The Vatican responded and said talks are still open. This isn't necessarily an imminent split.

The Banned said:

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The Vatican responded and said talks are still open. This isn't necessarily an imminent split.

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Fr. Pagliarani's sermon from Monday (where the announcement was made) indicated that he hoped for discussion.

Severian the Torturer said:

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Brother they released a handbook drafted by both Bishops and lay Catholics of Germany, that specifically speaks to the blessing of gay and irregular couples.

The most diabolical double speak you could ever imagine, wherein the "spontaneous" blessings are planned ahead of time and include scriptural readings and music.

This is something entirely different from their synods, this is working guideline for pastors and their flock issued by the German episcopate

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I hate the position the Germans put me in, because it looks like I'm trying defend them. The document referenced was a set of guidelines offered by a committee during their synods. It was not officially voted on or instituted. Yes, some bishops and priests are moving forward anyway, but the official "crime" (for lack of a better word) of formally teaching heresy hasn't technically happened.

I do agree this is insidious on their part. They know what they're doing. If I were pope, I doubt I'd be able to restrain my anger and would start handing out excommunications like candy. It's a good thing I'm not pope

747Ag said:

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The Banned said:

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The Vatican responded and said talks are still open. This isn't necessarily an imminent split.

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Fr. Pagliarani's sermon from Monday (where the announcement was made) indicated that he hoped for discussion.

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I think Leo is going to be much more cordial to the trads that our previous pope.

The Banned said:

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747Ag said:

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The Banned said:

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The Vatican responded and said talks are still open. This isn't necessarily an imminent split.

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Fr. Pagliarani's sermon from Monday (where the announcement was made) indicated that he hoped for discussion.

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I think Leo is going to be much more cordial to the trads that our previous pope.

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There's been several glimmers of hope in that regard.

The Banned said:

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Severian the Torturer said:

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Brother they released a handbook drafted by both Bishops and lay Catholics of Germany, that specifically speaks to the blessing of gay and irregular couples.

The most diabolical double speak you could ever imagine, wherein the "spontaneous" blessings are planned ahead of time and include scriptural readings and music.

This is something entirely different from their synods, this is working guideline for pastors and their flock issued by the German episcopate

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I hate the position the Germans put me in, because it looks like I'm trying defend them. The document referenced was a set of guidelines offered by a committee during their synods. It was not officially voted on or instituted. Yes, some bishops and priests are moving forward anyway, but the official "crime" (for lack of a better word) of formally teaching heresy hasn't technically happened.

I do agree this is insidious on their part. They know what they're doing. If I were pope, I doubt I'd be able to restrain my anger and would start handing out excommunications like candy. It's a good thing I'm not pope

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The optics are indeed infuriating and frustrating. Yet, we also know that Rome can act relatively swiftly... see +Strickland.

The Banned said:

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Severian the Torturer said:

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Brother they released a handbook drafted by both Bishops and lay Catholics of Germany, that specifically speaks to the blessing of gay and irregular couples.

The most diabolical double speak you could ever imagine, wherein the "spontaneous" blessings are planned ahead of time and include scriptural readings and music.

This is something entirely different from their synods, this is working guideline for pastors and their flock issued by the German episcopate

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I hate the position the Germans put me in, because it looks like I'm trying defend them. The document referenced was a set of guidelines offered by a committee during their synods. It was not officially voted on or instituted. Yes, some bishops and priests are moving forward anyway, but the official "crime" (for lack of a better word) of formally teaching heresy hasn't technically happened.

I do agree this is insidious on their part. They know what they're doing. If I were pope, I doubt I'd be able to restrain my anger and would start handing out excommunications like candy. It's a good thing I'm not pope

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We fellow Catholics love to assign weight to different documents, and I agree with you that it was merely a set of guidelines and not anything super official, but it did have the approval of the German Bishops who were a member of that synodal session. Anything that has approval from a bishop, actual spoken/written approval, even if not actually issued from the office itself, is extremely problematic.

I believe that the Vatican's document concerning the Blessed Mother as Co-Redemtrix and Mediatrix of All Graces may have been the proverbial " straw that broke the camel's back" for the SSPX. I will say, that I refuse to accept that document.

Mark Fairchild said:

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I believe that the Vatican's document concerning the Blessed Mother as Co-Redemtrix and Mediatrix of All Graces may have been the proverbial " straw that broke the camel's back" for the SSPX. I will say, that I refuse to accept that document.

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What about the document is a problem?

I could not have said it better myself. Thanks!

Interview with the Superior General of the SSPX on reasons for the consecrations and relations with Rome.

https://sspx.org/en/news/interview-superior-general-priestly-society-saint-pius-x-57064

Mark Fairchild said:

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I could not have said it better myself. Thanks!

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God bless you brother