't have as much experience as other people who either lived through it or grew up with it.

I've heard people ask though what would the 12 who died say if we brought it back, or what would happen if more died. Well, I think the 12 who died would be happy if it was brought back. I don't see how any Aggie who was working on something like that would want to be the reason the spirit no longer burns. Yes, A&M built a memorial to the student's, and their names will always be etched in stone.

Though I have a feeling a lot more people would remember the names of those who died if every year their names were called out before lighting the bonfire, and each year 12 students were chosen in memory of those 12 to light the fire. Instead of letting the spirit of those who died lay in stone, we should let them burn freely.

Hell, I know when I die, I want my family and friends to celebrate my life and drink up and tell stories about me rather than just let me fade away.
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Mlambert77- That's a good point/idea about having each name called before Bonfire is lit, and having 12 specially selected students to light the stack. You should definitely pass those ideas on to Student Bonfire. I don't ever see A&M holding it again because they fear the risk and if it were to be held on campus again, the media would be all over themm asking questions about why they are holding it knowing there was an accident. It would make themselves look bad (which is why it partly wasn't held before the lawsuits were finished). I really don't think the Board of Regents care about tradition, no disrespect, but they have yet to show any. In all honesty, the traditions that A&M are known for are for students, especially Bonfire. Bonfire has always been and still is run by students...just not on land owned by A&M. It's the tradition and spirit within each student that participates that makes Bonfire so strong and how they are very proud to be part of it. The University is a College that brings students in...it's Aggie students that hold/participate in the traditions, that's why it's an Aggie tradition..not A&M tradition. Without the students, there would be no College (well it would be a very small one). As long as Bonfire is built by students, for students...the tradition and spirit behind is there.
Mayra.Loera.Music
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it's Aggie students that hold/participate in the traditions, that's why it's an Aggie tradition..not A&M tradition. Without the students, there would be no College (well it would be a very small one). As long as Bonfire is built by students, for students...the tradition and spirit behind is there.


Couldn't have said that better myself. We don't have to wait for a board to decide whether or not this tradition will continue/die.. If we continue to build it together..the tradition lives on..


"All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff." -Frank Zappa
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that's why it's an Aggie tradition..not A&M tradition.


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We don't have to wait for a board to decide whether or not this tradition will continue/die..


BOTH extremely well-said.
Mayra.Loera.Music
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Thank you agcoop10

"All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff." -Frank Zappa
commando2004
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VatoLocoAggie,

Yes, there was a lawsuit. For several years, it was A&M's official reason for not having Bonfire.
hbc07
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Im told by a friend that he cant post anything about bonfire on facebook anymore about http:bringbonfireback.com


maybe i'm missing something since i haven't posted on the bonfire board in two or so years...

how is the university preventing someone from talking about bonfire (or bringbonfireback.com) on facebook?
commando2004
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how is the university preventing someone from talking about bonfire (or bringbonfireback.com) on facebook?


Beats me. Unless they're an RA.
Howdy101
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Chadr03- I talked with several students today and asked them if they were going to Bonfire this year. About 1 or 2 said they weren't going because "it's not the same." I told them, so Bonfire has been the same for over 90 years...exact same design, location, etc...? They said "well, no." Bonfire is never the same thing every year. Back in the 1940s, '50s, the crowd wasn't as big, it was a different location, different design, etc...People have go to brake way from that and understand that Bonfire has changed a lot over the years. The whole purpose of Bonfire is the cut and stack...burning it is a ceremonial event to bring everyone together to cherish the beautiful structure and build up themselves to get ready for the A&M vs t.u. game. People that worked on the stack need to get out and explain to those who don't know very much about it so they understand why Bonfire is so important and means so much...so much that it's still being held to this day even though an accident happened. The odds of the University letting students build it on campus again is unlikely, so we should focus the attention on Student Bonfire, who has proven year after year that this can be done safely. The new design of having every log touch the ground but having it resemble the "wedding cake" design is great. Student Bonfire has made Bonfire MUCH safer.
commando2004
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[This message has been edited by commando2004 (edited 10/21/2009 8:50p).]
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