The Saturday before is a much better date. Competing with a Midnight Yell the night before (Thanksgiving) is a losing battle. I tend to stand on the side of direct commute to the Memorial after Burn being an immense positive. It is going to require an extreme example of classlessness and general a$$hattery behavior-wise of distinctive/representative members (of levels which I like to think no Aggie can sink to) to have Burn somehow ruin the 2:42 remembrance gathering.

And as for the sheer timing being a conflict, last year it was a 11/18 issue which I could consider possessing more gravity, but this year I feel it is an opportunity for SB to forge a direct bond, even if just emotionally and out of respect, with Bonfires of the past and its passionate populations. Is it the same? Nope. Is it similar? I don't see how anyone could say it isn't. Was (and is) SB (and its predecessors) inspired by past fires? Absolutely

a "horrible decision" and "not a bad idea" can both happen simultaneously. T-5 being chosen over T is a horrible decision if you ask me, but burning on T-5 is not a bad idea at the same time...now, burning on 12-7 would be both...

next time get definitions.

and no, the game is not set.

50 hrs/wk is nothing...and if 10 over 40 gives you more say, I'm curious what 100 over 40 would give me...

No T, and I mean no disrespect by this, but you really don't know anything first, or even secondhand.

you work 140 hours a week? Forgive me, I never should have questioned you.

I refuse to argue with you about when the football game is, the meaning of "horrible", or any other such nonsense. I know what you said, I know what you meant.

Crap man, that's 20 hrs a day 7 days a week. What did you use your college education for?

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If your event has such a great potential to be offensive simply based on the night on which it occurs, perhaps you have bigger problems than scheduling, whadda ya think?

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Although I don't think that's necessarily a valid generalization... in this case, you are
correct.

I understand the conflict with yell practice, but you can't please everyone. At some point you just have to ignore someone, and it seems to me you've chosen to ignore the families and convinced yourself they don't care.

Found a great job with a lot of potential to use what I learned...

...except they don't know what an Ag Engineer does and don't exactly believe that I can do what I say...

...applying to a few others as we speak...places with established engineering departments.

So by sharing my opinion with the majority of others by thinking that 11/17 would be the best night for burn, I'm insulting and ignorning the families and victims of the tragedy in '99? Does that make any sense to you or anybody?

Look, it's not like we're having a pagan festival of lights here fellas, it's bonfire. And in a weird way, in my mind, it sort of pays homage to those who died and those injured to still keep truckin and push on in the face of adversity...doing what's BEST for bonfire.

The idea that an 11/17 burn is INSULTING and DEGRADING to families and victims is an absurd notion. I have the utmost respect and have the deepest sympathies for those involved or affected in any way by the tragedy, and I can say with total confidence that I don't find this to be degrading in any way. Honoring them and keeping them in our hearts is the best we can do, and how does this better pay respects to their memory than by participating in something they literally died for and then going out to A&M's most sacred spot to pay respects? You guys have lost your mind, keep things in perspective here...

And Rebel, I'm glad you've realized what your potential is. But tell us how in the world you're managing a 140 hour work week.

i've said it once and i'll say it again. square, you are a complete idiot. keep running your mouth... you do more harm for yourself than i could ever do.

By saying what? You've called me a complete idiot twice now, but you haven't said why really. What could I have possibly said, especially in my last post, to make you think I'm a complete idiot?

I won't even pass a judgement on how you make yourself look by saying those sort of things. Just tell me what exactly makes me out to be an idiot in what I just said.

8am: get to work
8am - 4am: work while praying for rain so they can't harvest the next day. Sometimes finding a place to take a hidden snooze while all of the machines are in proper working order.
4am: head home and sleep

Repeat

Oh yeah...140 weeks aren't bad...I actually worked something similar last fall...*hint hint*

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uhmm well that was weird and pretty confusing, but ok.

You keep on with you 140 hour a week, 8am-4am shifts while praying for rain...

Thanks for your detailed analysis on your 140 hr weeks [/sarcasm]

So, again, did you really go to college to get a job where you have to work 140 hr weeks? I really must know. Very interesting...

If there is truth to this 140 hour work week, then it doesn't matter when burn is, he won't be able to make it. So...no opinion on your part.

$ is cool. Lots is cooler

140 hours a week = not cool.
140 hours a week = slave who couldn't get a better job with their college degree.

hth

Okay boys - can we stop with the personal attacks and get back to the subject at hand?

I'll be at bonfire on the 17th and if I can stay awake long enough (I'm old - it's tough for me) I'll be at the memorial at 2:42. I've never been able to make that before and think we should all experience it. I'll be the old lady blubbering - I still cry when we visit the site. I have an autographed copy of Mrs. Kerlee's book and have not been able to read it yet.

Who else will make one or the other - or preferably both?

I'll be at both.


Scott Coker '92

should be able to make both, especially because the date and time of burn is not so convenient for all Aggies, but also that the date and time make it possible to be at the memorial as well.

sure...attack the guy that doesn't have much time to post...

Unless it rains out the harvest...

The intent of this thread was too see how many people would have to make a decision to either go to Bonfire or go to the footabll game...

both, and neither are not helpful.

I haven't seen anybdoy but you have to make that decision, so it would seem, like it's been said time and time again, that 11/17 is gonna be a good date.

Both.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you can read this in English, thank a Soldier.

Both for me too!

Bonfire must join with midnight yell or become a distant memory.

One day you must decide.

Both

Hopefully this will get some of my buddies out to the memorial...I was sad to see only 5 of the 29 there last year. Getting college kids out at 2:42 is a lot easier when they've spent the whole night at bonfire anyway. Half my buddies didn't even get to go to bonfire last year because there was a test for basically all the freshman engineers that night...I think this date's going to work out for the best, even if it makes it difficult for some to come.

very true Tag. The tie to the university must be restored and be more than a relatively small group of students building a fire "like they used to" out someplace past Hearne, TX.

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Please stop talking on here.

is there no truth to that statement?

Shouldn't you be at work for another 10 hours or so?

And here's an extra post for your most excellent display of sour grapes all over this thread.

..still supporting the 11/17 burn and all it has to offer Aggie past and present.

I think that the Saturday burn is infinitely better than a Tuesday one--although I understand that reasons for last year's date. And, I'll be at both, and I won't have to compromise a University event or rush through tests to get out there this year.

Reading this forum topic has made me think of some things I would like to share. Rest assured these are my own opinions and do not reflect the views and opinions held by Student Bonfire Inc.

As for getting on board with yell practice-great idea, sure would love to see it materialize, but think at this date in time. Now, as the century is a better part of a decade old, and the same for the abscence of Fightin' Texas Aggie Bonfire (pre '99), the university has changed their value systems and methods of doing business. Long gone are the days of the majority of students coming from an agrarian background; we are in the daddy's lexus crowd now. The Bonfire that is currently built is done with the heart and tradition of the old school in the realm of the new. This presents problems, and as each class comes through more change sets in. The MAIN question that needs to be addressed: Is Bonfire worth continuing as it is now in its pure form, or will it foster the same growth as a "pep rally". The latter might seem blasphemous to the old way, but there is not much of the old way to nurture. Where this effects Student Bonfire: Continue to keep the faith and build as they are with the students that care, or do something that the university agrees with that has the potential and ability to include the campus population. Just my $.02.

What is popular is not always right
What is right is not always popular

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is there no truth to that statement?

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None. Bonfire is built like they build it now. Lessons were learned from the bad and those ways have been expelled or addressed. The good has been adopted and adapted. This is not saying that Student Bonfire is perfect, but there is no truth to the derogatory way you used the phrase "like they used to".

None? Whatsoever? So there is no legacy whatsoever that is carried on from the days prior to 1999? No similarities or anything carried on from the original Bonfire? Really? Because I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that.

Oh yeah, and last year, it was out past Hearne, remember?

No truth to that statement, or you see no truth in it because it was I who said it? It's becoming more and more clear to me that you know no objectivity and that most of your responses, at least in this thread, are driven primarily by your disdain for me.

Get over it.

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read much?

I think that a small problem exsists with interpritation rebel. If you do automatically assume "like they used to" means late 90s(high levels of alcohol, wide spread "cult" mentality, etc...) it is negative. If you think WAY back(good ol' boys, hard core mentality, safety considered, continued supervision), my interpritation, I like the lable.

Now, neither you nor I know how he meant it, but sometimes we should seek positive before banging someone down.

I personally, over time, have decided that square has some good points, and overall, an interest in the success of the fire. I do however, often disagree with his approaches.



70 days and counting..

Hrmmmmm

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it was the 80 hr weeks with a 40 hour paycheck that I didn't like.

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