Bearing Good Fruit

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4:20p, 4/25/26
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Matthew 3:10 talks about trees not bearing good fruit being chopped down and thrown into the fire...

So, How do we bear good fruit in the eyes of God? Specifically, I mean..
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8:59a, 4/26/26
Love the question. short answer: you don't produce good fruit by trying harder. You produce good fruit by being made a good tree.

"A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit." -Matthew 7:18

So the question isn't "how do I act better"? but "have I been made new?"

Good fruit comes from:

1. Repentance and faith in Christ
John the Baptist says "bear fruit in keeping with repentance." -Matthew 3:8
Fruit starts with a changed heart, not behavior modification

2. Being connected to Jesus
"Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:5
No abiding, no fruit.

3. Walking by the Spirit, not the flesh
"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control..." Galatians 5:22-23
Fruit is evidence of the Spirit, not self-effort.

4. Obedience flowing from love
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." -John 14-15
Obedience is fruit, not the root

So bearing good fruit in Gods eyes isn't about stacking good deeds. It's about truly being saved, abiding in Christ daily, and letting the Spirit produce what you cannot.

Bad trees try harder.
Good trees bear fruit naturally because they've been made new.
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Colossians 1:10: to lead a life worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God.

Good deeds are the way we bear good fruit, according to Paul...
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In reply to barnag • 11:49a, 4/26/26
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barnag said:
Love the question. short answer: you don't produce good fruit by trying harder. You produce good fruit by being made a good tree.

"A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit." -Matthew 7:18

So the question isn't "how do I act better"? but "have I been made new?"

Good fruit comes from:

1. Repentance and faith in Christ
John the Baptist says "bear fruit in keeping with repentance." -Matthew 3:8
Fruit starts with a changed heart, not behavior modification

2. Being connected to Jesus
"Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:5
No abiding, no fruit.

3. Walking by the Spirit, not the flesh
"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control..." Galatians 5:22-23
Fruit is evidence of the Spirit, not self-effort.

4. Obedience flowing from love
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." -John 14-15
Obedience is fruit, not the root

So bearing good fruit in Gods eyes isn't about stacking good deeds. It's about truly being saved, abiding in Christ daily, and letting the Spirit produce what you cannot.

Bad trees try harder.
Good trees bear fruit naturally because they've been made new.

Amen.
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The short and easiest answer is to serve others. The more you put others' needs before your own, the more the fruit will come out naturally.
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In reply to barnag • 12:00p, 4/27/26
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This deserves more than a blue star. Excellent post
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In reply to barnag • 1:09p, 4/27/26
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"Bad trees try harder."

Maybe it is the definition of "try" in this statement that to me seems problematic. Because in Philippians 2:12, Paul writes that they are to continue to "work out their faith in fear and trembling" implying that there is no sense of being "made good" as you have written.

Maybe you can explain what you mean by "bad trees try"?
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In reply to barnag • 2:39p, 4/27/26
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Bad trees try harder.
Good trees bear fruit naturally because they've been made new.

I've always been confused by the inability to square this with lived reality of continued sin after coming to the faith. We all deal with sinful inclinations and either choose to indulge them or not. We all deal with good things we know we should do and we sometimes fail to do. Human choice in both scenarios is the lived reality. So either we do need to "try" in some capacity, or that "choice" we make is actually an illusion of choice that God makes us believe.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 2:45p, 4/27/26
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PabloSerna said:
"Bad trees try harder."

Maybe it is the definition of "try" in this statement that to me seems problematic. Because in Philippians 2:12, Paul writes that they are to continue to "work out their faith in fear and trembling" implying that there is no sense of being "made good" as you have written.

Maybe you can explain what you mean by "bad trees try"?

My two cents:

The way I am interpreting the "bad trees try harder" is that when we face inwardly and try to modify our own actions and behaviors to produce good fruit we are setting ourselves up for failure. It is not until we rest in the person and work of Jesus Christ that we are made new and are able to produce good fruit.

We are all wretched black hearted sinners in need of a savior. Jesus is our savior and makes us new. Once we are made new, we are able (and commanded to) produce good fruit.

I think the best illustration of this is Ephesians 2:8-10. If you leave off verse 10 (as many grace upon grace going protestants do) you do not get the full picture:

"8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faithand this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

Your salvation is a free gift from God. You are now a good tree. Now that you are a healthy tree you are commended to produce fruit. Salvation is first and is free. Sanctification is a process that we play an active role in and we must produce fruit throughout our sanctification process. Hope this helps.
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I think the idea is that God is not interested in our behavior modifications to try and please him, but a true change of heart.

Psalm 51:16-17
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 3:45p, 4/27/26
10andBOUNCE said:
I think the idea is that God is not interested in our behavior modifications to try and please him, but a true change of heart.

Psalm 51:16-17
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Can you do one without the other? Secular or religious, I'm not sure if I know of or have heard of anyone who makes significant behavioral changes without corresponding interior changes.
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In reply to The Banned • 4:20p, 4/27/26
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The Banned said:
10andBOUNCE said:
I think the idea is that God is not interested in our behavior modifications to try and please him, but a true change of heart.

Psalm 51:16-17
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Can you do one without the other? Secular or religious, I'm not sure if I know of or have heard of anyone who makes significant behavioral changes without corresponding interior changes.

Yes you can absolutely change behaviors in your life without any real affection towards God.

People all over the world go to church because they feel like they have to, not because they have a desire to meet with God or his people.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 6:11p, 4/27/26
PabloSerna said:
"Bad trees try harder."

Maybe it is the definition of "try" in this statement that to me seems problematic. Because in Philippians 2:12, Paul writes that they are to continue to "work out their faith in fear and trembling" implying that there is no sense of being "made good" as you have written.

Maybe you can explain what you mean by "bad trees try"?


Good point. I don't mean Christians don't strive, obey, or "work out" their salvation. Philippians 2:12 is true. But the next verse matters too: "for it is God who works in you…" Philippians 2:13.

So by "bad trees try harder," I mean trying to produce spiritual fruit from an unchanged heart, in the flesh, apart from Christ.

Biblical effort is real, but it is grace-fueled effort. We obey because God has made us new, not to make ourselves new.

So yes, work. Fight sin. Obey. Bear fruit. But the root is regeneration, union with Christ, and the Spirit's work, not self-powered moral improvement.

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9:10a, 4/28/26
Bearing good fruit is bringing souls to God.
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Trees blossom when they are bursting with life - they have no choice but to blossom.
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In reply to Howdy, it is me! • 9:14a, 4/28/26
Howdy, it is me! said:
Trees blossom when they are bursting with life - they have no choice but to blossom.

There becomes a point when we stretch the parable too far. We aren't actual trees. We aren't actual sheep. We're humans. Many protestants rightfully talk about a "relationship" with Jesus. Trees and sheep don't have "relationships". Humans do and every relationship involves choice.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 9:17a, 4/28/26
10andBOUNCE said:
The Banned said:
10andBOUNCE said:
I think the idea is that God is not interested in our behavior modifications to try and please him, but a true change of heart.

Psalm 51:16-17
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Can you do one without the other? Secular or religious, I'm not sure if I know of or have heard of anyone who makes significant behavioral changes without corresponding interior changes.

Yes you can absolutely change behaviors in your life without any real affection towards God.

People all over the world go to church because they feel like they have to, not because they have a desire to meet with God or his people.

But even feeling like they have to implies an interior disposition that they think there is a right thing that should be done. If they began to feel differently, they would act differently. People don't wake up and think "nothing about my thoughts, feelings or beliefs have changed today but I'm going to be a radically different person anyway". I don't see how that can really be possible.
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A fruit tree doesn't do anything to "earn" its sunlight, nutrients from the soil, water, etc. It freely gets these from God, and in turn, it does its job - it bears good fruit.

We are the same - We don't do anything to earn grace from God, but when we get it, we too have to bear good fruit. otherwise, the free gift is wasted....

Proverbs 14:14
A perverse man will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man with the fruit of his deeds.
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In reply to barnag • 6:50p, 4/28/26
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Okay, I think we are on the same page. I don't mean to imply that we can bear any fruit without the grace of God working through us. For all that is good comes from God ultimately.

Next question- what then does man's free will play in this "metanoia" or transformation of heart? I would say this is almost a daily commitment, not something once and forever.
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Next question- what then does man's free will play in this "metanoia" or transformation of heart? I would say this is almost a daily commitment, not something once and forever.

I agree...Our free will commitment to the Lord is a daily event, and meditating on the Passion of Jesus every waking hour, at least for a minute or 2, is the best way I have found to exercise my "faith" muscle...Jesus is the vine, and we are the branch, so apart from Him, we can do no good work that bears fruit...
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In reply to The Banned • 6:01a, 4/29/26
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The Banned said:
10andBOUNCE said:
The Banned said:
10andBOUNCE said:
I think the idea is that God is not interested in our behavior modifications to try and please him, but a true change of heart.

Psalm 51:16-17
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Can you do one without the other? Secular or religious, I'm not sure if I know of or have heard of anyone who makes significant behavioral changes without corresponding interior changes.

Yes you can absolutely change behaviors in your life without any real affection towards God.

People all over the world go to church because they feel like they have to, not because they have a desire to meet with God or his people.

But even feeling like they have to implies an interior disposition that they think there is a right thing that should be done. If they began to feel differently, they would act differently. People don't wake up and think "nothing about my thoughts, feelings or beliefs have changed today but I'm going to be a radically different person anyway". I don't see how that can really be possible.

Another Psalm in my reading this morning.

Psalm 40:6-8

In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted,
but you have given me an open ear.
Burnt offering and sin offering
you have not required.
Then I said, "Behold, I have come;
in the scroll of the book it is written of me:
I delight to do your will, O my God;
your law is within my heart."

The Lord is the one who opens our ears, and it all centers around our delight of doing God's will from a changed heart that is rooted in his law.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 6:11a, 4/29/26
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10andBOUNCE said:
The Banned said:
10andBOUNCE said:
The Banned said:
10andBOUNCE said:
I think the idea is that God is not interested in our behavior modifications to try and please him, but a true change of heart.

Psalm 51:16-17
For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Can you do one without the other? Secular or religious, I'm not sure if I know of or have heard of anyone who makes significant behavioral changes without corresponding interior changes.

Yes you can absolutely change behaviors in your life without any real affection towards God.

People all over the world go to church because they feel like they have to, not because they have a desire to meet with God or his people.

But even feeling like they have to implies an interior disposition that they think there is a right thing that should be done. If they began to feel differently, they would act differently. People don't wake up and think "nothing about my thoughts, feelings or beliefs have changed today but I'm going to be a radically different person anyway". I don't see how that can really be possible.

Another Psalm in my reading this morning.

Psalm 40:6-8

In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted,
but you have given me an open ear.
Burnt offering and sin offering
you have not required.
Then I said, "Behold, I have come;
in the scroll of the book it is written of me:
I delight to do your will, O my God;
your law is within my heart."

The Lord is the one who opens our ears, and it all centers around our delight of doing God's will from a changed heart that is rooted in his law.

Love that.
Goes along with Jeremiah 31 33
"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time" declares the Lord. " I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God and they will be my people".
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I firmly believe that once you are justified, or born again, you can't help but produce good fruit. His laws have been inscribed on your heart.
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In reply to dermdoc • 7:39a, 4/29/26
dermdoc said:
I firmly believe that once you are justified, or born again, you can't help but produce good fruit. His laws have been inscribed on your heart.

Amen doc.

And 10andBOUNCE thank you for this verse.
I prayed this morning for the Lord to allow me to DELIGHT to do His will.
Wow, how many of us actually delight to do His will? Something to think about and meditate on.
My flesh wants to do my will and what I think is good for me all the time...


Psalm 40:6-8

In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted,
but you have given me an open ear.
Burnt offering and sin offering
you have not required.
Then I said, "Behold, I have come;
in the scroll of the book it is written of me:
I delight to do your will, O my God;
your law is within my heart."
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In reply to dermdoc • 7:46a, 4/29/26
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dermdoc said:
I firmly believe that once you are justified, or born again, you can't help but produce good fruit. His laws have been inscribed on your heart.

I agree with you. The most terrifying thing to me is what happens if I fall off and return to my sinful ways? I do not want to do this at all but am absolutely terrified that just as quickly as my life was changed by the grace of God, I could return back to my old ways. Not that I would be forsaken by God, but that the flesh and the enemy would win for a period of time. Scares me more than anything else.
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In reply to Maximus Johnson • 7:52a, 4/29/26
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Paul struggled with this very thing, as will we.

Someone gave the illustration during Sunday School last week that we are kind of like someone using yo-yo while going up stairs. We no doubt have a bit of volatility in our spiritual lives or sanctification from day to day or season to season, but the stairs show us that overall we are making progress in becoming more Christ-like.
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Completely agree with you. There are times I feel like I am walking step-by-step with the Lord. There are times I have to make the decision to walk with him.

Playing off your stars analogy from the earlier post: I am scared that I will fall completely down the stairs.

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Maximus Johnson said:
Completely agree with you. There are times I feel like I am walking step-by-step with the Lord. There are times I have to make the decision to walk with him.

Playing off your stars analogy from the earlier post: I am scared that I will fall completely down the stairs.



I call it my "sweet spot" when I am on rhythm with the Spirit. And it is wonderful.
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Maximus Johnson said:
Completely agree with you. There are times I feel like I am walking step-by-step with the Lord. There are times I have to make the decision to walk with him.

Playing off your stars analogy from the earlier post: I am scared that I will fall completely down the stairs.



Naw, the yo-yo is on (in) the hand of God; it's ultimately not going anywhere away from Him. His hand is steady and we are attached. We may move up and down, closer to and farther away from Him, but still always with Him.
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Completely agree with you. There are times I feel like I am walking step-by-step with the Lord. There are times I have to make the decision to walk with him.

Playing off your stars analogy from the earlier post: I am scared that I will fall completely down the stairs.


Scrupulosity is something I've never dealt with, so I don't have much advice, but I would highly recommend doing some research into how to combat it. There are tons of people who dealt with the same thing and no longer suffer from it. I'll pray for you.
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You know, I'm not gonna lie and say I've never looked at the Hotties page in the Zoo during football season. It is something I will be working on my whole life. For those of you forever saved- amen!

Then there are the curse words that occasionally slip out, especially when I'm in a hurry and traffic is backed up. Again, those of you that have forever stopped doing that- amen!

I'm a work in progress and I do not in anyway feel "made good" until I stand before God having finished the race. That is not some scrupulous way of looking at myself- just an honest take on how far I have to go. I am thankful for a loving merciful God, slow to anger.
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Trust in Jesus completely. Ask Him to change your heart and your mind to His will only.

Repeat as necessary (for me, ALL THE TIME!)
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How does one 'bear fruit?"

15 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.

  • Fruit is a product of abiding in Christ vs something we manufacture on our own
  • What does it mean to abide in Christ?
  • A branch drinks the life out of the vine and just 'holds on"
  • Consider the story of Mary and Martha. Martha was serving Jesus in the flesh and failing at what mattered the most. Mary had chosen the best part and was at Jesus' feet.
  • We too can serve Jesus and fail to chose the best parts when we are distracted, serve with wrong motives (his glory/fame vs duty/obligation-desire to earn or prove our worth), not dependent upon Him.

1 Peter 4:11 Whoever speaks, is to do so as one who is speaking the utterances of God; whoever serves is to do so as one who is serving by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever.
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In a very Ian Malcolm type of voice...

We are the branches...Jesus is the vine where the branches get their life from...God the father is the vinedresser...

How is it that the actual branches initiate anything in their spiritual life, other than an overflow from the vine and the work of the vinedresser?

Signed,
A confused Calvinist

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