Was sola scriptura first refuted in 431 AD by St. Vincent of Lerins?

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Apologies in advance for the length. This is as summary as I can make it and still share the relevant point.

I cobbled this together from various online sources after listening to an excellent podcast on sola scriptura wherein one of the podcasters referred to St. Vincent's book The Commonitorium. It got me curious so I did some quick research and thought I would share the results.

First, who was Vincent of Lerins? He was a French monk who lived in the early 400s. When Vincent was born is unknown. His death occurred sometime between A.D. 434 and 450. He belonged to a monastery on the Island of St. Honorat, one of the Lrins Islands off the southern coast of France.

One of the controversies of his time was the Pelagian controversy, which centered on questions of grace, free will, predestination and original sin. The two poles of this debate were the British monk Pelagius and the North African bishop St. Augustine of Hippo. Pelagius stressed free will, minimizing the role of grace and St. Augustine did the reverse.

Some of those who were not fully satisfied with the positions proposed by either Pelagius or Augustine advocated middle positions, some of which were later deemed heretical and referred to as "semi-Pelagianism." Keep in mind that Vincent wrote The Commonitorium three years after the Council of Ephesus declared that the Blessed Virgin Mary can be referred to as the Theotokos (Greek, "God-Bearer" or "Mother of God"). Between the Theotokos controversy and the Pelagian controversy, the topic of whether developments of doctrine were legitimate or heretical was a hot topic in the church.

Like many in France at this time, Vincent has been regarded as a semi-Pelagian, but it is unclear what his exact position was. Further, since semi-Pelagianism had not been condemned in his day, he was not blocked from later being regarded as a saint.

On to the book, in AD 434, three years after the Council of Ephesus and 17 years before the Council of Chalcedon, he wrote The Commonitorium under the pseudonym Peregrinus (Latin for pilgrim). Commonitorium is Latin for remembrances or warnings. Taken from an online description of the book:
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"A classic text affirming the authority of Scripture and the teachings of the Church Fathers, The Commonitorium was written as a "reminder," in an effort to preserve the authority of the Christian tradition. Citing Deuteronomy 32:7 ("ask thy father and he will show thee; thy elders and they will tell thee"), St. Vincent notes that "to commit to writing such things as I have faithfully received from the holy fathers, would be a work of no small utility." The Commonitorium is his effort to do soa theological treatise in which he affirms authentic Christian teaching and advocates the necessity of interpreting Scripture under the authority of the Church and her tradition. An important window into Christian thought between the Council of Ephesus and the Council of Chalcedon, The Commonitorium is rich with historical and theological insights; it's the source the well-known definition of orthodoxy as "that which has been believed in the Church everywhere, always, by everyone."
In the fourth chapter of The Commonitorium, undoubtedly influenced by the hot topics of the time, St. Vincent muses about who has the proper authority to interpret Scripture. His musings sound very modern. He wonders if there is a principle to properly discern between orthodoxy (right belief) and the "falsehood of heresy."
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"I have continually given the greatest pains and diligence to inquiring, from the greatest possible number of men outstanding in holiness and in doctrine, how I can secure a kind of fixed and, as it were, general and guiding principle for distinguishing the true Catholic Faith from the degraded falsehoods of heresy…?"
St. Vincent then addresses the inherent challenge of scriptural interpretation and how the improper use of Scripture can lead some down a heretical path. As a result, he concludes that all Scriptural interpretation must accord with that of the Catholic Church.
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"Here, it may be, someone will ask, 'Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and is in itself abundantly sufficient, what need is there to join to it the interpretation of the Church?' The answer is that because of the very depth of Scripture all men do not place one identical interpretation upon it. The statements of the same writer are explained by different men in different ways, so much so that it seems almost possible to extract from it as many opinions as there are men.

Novatian expounds in one way, Sabellius in another, Donatus in another, Arius, Eunomius and Macedonius in another, Photinus, Apollinaris and Priscillian in another, Jovinian, Pelagius and Caelestius in another, and latterly Nestorius in another. Therefore, because of the intricacies of error, which is so multiform, there is great need for the laying down of a rule for the exposition of Prophets and Apostles in accordance with the standard of the interpretation of the Church Catholic."
It is interesting to note that St. Vincent seems to think the canon is settled by AD 434.

Finally, he then reaffirms this interpretive principle for all possible theological issues that may arise. One can turn to the Church Fathers, but even these "opinions" must be in line with, and in continuation and communion with, the Catholic Church.
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"But what if some error arises regarding which nothing of this sort is to be found? Then he must do his best to compare the opinions of the Fathers and inquire their meaning, provided always that, though they belonged to diverse times and places, they yet continued in the faith and communion of the one Catholic Church;"
Ironically, but somewhat poetically, this approach caused what MIGHT have been his views on the Pelagian controversy to later be declared out of bounds.

Here's a link to the full chapter 4 of The Commonitorium if you're interested in reading it for yourself: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/ancient/434lerins-canon.asp

We can see from his comments above, sola scriptura and its necessary concomitant principle of the right of private judgment were not unheard of in the ancient church. In fact, they are at the very heart of what the ancient church authoratively declared to be heresy. St. Vincent is clearly addressing them in chapter 4. The interpretative principle he promotes regarding the questions of who can properly interpret Scripture is perhaps the earliest formal warning against sola scriptura. So, the practice of sola scripture was not merely a 16th century innovation used to codify the divergent theological beliefs of the Reformers. On the contrary, sola scriptura and the necessary principle of the right of private judgment ARE the historical modus operandi for the justification for ALL theological beliefs that diverge from those held by the historic Church. The ONLY legitimacy both early heretics and later Protestant Reformers had for their beliefs were found in their ability to use "Scripture alone" and their "right of private judgment" to justify those beliefs. Without "Scriptural support," their beliefs were merely unauthoritative opinion and held no weight.

The date of Commonitorium also gives it weight from a historical perspective in the assessment of sola scriptura. The Commonitorium's proximity to the Council of Ephesus (431 AD) and St. Vincent's listing in it of all the major heretics of the early Church up to his own time (Nestorius) speak to this. He is showing us how the common unifying factor among the heresies is how they all rely on Scripture alone, and a misinterpretation of that Scripture, correctable only by the church.
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I don't think sola scriptura means what you characterized it as. It's just that any subsequent teaching of the church is subordinate to the Scriptures. Not that they have no merit or authority at all. The Reformers not only quote the Scriptures, but also the church fathers.
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Thanks for that. It is amazing to me how much effect Augustine had on the Western church. It is like all the other church fathers and saints were relegated to second class status.

And then Calvin doubled down and went much further with his new doctrines on election and double predestination.

Just think if St. Gregory of Nyssa had become the dominant voice.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

I don't think sola scriptura means what you characterized it as. It's just that any subsequent teaching of the church is subordinate to the Scriptures. Not that they have no merit or authority at all. The Reformers not only quote the Scriptures, but also the church fathers.

From my readings, they quote the church fathers when they agree with them. Calvin relied basically 100% on Augustine to base his theology. He just carried it further.
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That's not true. Even if it was, I guess it proves my point that what "Protestant Reformers had for their beliefs were found in their ability to use 'Scripture alone' and their 'right of private judgment' to justify those beliefs" is false.

Don't you go to a non-denominational church? Are you of the opinion that the Roman Catholic church is infallible in their interpretation of Scripture?
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dermdoc said:

Thanks for that. It is amazing to me how much effect Augustine had on the Western church. It is like all the other church fathers and saints were relegated to second class status.

And then Calvin doubled down and went much further with his new doctrines on election and double predestination.

Just think if St. Gregory of Nyssa had become the dominant voice.
Doc, just curious where you fall in the sola scriptura debate?

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Thanks for sharing the material
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Martin Q. Blank said:

That's not true. Even if it was, I guess it proves my point that what "Protestant Reformers had for their beliefs were found in their ability to use 'Scripture alone' and their 'right of private judgment' to justify those beliefs" is false.

Don't you go to a non-denominational church? Are you of the opinion that the Roman Catholic church is infallible in their interpretation of Scripture?
I do not believe anyone is infallible in their interpretation of Scripture. But Sola Scriptura for most adherents is Sola Augustine, Calvin, or Luther.

And I guess your readings are different than mine. Calvin almost exclusively used Augustine. Luther quoted some Jerome.

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But Sola Scriptura for most adherents is Sola Augustine, Calvin, or Luther.

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10andBOUNCE said:

dermdoc said:

Thanks for that. It is amazing to me how much effect Augustine had on the Western church. It is like all the other church fathers and saints were relegated to second class status.

And then Calvin doubled down and went much further with his new doctrines on election and double predestination.

Just think if St. Gregory of Nyssa had become the dominant voice.
Doc, just curious where you fall in the sola scriptura debate?


I believe in Sola Scriptura and the priesthood of the believer. But to follow Sola Calvin, Sola Luther, or Sola Augustine is no different than following the Pope.

My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ. And I have been taught some horrible things growing up in the Baptist church about Catholics which are not true.

It is about God. Not us or any other man.
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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
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Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
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dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
I see. You're a Protestant and you're defending their beliefs against other Protestants?
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Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
I mean, we have evangelicals trying to "convert" Catholics and Orthodox. Crazy town.
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Dr. Venkman said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
I see. You're a Protestant and you're defending their beliefs against other Protestants?
I am a Christian who loves the Lord, the Nicene Creed, and unity. We basically believe the same thing in different ways,

Satan loves division.
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dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
I see. You're a Protestant and you're defending their beliefs against other Protestants?
I am a Christian who loves the Lord, the Nicene Creed, and unity. We basically believe the same thing in different ways,

Satan loves division.

Just a genuine question on your opinion on one of the articles in the creed. As a non-denominational Christian, what do you make of the "apostolic church" article and how does it relate to Protestantism on a broad scale?
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dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
I see. You're a Protestant and you're defending their beliefs against other Protestants?
I am a Christian who loves the Lord, the Nicene Creed, and unity. We basically believe the same thing in different ways,

Satan loves division.
By Protestant I mean you are not a member of the Catholic or Orthodox church.
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TeddyAg0422 said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
I see. You're a Protestant and you're defending their beliefs against other Protestants?
I am a Christian who loves the Lord, the Nicene Creed, and unity. We basically believe the same thing in different ways,

Satan loves division.

Just a genuine question on your opinion on one of the articles in the creed. As a non-denominational Christian, what do you make of the "apostolic church" article and how does it relate to Protestantism on a broad scale?
The entire church is apostolic. Protestant churches would not exist without it. But I do not want to make that a divisive point.

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Dr. Venkman said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

dermdoc said:

Dr. Venkman said:

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My defense of the Catholic and Orthodox churches is based upon my belief that we are all brothers/sisters in Christ.
Those are the two largest denominations in the world. Why do you feel like they need defending?
They do not. I love them. I was just informing why I post the way I do.
I see. You're a Protestant and you're defending their beliefs against other Protestants?
I am a Christian who loves the Lord, the Nicene Creed, and unity. We basically believe the same thing in different ways,

Satan loves division.
By Protestant I mean you are not a member of the Catholic or Orthodox church.
We are all in the church of Jesus Christ.
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I'm Orthodox trying to convert Catholics and Protestants. Everyone should be Orthodox.
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Zobel said:

I'm Orthodox trying to convert Catholics and Protestants. Everyone should be Orthodox.
It is truly surreal watching Christians trying to convert Christians. I could have made millions.

Or written a book about Revelation like Left Behind.
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Orthodox in doctrine or belonging to the Orthodox Church?
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In the end that's the same thing
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10andBOUNCE said:

Orthodox in doctrine or belonging to the Orthodox Church?
It is the same
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Martin Q. Blank said:

I don't think sola scriptura means what you characterized it as. It's just that any subsequent teaching of the church is subordinate to the Scriptures. Not that they have no merit or authority at all. The Reformers not only quote the Scriptures, but also the church fathers.



Leaving the question of interpretation.
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I just want to be in communion with everyone.
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Zobel said:

I just want to be in communion with everyone.
You know that is what I am not saying my friend
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Martin Q. Blank said:

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But Sola Scriptura for most adherents is Sola Augustine, Calvin, or Luther.


Sure it does. People are reading Scripture through a preconceived lens. They are twisting Scripture to fit their theology.

As an example, Scripture clearly states God desires all men to be saved. And because that does not fit with Calvinist theology, the Calvinist theologians have to either add words or something else to make it fit.

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Sure it does. People are reading Scripture through a preconceived lens. They are twisting Scripture to fit their theology.
Well that would not be Sola Scriptura, would it?
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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Sure it does. People are reading Scripture through a preconceived lens. They are twisting Scripture to fit their theology.
Well that would not be Sola Scriptura, would it?
Exactly. That is what I am trying to say.
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I'm guessing you don't have a preconceived lens? You just get the "clear" and "plain" meaning.
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no one has that lens as an individual.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

I'm guessing you don't have a preconceived lens? You just get the "clear" and "plain" meaning.

I have a preconceived lens and admit it. Why the snarkiness? We are brothers in Christ,
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I didn't mean to be snarky. I read your post as others have it, but you don't. When you said "they are twisting Scripture to fit their theology." If you admit you twist Scripture to fit your theology too, we're good.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

I didn't mean to be snarky. I read your post as others have it, but you don't. When you said "they are twisting Scripture to fit their theology." If you admit you twist Scripture to fit your theology too, we're good.

Then we are good. I try not to twist Scripture but I am sure I do.
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