Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Macarthur said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

You still haven't been able to identify what "broadly European" means. Even Europeans haven't historically thought of themselves as some sort of cultural group.

It seems what you are talking about just centers around whiteness.

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You still haven't been able to identify what "broadly European" means. Even Europeans haven't historically thought of themselves as some sort of cultural group.

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Do you know what Europe is?

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It seems like two of us have asked you and it seems like you're the one that doesn't really understand Europe and it's cultural history.

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It seems what you are talking about just centers around whiteness.

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Found the racist.

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nm. nice gaslighting though.

Mother's side has always been here. Were detribalized from Coahuiltecan people and converted to Christianity by the Spanish.

Through it all, food and certain traditions have remained even into my childhood. This was not some attempt to reject colonization, but rather a way to integrate into a broader system.

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Mother's side has always been here. Were detribalized from Coahuiltecan people and converted to Christianity by the Spanish.

Through it all, food and certain traditions have remained even into my childhood. This was not some attempt to reject colonization, but rather a way to integrate into a broader system.

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I'm sure. Tell me more about how you integrate into a system by retaining and propagating distinct elements that distinguish you from it.

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You still haven't been able to identify what "broadly European" means. Even Europeans haven't historically thought of themselves as some sort of cultural group.

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Do you know what Europe is?

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It seems like two of us have asked you and it seems like you're the one that doesn't really understand Europe and it's cultural history.

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Excellent. Explain to me what Europe's cultural history is. Religion, Art, Philosophy, all of that good stuff.

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so, that's not how it should work. You're the one that has been beating this drum of European culture yet bringing nothing but vagueness.

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does Europe exist?

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Does Asia exist? Are you claiming there is one Asian culture?

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Macarthur said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Macarthur said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Macarthur said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Your argumentation is nihilistic; who cares?

Edit: if this is the epitome of academia and rational thought, I'm grateful it will pass out of existence the next few decades.

It's the exact opposite of "nihilistic." It's saying our nation has always been a tremendous mixture of cultures, languages, beliefs, and people and we are better for it. Nihilistic is believing people must believe the same things to be successful as a society.

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Sapper Redux said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Macarthur said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Yet, here we are still offering the Holy Mass in Latin in 2025. The point isn't about nation qua nation. Or ethnos. But ecclesia. Church. Christendom. A broadly European culture being Catholic. Irish, Spanish, German, Italian, French, etc coming together in a commonality of faith, yet expressed in different ways particular to varying nationalities. Not ethnos, but ecclesia... the new and everlasting covenant.

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Remind me, does everyone follow the same theology in Christianity? Has it been a peaceful faith without major conflicts between adherents of different sects? Or are you papering over differences that existed for centuries and resulted in some heinous conflicts?

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does Europe exist?

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Does Asia exist? Are you claiming there is one Asian culture?

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Are you arguing with yourself? Kinda weird man

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It's always easy to tell when you've been caught in a bull**** argument.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Macarthur said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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AGC said:

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Macarthur said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Macarthur said:

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Yet, here we are still offering the Holy Mass in Latin in 2025. The point isn't about nation qua nation. Or ethnos. But ecclesia. Church. Christendom. A broadly European culture being Catholic. Irish, Spanish, German, Italian, French, etc coming together in a commonality of faith, yet expressed in different ways particular to varying nationalities. Not ethnos, but ecclesia... the new and everlasting covenant.

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Remind me, does everyone follow the same theology in Christianity? Has it been a peaceful faith without major conflicts between adherents of different sects? Or are you papering over differences that existed for centuries and resulted in some heinous conflicts?

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Great to see you acknowledging the works of Satan throughout history. Soon, you'll be great Catholic.

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Just one more example of why Vance was probably right.

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"I think that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops needs to actually look in the mirror a little bit and recognise that when they receive over $100 million to help resettle illegal immigrants, are they [just] worried about humanitarian concerns? Or are they actually worried about their bottom line?" Vance said.

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The USCCB is suing the Trump administration over the loss of funds for refugee resettlement programs.

But … it’s not about the money, ya know. pic.twitter.com/bxETMQ3l5K

— Lepanto Institute (@LepantoInst) February 19, 2025

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Full disclosure here. I am Catholic. I am generally not a fan of the USCCB and how they present themselves or fail to present themselves in US politics and culture. I am not a fan of how they have coddled the sexual predators in the US Catholic church and how they refuse to shut down people like James Martin and how they trend socialist in some of their positions.

But having said all that, if the US government committed to refund expenses that Catholic Charities incurred in helping settle/care for migrants who have been given refugee status, then I think there might be a legitimate cause of action here, but of course, the administration also has a right to properly police how it distributes the money that Congress allocates for these causes. I think what has happened is that the change of administrations and the manner in which the new administration is going to steward the resources of the US taxpayer has resulted in CC getting hung out.

I will speculate and say that I think the Trump admin is suspicious about the refugee status granted to some migrants and is reviewing that and the delay in payments (they are called suspensions by the administration) is creating a major financial crisis for CC.

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Just one more example of why Vance was probably right.

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"I think that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops needs to actually look in the mirror a little bit and recognise that when they receive over $100 million to help resettle illegal immigrants, are they [just] worried about humanitarian concerns? Or are they actually worried about their bottom line?" Vance said.

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The USCCB is suing the Trump administration over the loss of funds for refugee resettlement programs.

But … it’s not about the money, ya know. pic.twitter.com/bxETMQ3l5K

— Lepanto Institute (@LepantoInst) February 19, 2025

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Very curious what Bishop Konderla thinks of this....

Definitely know how IHS "I hate Seitz" thinks.

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So American culture is white/anglo?

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I wouldn't narrow it down to just Anglo, but if you want to use White as a fill in for European, yes. American culture is broadly European.

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Except for much of our food, music, clothing, and sports, which is heavily influenced by African Americans… you know… the basics of culture.

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Is there something about the world "broadly" vs "totally" that is giving you issue?

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Broadly meaning what percentage? Given that you can't at all divorce African Americans from U.S. culture, how do you even claim it's a "European culture."

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How do you make a percentage of culture? How much is country western dancing's roots in the waltz measured against twerking?

Would it be accurate to say that American citizen's country of ancestry was broadly European throughout our history? Of course. Then how would our culture not be broadly European?

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"Broadly European." You realize the idea of Europe as a cohesive whole is something that has come around only in the last 30 years and is seriously contested?

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No I do not realize or agree with that.

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this is my thing w this whole culture thing.

I've yet for anyone to give me a specific description of what American culture is.

And most, like here, seem to have a very narrow (recent) view of what culture is and its influences.

Rather than beat around the bush, I firmly believe there is really no such thing as American culture (I think there are regional cultures). And you've pretty much come right out and said your view of Micah culture is white European. Which is incredibly narrow and silly, IMO.

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I think your investigation is half hearted. There's been an intentional push to distinguish culture from a greater American idea both by African Americans (in the 80s and 90s when ethnic naming became predominant, part of Jesse Jackson's movement) and Hispanics, who retain language, food and more intentionally. When people work to be different because they don't want to be similar to 'white' or 'westernized' culture it doesn't mean one doesn't exist, it means it's being rejected. That's why our country is Balkanized and facing this crisis. It's been smuggled in through universities (what other morons would come up with Latinx as a word), affirmative action, and diversity initiatives. The point is to undermine shared identity so that someone like you can say such things. There were cultural narratives and norms portrayed even in tv shows with shared assumptions about family structure and language. They don't exist now for sure.

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There's never been a singular American culture. There were daily newspapers in German until 1917. There were still Lutheran churches in Missouri conducting services in German until the 1990s and likely later. And Germans arrived in the U.S. in large numbers beginning in the 1840s. These are the European-est Europeans around and they didn't immediately just "blend in." Retaining aspects of culture from the "homeland" is older than the United States itself.

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Arguing against our culture being broadly European by using the Germans as an example.

Brilliant

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The larger point is there is not such thing as "broadly European" because there is no unified notion of European and it minimizes the contributions of African, Hispanic, and Asian communities. The specific example is to point out that there has never been a unified American culture without ethnic distinctiveness even if you drill down to European communities with long ties to the United States. I'm sorry that's too complicated for you to grasp.

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And within Italy, there are different regions. And different cities within those regions, and different neighborhoods, and different apartment buildings, different families, different family members, etc. Italy is just a social construct!

But you're totally not a nihilist.

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What is your definition of nihilism, exactly? Nations are constructs by definition. Modern Italy through the Italian wars of unification is an entity with no historical parallel. It's a construct that included regions which didn't want to be included and was not able to include others. Same with Germany or any modern nation state. And yeah, northern Italians tend to not be fans of southern Italians and visa versa. So what precisely is your argument?