Support for Levantine Christians

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2:44p, 4/20/26
Seems like there has been a recent surge in highlighting them, among the likes of Tucker Carlson and those on what is now the fringe right. Although I am more frequently seeing some news outlets posting things that would have been ignored years ago. But I don't really feel as though they get much attention among mainstream Christians. Am I wrong?

In Lebanon, they're being pushed out of their homes. Same in the West Bank and Jerusalem. No one seems particularly bothered by it. Some even view their pain and suffering as a necessary sacrifice to bring about the end times.

Full disclosure, I am no fan of what Israel is doing, and this may be viewed as a political post, but I saw so many people trying to say this picture of IDF taking a sledghammer to a Jesus statue as AI and fake, or as Hezbollah dressed up in an IDF uniform. Then when the IDF verified it was true, they're saying that it's just a statue, it's no big deal.

Why?

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9:41a, 4/22/26
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It's that way, mostly in the US. Your mainstream Christian lense is Protestant.

Many Protestants have a very strange image of what they think modern day Israel is.

It's because Cristian Zionist and Dispensationalist are illogical, silly loons.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 11:58a, 4/22/26
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Agreed.

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A reasonable protty
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 11:59a, 4/22/26
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10andBOUNCE said:
Agreed.

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I did not say all Protestants. I appreciate you acknowledging the distinction.
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1:46p, 4/22/26
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I don't claim to understand the politics/military reality but the push for a semi-autonomous (at least) Druze state is perhaps a good thing for the remaining Christian population;

It's a really messy situation, on all fronts.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 2:04p, 4/22/26
10andBOUNCE said:
Agreed.

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Don't happen to be a preterist, do you?
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In reply to KingofHazor • 2:22p, 4/22/26
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4:26p, 4/22/26
Israelis have now arrested the miscreant soldier.
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In reply to UTExan • 6:59p, 4/22/26
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Israelis have now arrested the miscreant soldier.

Of course. It was caught on camera and is pissing off a lot of people at a time when support for Israel is at an all time low. I suspect, like most arrests of IDF, they'll be released without consequences soon.
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2:38p, 4/23/26
He's just following Hashem's commandments.
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You must completely destroy every place where the nations that you are displacing worshipped their gods -- whether on high mountains or hills or under leafy green trees. Rip down their altars and shatter their sacred stones. Burn their sacred poles with fire. Hack their gods' idols into pieces. Wipe out their names from that place. -- Deuteronomy 12:2-3

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6:23p, 4/23/26
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Druze are Ismailis who decided to worship a man. That's it. They're literally time capsule 1000 AD Ismaili Muslims who deified one of the Imams. Nothing special about them beyond that.

If Israel plants them in Syria and withdraws support (which they eventually will) the Druze will go the way of the Yazidis
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In reply to canadiaggie • 6:31p, 4/25/26
canadiaggie said:
Druze are Ismailis who decided to worship a man. That's it. They're literally time capsule 1000 AD Ismaili Muslims who deified one of the Imams. Nothing special about them beyond that.

If Israel plants them in Syria and withdraws support (which they eventually will) the Druze will go the way of the Yazidis

The same lineage of imams that the ismailis follow? They broke away along there and started worshiping one?

I did not know this. Was always a little confused by them.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 7:33p, 4/25/26
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bigtruckguy3500 said:
canadiaggie said:
Druze are Ismailis who decided to worship a man. That's it. They're literally time capsule 1000 AD Ismaili Muslims who deified one of the Imams. Nothing special about them beyond that.

If Israel plants them in Syria and withdraws support (which they eventually will) the Druze will go the way of the Yazidis

The same lineage of imams that the ismailis follow? They broke away along there and started worshiping one?

I did not know this. Was always a little confused by them.


Yep, up to and including Al Hakim. The Druze believe al Hakim became God. Their metaphysical beliefs are still very identifiably Ismaili except for reincarnation, which mainline Ismailism rejects
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In reply to UTExan • 7:59p, 4/25/26
UTExan said:
Israelis have now arrested the miscreant soldier.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1002501158797447/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
Wonder if all these people got arrested.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 8:11a, 4/26/26
I wouldn't be so single-minded about "support for Levantine Christians" as an ideological rallying point. Perhaps the nuances of contemporary Middle Eastern history are lost on this board, but the first high profile instances of externalized Palestinian terrorism-the hijacking of western airliners-were the work of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) created by Palestinian Greek Orthodox Christian George Habash who characterized himself as Marxist and whose goal was the extinction of the Israeli state, especially incorporating violence to that end. He was implicated in a 1957 attempt to initiate a coup in Jordan. And the multiple hijackings of western airliners in 1970 to the Jordanian desert orchestrated by his group almost wrecked the Palestinian independence cause.
The post independence constitution of Lebanon granted Christians de facto control of that country and were a chief causative factor to the Lebanese Civil War and the subsequent diaspora of Lebanese, despite Shia Muslims becoming a larger demographic. I won't even delve into the horrid Sabra-Chatila massacres perpetrated by Christian militias with the knowledge of the senior local Israeli officer, Ariel Sharon.
Nothing in the Middle East is simple; everything is connected to previous historical events and grievances and nothing will be sorted out justly until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge fairly among the nations.

I am hesitant take seriously Tucker Carlson on matters regarding moral clarity in the Middle East.
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10:37a, 4/27/26
The Byzantines and later various Muslim powers treated Jews in their own homeland as 2nd class citizens for 2,000 years.

Pretending that 20th century American Dispensationalism is an overriding factor in the complex nature of the region shows a profound ignorance of history.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 11:11a, 4/27/26
CrackerJackAg said:
It's that way, mostly in the US. Your mainstream Christian lense is Protestant.

Many Protestants have a very strange image of what they think modern day Israel is.

It's because Cristian Zionist and Dispensationalist are illogical, silly loons.


North Korea, Eritrea, Sudan, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, and Pakistan all treat Christians way, way worse then the jooooooooos do.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 4:43p, 4/27/26
Silent For Too Long said:
CrackerJackAg said:
It's that way, mostly in the US. Your mainstream Christian lense is Protestant.

Many Protestants have a very strange image of what they think modern day Israel is.

It's because Cristian Zionist and Dispensationalist are illogical, silly loons.


North Korea, Eritrea, Sudan, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, and Pakistan all treat Christians way, way worse then the jooooooooos do.

I guess you might misunderstand my point/question. And, even though you can find thriving Christian communities in all those places, you can also find Christian mistreatment. But still, your examples are arguably irrelevant.

American Christians aren't tripping over themselves to support anyone in those other countries, let alone anyone in those countries that mistreats Christians, steals from them, or even assaults them. People here quite literally send money to support the building of settlements that end up taking Arab land - Arab Muslims sure, but also Arab Christians.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 5:10p, 4/27/26
I think that much of this can be explained by Palestinian Christians tending to be:

1. Arab.
2. Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic. Only 5% Protestant.
3. Subscribers to Liberation Theology, with the baggage of being associated with Marxism and anti-Westernism.

Not a demographic that elicits sympathy from right-wing Evangelical Americans, even if they're nominally "fellow Christians".
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 7:54p, 4/27/26
bigtruckguy3500 said:
Silent For Too Long said:
CrackerJackAg said:
It's that way, mostly in the US. Your mainstream Christian lense is Protestant.

Many Protestants have a very strange image of what they think modern day Israel is.

It's because Cristian Zionist and Dispensationalist are illogical, silly loons.


North Korea, Eritrea, Sudan, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, and Pakistan all treat Christians way, way worse then the jooooooooos do.

I guess you might misunderstand my point/question. And, even though you can find thriving Christian communities in all those places, you can also find Christian mistreatment. But still, your examples are arguably irrelevant.

American Christians aren't tripping over themselves to support anyone in those other countries, let alone anyone in those countries that mistreats Christians, steals from them, or even assaults them. People here quite literally send money to support the building of settlements that end up taking Arab land - Arab Muslims sure, but also Arab Christians.



My point though, is, the very same people suddenly flagellating themselves over levantine mistreatment by the jooooooooos are mysteriously silent about Christian persecution in Muslim and atheist countries. Which is actually persecution. Jail time. Murder. Real bad stuff. Not random people defacing statues.

There is a clear and obvious antisemitic motivation behind this, whether you are cognizant of that or not.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 12:52p, 4/28/26
Silent For Too Long said:
bigtruckguy3500 said:
Silent For Too Long said:
CrackerJackAg said:
It's that way, mostly in the US. Your mainstream Christian lense is Protestant.

Many Protestants have a very strange image of what they think modern day Israel is.

It's because Cristian Zionist and Dispensationalist are illogical, silly loons.


North Korea, Eritrea, Sudan, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, and Pakistan all treat Christians way, way worse then the jooooooooos do.

I guess you might misunderstand my point/question. And, even though you can find thriving Christian communities in all those places, you can also find Christian mistreatment. But still, your examples are arguably irrelevant.

American Christians aren't tripping over themselves to support anyone in those other countries, let alone anyone in those countries that mistreats Christians, steals from them, or even assaults them. People here quite literally send money to support the building of settlements that end up taking Arab land - Arab Muslims sure, but also Arab Christians.



My point though, is, the very same people suddenly flagellating themselves over levantine mistreatment by the jooooooooos are mysteriously silent about Christian persecution in Muslim and atheist countries. Which is actually persecution. Jail time. Murder. Real bad stuff. Not random people defacing statues.

There is a clear and obvious antisemitic motivation behind this, whether you are cognizant of that or not.

While I have called out some of those countries on this board (or F16) in the past, it's still not relevant. How many of those countries do we give billions of tax dollars to? How many of those countries claim to be equitable democracies? Do you really think I'm going to hold communist China to the same standard as I'd hold Tawain to, in regards to protection of minority rights?

Again, if we're going to hold up Israel as some beacon of democracy and idealize it as what other middle east countries should strive to be, while giving them billions in our taxes each year, and while churches and Christians send them millions each year, do you not think we should hold them to a higher standard than we hold Somalia to?

And unless you think any criticism of Israel is anti-semitism, there is no anti-semitism in my post or intent.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 1:40p, 4/28/26
You are free to be critical of Isreal all you want, just be aware of the impetus for these stories.

You are disseminating propaganda whether you like it or not. CUFI, ICEJ, anc IFCJ are the three most prominent organizations that you seem to have issue with. They provide humanitarian aid and build bomb shelters. They don't fund joooooos kicking Christians out of their homes.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 10:30a, 5/1/26
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Silent For Too Long said:
CrackerJackAg said:
It's that way, mostly in the US. Your mainstream Christian lense is Protestant.

Many Protestants have a very strange image of what they think modern day Israel is.

It's because Cristian Zionist and Dispensationalist are illogical, silly loons.


North Korea, Eritrea, Sudan, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, and Pakistan all treat Christians way, way worse then the jooooooooos do.


I don't understand what you were even trying to say

I assume that you are unwell, or that you accidentally clicked on the wrong person's post as nothing you said, has any relevance to anything that I stated

We are all dumber for having heard that. May God have mercy on your soul
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11:36a, 5/2/26

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2347898802360253/?mibextid=CDWPTG
Hopefully this dude gets the book thrown at him. But it makes you wonder how much stuff isn't caught on camera that goes unreported, or never punished.

And of course, most Israelis aren't like this. Like most countries and societies, it is the fringe that gives everyone a bad name. But, unfortunately, most donations from the US are going to the fringe that insists on taking more land, and pushing out non-Jews.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 12:50p, 5/3/26
Nice plagiarism. How witty of you.

You understand perfectly what I'm saying. I spelled it out in multiple posts on this thread.

If it helps, though, you can ask AI to summarize it for you.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 12:52p, 5/3/26
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But, unfortunately, most donations from the US are going to the fringe that insists on taking more land, and pushing out non-Jews.


Gonna need some evidence on this one.
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In reply to bigtruckguy3500 • 3:29p, 5/3/26
bigtruckguy3500 said:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2347898802360253/?mibextid=CDWPTG
Hopefully this dude gets the book thrown at him. But it makes you wonder how much stuff isn't caught on camera that goes unreported, or never punished.

And of course, most Israelis aren't like this. Like most countries and societies, it is the fringe that gives everyone a bad name. But, unfortunately, most donations from the US are going to the fringe that insists on taking more land, and pushing out non-Jews.

If you show up in the Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) parts of Jerusalem on a Friday afternoon, you will find that streets may be blocked off to prevent the offense of driving on the Sabbath. If you engage in what they think is disrespectful behavior, they may confront you. Not much different than the hyper-observant Muslim areas, actually. But the Haredi are strange: they want the Israeli state to protect them and pay stipends to their theological students, but they refuse to serve in the IDF. Needless to say, this PO's the average Israeli to no end. A lot of the "settler" problems can be traced to the Haredi as well. We were in Nablus visiting the site of Jacob's Well and the Greek Orthodox church there in 2023, and you see two different bus stops; one for Israelis and one for Palestinians. All within easy walking distance to basically board the same bus.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 1:57p, 5/4/26
Silent For Too Long said:
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But, unfortunately, most donations from the US are going to the fringe that insists on taking more land, and pushing out non-Jews.


Gonna need some evidence on this one.

https://apnews.com/international-news-general-news-3bc3691a0e5c4e03a67197aa0d6bdbfc
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/23/crowdfunding-us-residents-fund-settlements-west-bank
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/inside-look-how-haaretz-tracked-flow-us-donations-israeli-settlements
https://www.notonourdime.com/

Just a quick google. Haven't verified anything. And perhaps "most" was an innacurrate term, as I suspect it would be hard to truly track all the dollars going where and to whom. Regardless, I do believe a significant amount of money does go to expanding settlements.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 3:52p, 5/4/26
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Silent For Too Long said:
Nice plagiarism. How witty of you.

You understand perfectly what I'm saying. I spelled it out in multiple posts on this thread.

If it helps, though, you can ask AI to summarize it for you.


You should try using it to create more cohesive arguments in the first place. I honestly had no idea what you were trying to say.
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 1:51a, 5/5/26
CrackerJackAg said:
Silent For Too Long said:
Nice plagiarism. How witty of you.

You understand perfectly what I'm saying. I spelled it out in multiple posts on this thread.

If it helps, though, you can ask AI to summarize it for you.


You should try using it to create more cohesive arguments in the first place. I honestly had no idea what you were trying to say.


Here, you seem to be having trouble finding this :
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My point though, is, the very same people suddenly flagellating themselves over levantine mistreatment by the jooooooooos are mysteriously silent about Christian persecution in Muslim and atheist countries. Which is actually persecution. Jail time. Murder. Real bad stuff. Not random people defacing statues.

There is a clear and obvious antisemitic motivation behind this, whether you are cognizant of that or not.


There. In plain English. Let me know if you are still struggling and I'll try to dumb it down a bit more.
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8:56p, 5/5/26
Looks like the Israeli Foreign Ministry is trying to build up its relationship with young Christians, bringing about 8,000 of them to Israel by the end of this year:
https://www.christianpost.com/news/israel-plans-to-bring-8k-young-christians-in-2026.html
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UTExan said:
Looks like the Israeli Foreign Ministry is trying to build up its relationship with young Christians, bringing about 8,000 of them to Israel by the end of this year:
https://www.christianpost.com/news/israel-plans-to-bring-8k-young-christians-in-2026.html

I feel like this isn't very new. I had a few friends in college who went on trips to Israel. One even came close to joining the IDF.

But it does make sense. Fill the trip with propaganda, get attractive idf to flirt with them, and convince them to send money to support them in their struggles.
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In reply to Silent For Too Long • 7:56p, 5/7/26
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Silent For Too Long said:
CrackerJackAg said:
Silent For Too Long said:
Nice plagiarism. How witty of you.

You understand perfectly what I'm saying. I spelled it out in multiple posts on this thread.

If it helps, though, you can ask AI to summarize it for you.


You should try using it to create more cohesive arguments in the first place. I honestly had no idea what you were trying to say.


Here, you seem to be having trouble finding this :
Quote:

My point though, is, the very same people suddenly flagellating themselves over levantine mistreatment by the jooooooooos are mysteriously silent about Christian persecution in Muslim and atheist countries. Which is actually persecution. Jail time. Murder. Real bad stuff. Not random people defacing statues.

There is a clear and obvious antisemitic motivation behind this, whether you are cognizant of that or not.


There. In plain English. Let me know if you are still struggling and I'll try to dumb it down a bit more.


It was plenty dumb. I was already astonished bit of you think you can beat it that would be a cool trick.

He asked why people are showing support. You replied to my explanation talking about "joooooos" and North Korea. As if those countries have anything to do with his statement or mine.

It was an ill timed and weird response.

Don't be so pissy…
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In reply to CrackerJackAg • 9:56p, 5/7/26
I honestly can't tell if you are pretending to be dense or are really this dense. Either way, I feel like you are thoroughly wasting my time.

Keep screaming about jooooos and Dispensationalists, I geuss. Really doing the Lord's work.
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