Catholic VP Vance: Catholic Bishops concerned about bottom line

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Ouch

https://nypost.com/2025/01/26/us-news/jd-vance-hits-conference-of-catholic-bishops-over-ice-raids-in-churches-criticism/

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JD Vance has blistering response for Catholic bishops who criticized ICE raids in churches: 'Worried about their bottom line'

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Stop please!!!!

I can only like the guy so dang much.
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In other news, JD Vance will be running for president in 2028.
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JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.
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Like what was stated in the thread about Vatican City and regulating migrant entry... too little is being said by Church leadership on the duties of the migrants themselves (e.g. to obey the laws of their prospective home, which includes entry criteria and process). Too little is being said by Church leadership on the rights & duties of the state to regulate borders and immigration in service to the common good of the area in which they govern.

There is a connection between the USCCB, various Catholic NGOs, and the federal government with respect to the flow of money. There appears to be a conflict of interest here, especially in light of collection plate donations having dropped off for various reasons (e.g. lack of orthodoxy, clerical abuse & coverups, lack of will to clean up liturgical and especially Eucharistic abuse, etc...).

We are starting to see the faithful loudly remind our bishops to act like bishops and our priests to act like priests.
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PabloSerna said:

In other news, JD Vance will be running for president in 2028.
No *****..
Captain Pablo
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PabloSerna said:

In other news, JD Vance will be running for president in 2028.


Can't wait to vote for him!

Or DeSantis

Either one
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The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
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Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.
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The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.


That doesn't answer my question.
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Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.


That doesn't answer my question.
The church does not get a free pass for harboring criminals.
Sapper Redux
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Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.


That doesn't answer my question.
The church does not get a free pass for harboring criminals.


That still doesn't answer my question.
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Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.


That doesn't answer my question.
People who entered the country illegally and are not American citizens would not be members of the flock of the United States Conference of Catholic bishops, no. They would technically be under the guidance of the bishop of wherever they came from.

Not that your question remotely matters. It is not the place of the USCCB to speak out against the lawful deportation of illegal immigrants, especially since the Catholic Church recognizes the power of a nation to do this. The USCCB has no reason to and should not be protesting lawful law enforcement work(especially when doing so goes against the teachings of the Church) which is why I said they should stay out of politics.
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The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.


That doesn't answer my question.
People who entered the country illegally and are not American citizens would not be members of the flock of the United States Conference of Catholic bishops, no. They would technically be under the guidance of the bishop of wherever they came from.

Not that your question remotely matters. It is not the place of the USCCB to speak out against the lawful deportation of illegal immigrants, especially since the Catholic Church recognizes the power of a nation to do this. The USCCB has no reason to and should not be protesting lawful law enforcement work(especially when doing so goes against the teachings of the Church) which is why I said they should stay out of politics.


You're saying the Catholic Church is based on modern nation state lines and not based on ministering to the people who come to them? Should they not have concerns about how the law is enforced and who gets harmed in the process?
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Should they not have concerns about how the law is enforced and who gets harmed in the process?
It rarely ends well when they do. History says they should tread lightly.
Sapper Redux
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Martin Q. Blank said:

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Should they not have concerns about how the law is enforced and who gets harmed in the process?
It rarely ends well when they do. History says they should tread lightly.


So your position is that they should have done less to resist the fascists in the 30s and 40s and the communists after?
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Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

Sapper Redux said:

The Marksman said:

JD Vance hit that one out of the park. The USCCB should stay out of politics and focus on their duty of shepherding the flock.


Are immigrants not part of their flock?
America has a right to protect its sovereign borders and deport those who enter the country illegally. Nothing about that is contrary to Catholic teaching, but keep up your schtick.


That doesn't answer my question.
People who entered the country illegally and are not American citizens would not be members of the flock of the United States Conference of Catholic bishops, no. They would technically be under the guidance of the bishop of wherever they came from.

Not that your question remotely matters. It is not the place of the USCCB to speak out against the lawful deportation of illegal immigrants, especially since the Catholic Church recognizes the power of a nation to do this. The USCCB has no reason to and should not be protesting lawful law enforcement work(especially when doing so goes against the teachings of the Church) which is why I said they should stay out of politics.


You're saying the Catholic Church is based on modern nation state lines and not based on ministering to the people who come to them? Should they not have concerns about how the law is enforced and who gets harmed in the process?
Yes, the Catholic Church geographically divides dioceses and archdioceses according to national borders.

And here you are making up nonsense and putting words in my mouth. Never in my posts did I say that the USCCB should not minister to illegal immigrants; they are people too, made in the image and likeness of God, and should be treated with dignity and respect. That does not mean that they should be allowed to enter the country illegally, something the Church recognizes, and it certainly does not mean that they cannot be deported, again something that the Church recognizes. The USCCB's comments on this matter were at best reckless and irresponsible and at worst contradict Church teaching that the USA has the right to protect their borders and deport those who enter the country criminally and illegally.

That will be my last post on the matter. I am not going to continue to interact with someone like you who is clearly posting in bad faith and is trying to start a big argument. You seek to create controversy where there should be none. Good day.
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It's always interesting when people engage and when they don't. I think we can recognize something is legal without being ethical. Or legal and ethical but not implemented in an ethical manner. And I would think a Catholic would recognize the concerns the Church has about the potential harm and abuse in a push to round up human beings by force and expel them.
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Sapper Redux said:

Martin Q. Blank said:

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Should they not have concerns about how the law is enforced and who gets harmed in the process?
It rarely ends well when they do. History says they should tread lightly.
So your position is that they should have done less to resist the fascists in the 30s and 40s and the communists after?
What position?
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Any group who stood by silently while Joe Biden energetically promoted an egregiously unjust law allowing the murder of unborn babies and continued to allow him to receive communion with practically not even a subtle rebuke has very little moral persuasion to complain about the legitimacy of enforcing an entirely just law.

And then there's this:


And this:
https://www.complicitclergy.com/2025/01/24/bought-and-paid-for-2-9-billion-reasons-bishops-hate-trump-but-loved-biden/

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"The Biden administration granted Catholic NGOs nearly $2.9 billion in immigration-related funding over the past four years. That's more than TRIPLE the level of funding under Trump's first administration and nearly DOUBLE the amount awarded under the Obama administration over the course of EIGHT YEARS!"

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Archbishop Broglio's statement follows:

"In the United States, we are fortunate to live in a democracy and yesterday Americans went to the polls to choose who should lead our country as the next President of the United States. I congratulate President-elect Trump, as well as the national, state and local officials who campaigned to represent the people. Now, we move from campaigning to governing. We rejoice in our ability to transition peacefully from one government to the next.

"The Catholic Church is not aligned with any political party, and neither is the bishops' conference. No matter who occupies the White House or holds the majority on Capitol Hill, the Church's teachings remain unchanged, and we bishops look forward to working with the people's elected representatives to advance the common good of all. As Christians, and as Americans, we have the duty to treat each other with charity, respect, and civility, even if we may disagree on how to carry out matters of public policy. As a Nation blessed with many gifts we must also be concerned for those outside our borders and eager to offer assistance to all.

"Let us pray for President-elect Trump, as well as all leaders in public life, that they may rise to meet the responsibilities entrusted to them as they serve our country and those whom they represent. Let us ask for the intercession of our Blessed Mother, the patroness of our nation, that she guide to uphold the common good of all and promote the dignity of the human person, especially the most vulnerable among us, including the unborn, the poor, the stranger, the elderly and infirm, and migrants."

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1. It should be noted that legal immigration status is not required to be a parishioner. In fact, registration establishes evidence of one's presence in the United States and can help with documentation. In asking, I was told that the parish records are kept safe in a trust that authorities cannot access.

2. By registering in a parish, Catholics can track their sacraments should they move or be deported.

3. Demonstrates community involvement. Parishioners have the opportunity to volunteer in parish-wide events and should they need a letter of recommendation, the Pastor can provide this document.

I think the reason this is such a charged issue with some is that it is part of the corporal works of mercy, like visiting the imprisoned, housing the homeless, or feeding the hungry - that requires us to dig deep and give out of love for our fellow man in need. It is possible to both control one's borders AND be merciful. That is what the Bishop is saying (above) and not making this out to be some political stance, which is how feel Vice President Vance has done.




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This video is an example of bearing false witness.
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PabloSerna said:

This video is an example of bearing false witness.



Here's something fun to read:

"No matter who occupies the White House or holds the majority on Capitol Hill, the Church's teachings remain unchanged, …". He left off "unless you're Joe Biden or Nancy Posi and vigorously promote murdering unborn children. Then you're free to keep receiving the body, blood, soul divinity of Jesus even though we tell all our other followers that to support those things excommunicates them.
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PabloSerna said:

This video is an example of bearing false witness.



The video of the Catholic Charities person in her own words? What do you think happens if you or I refuse to present identification when asked by a LEO?

In Texas you must provide your name, residence address, and date of birth if you are lawfully detained. You can respectfully decline to provide identification if you are not under arrest or detained.

You can be charged with "Failure to Identify" or "Failure to Display" if you refuse to provide your ID.

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The video is about what rights migrants have not a video about how "evade" the law.
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It appears that Trump has cut off funding for NGOs (including Catholic Charities) for now. Hopefully he sticks to this until CC cleans up their house.

Sapper Redux
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You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
Scoopen Skwert
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Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
And yet I still have no Fs to give!!!

Evil needs to be fought. Even when it comes from a church.
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Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
Time to step up your giving to Catholic charities.
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Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?


No. Please quantify it for us.
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Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
And yet I still have no Fs to give!!!

Evil needs to be fought. Even when it comes from a church.


The innocent people who rely on charities and government services are evil?
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Sapper Redux said:

Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
And yet I still have no Fs to give!!!

Evil needs to be fought. Even when it comes from a church.


The innocent people who rely on charities and government services are evil?
1: There is no human being on this planet that is "innocent." Romans 3:10
2: I'm referring to the evil of the Church to not address the sins of certain politicians and ignoring the sex trafficking with the illegal immigrants.
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Martin Q. Blank said:

Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
Time to step up your giving to Catholic charities.


Well played sir!

Let's be clear. This is a pause, not a permanent ban.
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Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
And yet I still have no Fs to give!!!

Evil needs to be fought. Even when it comes from a church.


The innocent people who rely on charities and government services are evil?
1: There is no human being on this planet that is "innocent." Romans 3:10
2: I'm referring to the evil of the Church to not address the sins of certain politicians and ignoring the sex trafficking with the illegal immigrants.


1. Okay. So that justifies withholding aid from those who need it?
2. So we should cut off help for people who need it and that will… prevent the sex trafficking of desperate people?
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Sapper Redux said:

Scoopen Skwert said:

Sapper Redux said:

You realize how many people this has the potential to harm?
And yet I still have no Fs to give!!!

Evil needs to be fought. Even when it comes from a church.

The innocent people who rely on charities and government services are evil?

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/28/trump-omb-funding-cuts-00200998
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Leavitt insisted that the freeze would not affect federal assistance that goes directly to individuals, such as Social Security benefits and food aid.

But she would not directly answer whether other social service programs that serve people indirectly such as Meals on Wheels and Medicaid would be affected. She dismissed reports of widespread confusion over the scope and impact of the White House order in the wake of its release late on Monday.

This is supposedly the list of programs whose funds are frozen: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000194-ad9c-de9c-a5b6-efbd29400000

Didn't find Meals on Wheels (1 search hit for "meal").

9 hits for Medicaid. But not overall Medicaid program.
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