Silent For Too Long said:

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TeddyAg0422 said:

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Not that I'm aware of. May the Lord bless the holy father and all of us. What makes you ask?

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I just know a lot of Catholics feel many of his positions are heretical.

I honestly was just curious where you stand.

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That was more of a Pope Francis thing. Even traditional Catholics are cautiously optimistic about Pope Leo XIV

Silent For Too Long said:

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Severian the Torturer said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3589600

So...which is it, Catholics?

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John McArthur was right but not in the way that he thought.

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Personally I didn't like what McArthur said either. I'm a pretty big ecuminist at heart and feel quite strongly that we all have much bigger fish to fry. The enemy is at the gates in the form of godless, explicitly antichristian Marxism and we are bickering about which color uniforms we should wear.

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Not quite, many of us feel like the enlightenment, and it's nihilistic moral relativism is what created the vacuum that Marxism needed to thrive.

Protestantism is really best thought of as the enlightenment's foray into Christianity; there's a reason why they happened hand in hand.

The Apostolic Church has long been the best weapon against Marxism; which is why they immediately start killing Catholics when they kick off their red terrors.

Generalissimo Franco, Agosto Pinochet, Pope John Paul II, Sen McCarthy, Leon Degrelle, and for the orthodox: Nicolas Corneliu Codreanu and Ioannis Metaxas; all very successful anti-communist leaders/generals

The church with its hierarchy, its authority and its history is the natural enemy of Marxism.

Silent For Too Long said:

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What happens when marxists have infilrtratd your hierarchy and sit on top, which I think a pretty good case can be made that's exactly what happened under your previous regime?

So you think all other denominations are, what? Not true Christians? Heathens? Heretics?

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Even with Marxists having infiltrated our ranks, we still have protection of the Holy Spirit. Pope Francis (God rest his soul) did not teach heresy, he flirted with it out of a sense of Pollyannish navet, but he didn't teach it. And now we get to benefit from the reaction. The old liberals are dying off and the young clergy is overwhelmingly traditional. There are blue skies ahead.

Yes, I think all non Catholics or Orthodox are playing dress-up, sometimes quite literally, as when I see a liberal purple haired lesbian "pastor" wearing vestments clearly based off of the Church.

Silent For Too Long said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Gross.

American/Western Protestant Dispensationalist are the absolute worst and the single most ignorant people on the planet. Basically the same as a backward goat loving weirdo in Afghanistan just in a richer country.

I would rather try to find common ground with a Buddhist or Zoroastrian. At least those people aren't ******ed.

If you agree with Mike Huckabee you are a heretic and I don't believe you are Christian. You follow a different religion all together.

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Seriously? You honest think this is how Christ wants you to talk about fellow Christians? Really? You really feel okay about that?

If Christ was sitting here reading this along side you (He is) you feel ok with what you wrote?

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I have an opinion. I expressed that opinion.

I think American/Western Protestant Dispensationalist are the worst. They are in part responsible for large scale genocide and murder in the Middle East and do huge amounts of damage to Christian's in the region.

American Protestantism is undeniably linked with American Exceptionalism and has led us to go on Democracy Crusades.

Before we went into Iraq there were almost 2 million Christian's in Iraq. Today 90% of them are gone and the total population is below 200,000.

Our actions lead to local Christian populations being attacked as they are often viewed unfairly by their neighbors as extensions of Western Imperialism.

I don't hear too many Protestants nearly as concerned with their supposed "fellow Christians in the body of Christ" as they are the Jews, Third Temples and the " Super Duper Reddest Cows Ever".

Your Bull**** in general it's less than 150 years old and made up garbage that has real world consequences for actual Christians.

You may choose to overlook these consequences or say that there's somebody else's fault but if you do a lot of investigation and look outside of your bubble, you'll see there's a lot of truth in that.

Silent For Too Long said:

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Do you think Christ is ok with you calling Christians ******s?

I also love the church of crusades, inquisition, and covering up child rape is now brow beating other Christians on how they might be negatively effecting public perception of Christianity. Good God the lack of self awareness.

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You can be a Christian and unintelligent.

An example would be some one calling an obviously Orthodox person the Church of the Crusades (Orthodox Christianity and Christian's were one of if not the largest victim), the inquisition and covering up child rape.

"Good God the lack of GENERAL Awareness"

Silent For Too Long said:

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That's ignorance on my part, not lack of intelligence. EOs and Catholics are united on this thread so I don't which poster is which. Mea Culpae.

Let me see if I can redirect this back to your OP, because I truly want to understand. What is the EO position on Isreal/Modern Judaism?

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There is no official Orthodox position on Israel/modern Judaism.

Why would there be?

The orthodox has been confounded by the West's obsession with Isreal for the last 1000 years. Dating back to the Crusades we never understood the hubbub.

If you're talking solely about Judaism, I would say it's probably similar to Hinduism or Buddhism or atheism and that it is in error of rejecting Christ.

Silent For Too Long said:

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Do you think Christ is ok with you calling Christians ******s?

I also love the church of crusades, inquisition, and covering up child rape is now brow beating other Christians on how they might be negatively effecting public perception of Christianity. Good God the lack of self awareness.

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Back to this. What denomination of Protestantism are you?

I suppose it really doesn't matter as the point I'm trying to make is that all protestants combined are still less than the Roman Catholic Church alone by a pretty good margin.

I was going to question whether or not your particular denomination has ever been involved in a sex scandal, pedophilia, corruption, or is engaged in any form of violence against another group of people but we can just stick to all Protestants since it's still a smaller than the RCC.

Easy targets:

Cromwelian conquest and murder of Catholic Ireland.

The Thirty Years War

The Munster Rebellion (awesome story)

John Calvin calling for the arrest and execution of "heretics" that denied his brand of Christianity.

Sticking with Calvin, Dutch Calvinist, tortured and hung 19 Catholic Priest for their sole belief in the Real Presence in the Eucharist.

Whacky ass witch Trials in the US and Scotland leading to the torture of thousands of women and death of hundreds

Sex scandals

The largest Protestant group the SBC is currently still in the midst of a huge sex scandal.

"A massive investigation by the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News found that since 1998, approximately 380 SBC leaders and volunteers were accused of sexual misconduct, with more than 700 victims.

In 2022, it was revealed that SBC leaders had maintained a secret 205-page list of hundreds of abusive pastors for years. They allegedly "stonewalled and disparaged" survivors while claiming they couldn't intervene because each Baptist church is "autonomously" run." (Plain old pedophelia, rape and corruption)

Robert Morris (pedophelia)

That's recent. Much more like David Koresh (pedophelia) but no need to twist the knife.

Point being is that no group is free from bad apples. You just target the RCC because it is a unified and larger Church that all the Protestants put together that you feel free to attack because it's not you.

It's ignorant and dishonest to use that as an argument.

Silent For Too Long said:

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You are literally blaming the struggles of the EO in the Middle East on American Protestantism.

Also, the West kicked off the Crusades because the East kept getting it's ass kicked but the Muslims and begged for intervention.

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As mentioned in Chirac's memoirs and an interview with Prof Romer himself

Severian the Torturer said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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You are literally blaming the struggles of the EO in the Middle East on American Protestantism.

Also, the West kicked off the Crusades because the East kept getting it's ass kicked but the Muslims and begged for intervention.

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As mentioned in Chirac's memoirs and an interview with Prof Romer himself

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You are becoming one of my favorite posters

Severian the Torturer said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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You are literally blaming the struggles of the EO in the Middle East on American Protestantism.

Also, the West kicked off the Crusades because the East kept getting it's ass kicked but the Muslims and begged for intervention.

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As mentioned in Chirac's memoirs and an interview with Prof Romer himself

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American Protestants are the very furthest extreme of weird in the Christian world.

If you grow up in it, like I did, you just don't know it until you get out and do your own investigations and travel a bit.

I remember being stunned when a European Protestant Pastor/Preacher etc.. called Methodist and Baptist a different religion. I thought it was crazy at the time.

Particularly, American evangelicalism is nuts! Really think about this. For the most part, you have a bunch of independent "churches" that are left to themselves to interpret and teach their version of the Bible as they see fit. No upper authority, just "pastors" without a chain of command teaching whatever the heck they'd like to a congregation. Absolutely crazy

TeddyAg0422 said:

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Particularly, American evangelicalism is nuts! Really think about this. For the most part, you have a bunch of independent "churches" that are left to themselves to interpret and teach their version of the Bible as they see fit. No upper authority, just "pastors" without a chain of command teaching whatever the heck they'd like to a congregation. Absolutely crazy

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Yeah, it can start ok but it's always going to go sideways. It only takes one guy coming in to destroy a church

Severian the Torturer said:

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Silent For Too Long said:

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You are literally blaming the struggles of the EO in the Middle East on American Protestantism.

Also, the West kicked off the Crusades because the East kept getting it's ass kicked but the Muslims and begged for intervention.

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As mentioned in Chirac's memoirs and an interview with Prof Romer himself

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This is wild. Had to go find info on this:

The Core Incident
The account describes a phone call between President George W. Bush and French President Jacques Chirac. According to Chirac and other sources, Bush attempted to convince France to join the "Coalition of the Willing" by framing the upcoming conflict in apocalyptic terms. He allegedly claimed that "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East" and that the war was a divine mission to fulfill biblical prophecy.

Who were Gog and Magog?
Jacques Chirac, a secular leader in a strictly secular (lacit) country, had no idea what these terms meant. To understand the American president's rationale, his office contacted the French Federation of Protestants, who reached out to Thomas Römer, a world-renowned theologian at the University of Lausanne.

Römer explained that Gog and Magog are cryptic, apocalyptic figures found in:

The Old Testament (Ezekiel 3839): Where Gog is a prince from the land of Magog who leads a coalition of nations to attack Israel, only to be destroyed by God.
The New Testament (Revelation 20:8): Where they represent the nations that gather for the final battle against God at the end of the world.
The Theological Significance
In certain evangelical circles, "Gog and Magog" are used to identify modern-day enemies of Israel. During the Cold War, they were often identified as the Soviet Union; by 2003, some interpretations shifted the focus to Middle Eastern leaders like Saddam Hussein.

The Diplomatic Fallout
The explanation from Professor Römer reportedly horrified Chirac. He was already skeptical of the war's strategic necessity, but the idea that the President of the United States was basing foreign policy on an apocalyptic interpretation of the Bible solidified his decision to oppose the invasion. Chirac reportedly felt that if Bush believed the war was "willed by God," no amount of diplomatic negotiation or weapons inspection would ever change his mind.


On a different note I thought boomers just hated Russia because they grew up having to hide under desks.

I didn't realize Russia had incurred the wrath of the Protestants on "biblical" grounds. Not because they were killing Orthodox Bishops and destroying Christian Churches but because they might threaten the Jews.

"George, what are you talking about"