Talking Suicide

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Pro Sandy
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If you have had suicidal thoughts, have a loved one struggling with ideations, or have lost a loved one to suicide, you are not alone.

Suicide is more common than you think. More people in America die by suicide than homicide, at every age group. Around 50,000 will die this year from suicide. More than gun violence, more than car wrecks.

We as the Church need to do more, and not just because September is Suicide Prevention Month. All human life is sacred and taking ones life is not God's design.

By design, the church does several things that help in the fight against suicide.

Community is a major protective factor that churches are fundamental in. Our modern society craves community, but feels lonelier than ever. The church is community. Be connected with your local body and reach out when someone seems isolated.

Proclaim Hope. We have the greatest hope of all, Jesus Christ. No matter what we face in this life, no struggle can take away our hope in eternity. Even Job struggled with this, he cries out that he has lost hope, wishes he was never born, yet still cries out to God for his salvation and to redeem him.

You have a purpose. Our society also feels they lack a purpose. Things like AI and automation can add to this. But we have a purpose, to love God and love our neighbor. To do the will of God. To proclaim His gospel.

We do those things well. Many churches struggle with recognizing mental illness. The people I know who have died by suicide or struggle with ideations dealt with mental illness. I've been in many churches that just say "you depressed? You anxious? Then you lack faith. You just need Jesus." If you have a mental illness, it isn't that easy. Learn about bipolar, PTSD, major depressive disorder, Lewy body dementia, and other mental illnesses that are common in our society and commonly contribute to suicidal ideations. We can help by stopping the stigma with mental health and treatment. We pray for those with physical ailments and take them to the doctor, we should do the same for mental ailments.

Being aware of warning signs of suicide. When someone is struggling, don't be afraid of the awkward conversation. "Are you thinking about suicide?" will not plant the idea in their mind, but give them an opportunity to ask for help.

If you have lost a loved one to suicide, I believe that Jesus weeps with us in our mourning. I also firmly believe that not even suicide can come between us and the love of God (Romans 8:35-39).

Reach out. 988 is 24/7. https://988lifeline.org/

My father-in-law died in 2023 by suicide. He had been suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness. It was short, only about six months from when we noticed a change. We fought for him, long after he stopped fighting. It isn't easy spending hours listening to someone tell you why suicide is the right answer and how they are fully convinced that the reason they need to die is so bad that even Jesus wouldn't love them while I threaten him with being arrested if he won't go with me to the ER. We must be willing to walk into deep dark places in this fight.

At his funeral, we sang "Because He Lives." The irony in singing it at the funeral of someone who died by their own hand because they couldn't face tomorrow is not lost on me. He knew Christ lives, but he couldn't face tomorrow. He knew Christ lives, but had only fear. He knew that Christ holds the future, but he did not think life was worth living.

What we thought was the promise of God fell short. We thought that the promise of God was that one would not fall away. That in our time of deepest need, God would give them strength. That death would not win.

The promise of God is not that life will be OK, but that He is with us and is making all things new. The hope of Christ allows us to still sing it.

Jesus promised us that He came to provide life abundantly, but the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. That includes suicide. We as a church must stand together with those who are struggling to bring them to that abundant life.

You are not alone. You are loved by God and others. You have a purpose.
The Banned
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Prayers for any who read this and need it, either for themselves or someone they know
BartInLA
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I'm so sorry for your loss. Former professor with PhD in mental health and former psych hospital clinical director. I had a one-hour CEU on how friends and family can support those with suicidal thoughts today. Suicide is a PERMANENT act for what is almost always a TEMPORARY challenge. Of course the person reaches a point where they feel zero hope. Get them professional help and take life 5 minutes at a time. Don't leave anyone you know is actively suicidal alone. By the way, if all of a sudden they feel relieved and very peaceful that is a HUGE RED FLAG. They may feel good because they found what seems like the only answer - suicide. If they start giving away possessions beware. I could write 100 pages on this topic. Get them help. Get a no-harm agreement and be careful that you believe them and do it not just one day. Meanwhile try to see why they haven't acted on suicide yet. There is at least SOMETHING that keeps them alive - try to find it. Women attempt suicide about 3 to 4 times more than men but men complete suicide about 3 to 4 times as women do because the men use more lethal methods. Asking if they are suicidal will not give them any ideas about committing suicide. Beyond that I can't give professional advice without meeting a patient. God bless all who struggle.
BartInLA
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I'm very pro second amendment BUT if someone is suicidal keep them absolutely from guns. I have 8 guns by the way. 2/3's of gun-related deaths are from suicide. It is a cold chilling fact. Owning a gun comes with enormous responsibility. Just because they agree to surrender them doesn't mean they can never get them back. It is usually a temporary restriction so please don't let it get political. The single biggest predictor of suicide are former attempts but that is only one factor. Have them get morning sunshine and drag them to social functions. It's hard for me to stop typing on this subject.

Edit: Thank you Pro Sandy! GREAT POST
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Pro Sandy said:

If you have had suicidal thoughts, have a loved one struggling with ideations, or have lost a loved one to suicide, you are not alone.

Suicide is more common than you think. More people in America die by suicide than homicide, at every age group. Around 50,000 will die this year from suicide. More than gun violence, more than car wrecks.

We as the Church need to do more, and not just because September is Suicide Prevention Month. All human life is sacred and taking ones life is not God's design.

By design, the church does several things that help in the fight against suicide.

Community is a major protective factor that churches are fundamental in. Our modern society craves community, but feels lonelier than ever. The church is community. Be connected with your local body and reach out when someone seems isolated.

Proclaim Hope. We have the greatest hope of all, Jesus Christ. No matter what we face in this life, no struggle can take away our hope in eternity. Even Job struggled with this, he cries out that he has lost hope, wishes he was never born, yet still cries out to God for his salvation and to redeem him.

You have a purpose. Our society also feels they lack a purpose. Things like AI and automation can add to this. But we have a purpose, to love God and love our neighbor. To do the will of God. To proclaim His gospel.

We do those things well. Many churches struggle with recognizing mental illness. The people I know who have died by suicide or struggle with ideations dealt with mental illness. I've been in many churches that just say "you depressed? You anxious? Then you lack faith. You just need Jesus." If you have a mental illness, it isn't that easy. Learn about bipolar, PTSD, major depressive disorder, Lewy body dementia, and other mental illnesses that are common in our society and commonly contribute to suicidal ideations. We can help by stopping the stigma with mental health and treatment. We pray for those with physical ailments and take them to the doctor, we should do the same for mental ailments.

Being aware of warning signs of suicide. When someone is struggling, don't be afraid of the awkward conversation. "Are you thinking about suicide?" will not plant the idea in their mind, but give them an opportunity to ask for help.

If you have lost a loved one to suicide, I believe that Jesus weeps with us in our mourning. I also firmly believe that not even suicide can come between us and the love of God (Romans 8:35-39).

Reach out. 988 is 24/7. https://988lifeline.org/

My father-in-law died in 2023 by suicide. He had been suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness. It was short, only about six months from when we noticed a change. We fought for him, long after he stopped fighting. It isn't easy spending hours listening to someone tell you why suicide is the right answer and how they are fully convinced that the reason they need to die is so bad that even Jesus wouldn't love them while I threaten him with being arrested if he won't go with me to the ER. We must be willing to walk into deep dark places in this fight.

At his funeral, we sang "Because He Lives." The irony in singing it at the funeral of someone who died by their own hand because they couldn't face tomorrow is not lost on me. He knew Christ lives, but he couldn't face tomorrow. He knew Christ lives, but had only fear. He knew that Christ holds the future, but he did not think life was worth living.

What we thought was the promise of God fell short. We thought that the promise of God was that one would not fall away. That in our time of deepest need, God would give them strength. That death would not win.

The promise of God is not that life will be OK, but that He is with us and is making all things new. The hope of Christ allows us to still sing it.

Jesus promised us that He came to provide life abundantly, but the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. That includes suicide. We as a church must stand together with those who are struggling to bring them to that abundant life.

You are not alone. You are loved by God and others. You have a purpose.

Great post Sandy! Life is precious.
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The road is long for some. Longer for others.

"7 But whatever things were gain to me, these things I have counted as loss because of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss [a]in view of the surpassing value of [b]knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, [c]for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them mere rubbish, so that I may gain Christ,9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and [d]the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 if somehow I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already [e]grasped it all or have already become perfect, but I press on if I may also take hold of that [f]for which I was even taken hold of by Christ Jesus. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not regard myself as having taken hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. -Philippians 3:7-14
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OP, thank you for this post.
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