Christian or Muslim?

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whatthehey78
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Which faith is increasing faster? SIAP and TIA
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte

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Rocag
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The statistics say that Islam is growing the fastest, but that growth is driven mainly from higher birth rates in Muslim families compared to Christian families.

I expect Muslim birth rates to drop just like has happened for other populations across the globe. It's happened faster in the more developed parts of the world which has meant Muslim populations in less developed areas haven't been as strongly affected yet.
nortex97
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An interesting perspective could be found in Goldman's writings over the past 15+ years I think. He's been wrong plenty, but declining (especially female) birth rates in islamic countries (which are not desperately poor) is a real issue. The other I think is a subsidization of islamic populations migrating to what was once a set of 'western' nations.

Outside of limited instances in Africa, I don't see any presently booming populations of Christian's, though I think Christianity operates/flourishes more as a resistance than a conquering theology (with notable exceptions of course), as Gibbons basically wrote.
Athanasius
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Just a reminder on accepting birth control:

  • 1930 - Anglican Communion
  • 1931 - Methodist Episcopal Church (via Federal Council of Churches)
  • 1931 - Presbyterian Church (via Federal Council of Churches)
  • 1931 - Congregational Church (via Federal Council of Churches)
  • 1931 - Church of the Brethren (via Federal Council of Churches)
  • 1958 - Anglican Communion (further affirmation)
  • 1961 - National Council of Churches (including Methodist, Presbyterian, and others)
  • 1964 - Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod
  • 1970 - Lutheran Church in America
  • 1970 - Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
  • 1977 - United Church of Christ
  • 2003 - Christian Reformed Church


  • Sapper Redux
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    Catholic families in the U.S. have 2.3 kids per family. Slightly higher than the national average, but hardly some massive number. The obsession with birthrates is tiring. Trying to blame Protestant groups for lower birthrates is just silly.
    Frok
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    I blame car seats, it gets tough beyond 3 kids
    Junction71
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    Pretty easy to have a higher birth rate when you can have 4 wives.
    Sapper Redux
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    Junction71 said:

    Pretty easy to have a higher birth rate when you can have 4 wives.


    I've never met a Muslim man with more than 1 wife and I met a pretty healthy number during my time in the Army. The vast majority of Muslims don't engage in polygamy.
    SoulSlaveAG2005
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    Sapper Redux said:

    Catholic families in the U.S. have 2.3 kids per family. Slightly higher than the national average,



    #747ag,#dadolot,#soulslaveag

    Athanasius
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    Sapper Redux said:

    Catholic families in the U.S. have 2.3 kids per family. Slightly higher than the national average, but hardly some massive number. The obsession with birthrates is tiring. Trying to blame Protestant groups for lower birthrates is just silly.

    Catholics would be much higher, except that, most catholic couples do practice contraception. Just terrible.

    We need to be unified as Christians to fight against this sinful and demonic practice.

    It will strengthen marriage, as well as be good for Christendom and the world.
    Junction71
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    Sapper:
    The Koran allows it but it mostly occurs in muslim-majority nations. Just because you didn't see it means little.
    canadiaggie
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    Junction71 said:

    Sapper:
    The Koran allows it but it mostly occurs in muslim-majority nations. Just because you didn't see it means little.


    Polygamy is incredibly rare in Muslim countries outside of Central Africa, and over there it's common in Christian populations and pagan/traditional African populations as well, because it's a cultural practice.

    Sapper Redux
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    Junction71 said:

    Sapper:
    The Koran allows it but it mostly occurs in muslim-majority nations. Just because you didn't see it means little.


    Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar aren't Muslim-majority countries now?
    Sapper Redux
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    Athanasius said:

    Sapper Redux said:

    Catholic families in the U.S. have 2.3 kids per family. Slightly higher than the national average, but hardly some massive number. The obsession with birthrates is tiring. Trying to blame Protestant groups for lower birthrates is just silly.

    Catholics would be much higher, except that, most catholic couples do practice contraception. Just terrible.

    We need to be unified as Christians to fight against this sinful and demonic practice.

    It will strengthen marriage, as well as be good for Christendom and the world.


    Billions more people is good for the world? Also, I have kids. The idea that having 5-6 more would be good for my marriage is… certainly a debatable claim.
    aggiesherpa
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    What evidence is there that having more kids strengthens marriages?
    aggiesherpa
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    Over the last 10ish years there has been a large movement of Muslims fleeing the middle east and converting to Christianity in Europe. Some good friends of ours were missionaries in Greece ministering to these immigrants/refugees. The stories are amazing.

    Sometimes it's hard for me to see the work that God is doing. But God is in fact working across our world and often in the toughest and most challenging places.
    NoahAg
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    People don't convert to Islam. They are born into it. Plenty of Muslims are converting to Christianity.
    Mr. Thunderclap McGirthy
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    Sapper Redux said:

    Junction71 said:

    Sapper:
    The Koran allows it but it mostly occurs in muslim-majority nations. Just because you didn't see it means little.


    Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar aren't Muslim-majority countries now?

    No comment other than "Kuwait is not a deployment!"
    In Hoc Signo Vinces
    canadiaggie
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    NoahAg said:

    People don't convert to Islam. They are born into it. Plenty of Muslims are converting to Christianity.

    Laughable first two sentences. I say this as a Muslim who finds converts to Islam exceptionally irritating, too, so I actually wish you were right.
    Sapper Redux
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    Champion of Fireball said:

    Sapper Redux said:

    Junction71 said:

    Sapper:
    The Koran allows it but it mostly occurs in muslim-majority nations. Just because you didn't see it means little.


    Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar aren't Muslim-majority countries now?

    No comment other than "Kuwait is not a deployment!"


    I never deployed to Kuwait. But good luck getting anywhere in region via Uncle Sam without spending time in Kuwait.
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